Recent video of Elizaveta Tuktamysheva practising 3A

[mskater93]

Meite is, IMO, but simply not getting credit for it. She could be training a 3A, but it's almost pointless as the judges will still hold her back on PCS, even though she has improved over the years. She has a certain style that fans love but the judges don't.

Meite was disappointing in person, TBH, and I have really enjoyed her programs when watching on TV prior. In person, she was skate from element to element and her speed slowed down quite a bit in her long program. Her SP was a bit better but there were long breaks for setting up the technical elements and this is what I believe the judges give her lower PCS for.

 

[anyanka]

An update from Lisa:
http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1026451268.html

In short she says that she is continuing to practise her 3A and though she is happy with how it goes she feels it would be too much of a risk to include it at Euro.
She mentions that it is a sp she is putting 3A in along with 3T3T and 3Ltz. She is pleased that it has been much easier for her than she expected and compared to how it was a few years back.

I think it is a very wise decision. Lisa, stay healthy, injury free and can not wait to see you in Stockholm!

A wise decision for sure, but it would have been exciting to have seen it in competition. She would have had that edge over Radionova on the technical side, but it would have been a high-risk element. Go Liza!

 

[TheCzar]

It's highly unlikely at this point. She would need extremely high PCS to break 80 points. Her PB is 67.99 points at CoC. Even if you upgraded her 2A to a 3A, she'd only get about 73-74 points. She also won't get to 80 points with just a 3T+3T either. Her PCS personal best right now is 31.63. She needs to be in around the 35-36 mark and skate clean with a 3A and 3-3 (that's harder than 3T+3T) to potentially break 80. But instead of focusing on 80 points, she should simply focus on doing what she's doing at this point in this season.

Plus, apart from her TES, her components really aren't that strong. She has next to no choreography, half the time her moves don't look finished enough, and she's not as flexible as the other girls so some aspects of her skating will hold her back from that 80.

 

[Jammers]

If neither Mao or Yuna with their vastly superior skating skills including of course Mao's own 3axel could never break 80 points then someone like Liza who doesn't have the best speed or skating skills should never come close to 80 points either.

 

[Ophelia]

^Never underestimate the power of inflation and politicking...

 

[CarneAsada]

Assuming Liza is scored as she was at GPF 2014, adds the 3A, and brings back the 3Lz-3T, she'd have these jumps:
3A = 8.5
3Lz-3T = 10.1
3Lo = 5.61x (I think that was her SP jump, not the 3F)
Right now her jump BV is 8.2+6.0+3.63=17.83, this would bring it up to 24.21. At the GPF, her jump GOE was 1.90 - 1.10 + 0.86 = 1.66. Assuming she lands all her jumps well and her GOE is 2 + 1.9 + 1.6 = 5.5, her score increases from 67.52 to 77.74, just 2.26 shy of 80 points. Her TES would be 46.11, higher than Mao or Yuna ever earned. I think 80 is reachable if she drastically improves every aspect of her PCS. Failing that, she could skate that layout in Russia.

 

[Sandpiper]

An update from Lisa:
http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1026451268.html

In short she says that she is continuing to practise her 3A and though she is happy with how it goes she feels it would be too much of a risk to include it at Euro.
She mentions that it is a sp she is putting 3A in along with 3T3T and 3Ltz. She is pleased that it has been much easier for her than she expected and compared to how it was a few years back.

I think it is a very wise decision. Lisa, stay healthy, injury free and can not wait to see you in Stockholm!

Thank you for the update. It's good she's pleased with the progress; the 3A's inclusion can wait--Europeans is too early.

If neither Mao or Yuna with their vastly superior skating skills including of course Mao's own 3axel could never break 80 points then someone like Liza who doesn't have the best speed or skating skills should never come close to 80 points either.

But Liza can, in theory, do 3A, 3Lz-3T, and 3F in one program. If I had to bet on someone in the current field, I'll bet on her. (Who would you bet on?)

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I don't think Liza at the moment can do 3Z+3T reliably although I know she used to. It's a bit of a moot point that she used to, kinda like Mao having used to do 3-3 in her SP, but isn't able to with reliability now.

If I did bet on anyone, obviously it would be Liza because she's the only one in the field who has shown a clean 3A landed and has one of the highest PCS of the field (albeit not currently high enough to get 80).

Let's bear in mind that she has yet to crack 70 even.

 

[Meoima]

But Liza is just 17 so I have high hope for her.

 

[jkun]

If neither Mao or Yuna with their vastly superior skating skills including of course Mao's own 3axel could never break 80 points then someone like Liza who doesn't have the best speed or skating skills should never come close to 80 points either.

To be fair, Mao only had 3 triples, including her 3A in her short. Liza is definitely going to have four. Which four along with whether she can improve her performance skills, will determine if she can break 80. Remember, she is young and has a lot of time to mature her skating skills as long as her body can handle the jumps.

 

[karne]

But Liza is just 17 so I have high hope for her.

She turned 18 in December.

 

[Globetrotter]

Assuming Liza is scored as she was at GPF 2014, adds the 3A, and brings back the 3Lz-3T, she'd have these jumps:
3A = 8.5
3Lz-3T = 10.1
3Lo = 5.61x (I think that was her SP jump, not the 3F)
Right now her jump BV is 8.2+6.0+3.63=17.83, this would bring it up to 24.21. At the GPF, her jump GOE was 1.90 - 1.10 + 0.86 = 1.66. Assuming she lands all her jumps well and her GOE is 2 + 1.9 + 1.6 = 5.5, her score increases from 67.52 to 77.74, just 2.26 shy of 80 points. Her TES would be 46.11, higher than Mao or Yuna ever earned. I think 80 is reachable if she drastically improves every aspect of her PCS. Failing that, she could skate that layout in Russia.

I think the TES portion is not the issue. I am pretty sure she could reach the layout you proposed. The 3A definitely has to be in if you are thinking of hitting the big 80. The problem though is with PCS. Liza is still young, she needs time and discipline to improve the performance aspect. Neither Yuna, Mao nor Carolina got their PCS when they were 17. It took years of hard work. Liza at present has one of the better TR but she will need further refinement to get the deep edges and ease of speed which Carolina seems to have a natural flair for -> high SS scores. Choreography is probably her weakest area while her PE and IN will be something that can't be rushed. She is still a very young lady and you just can't expect her to become a Mao or Maria Butyrskaya overnight.

I do think that if she continues in FS and give herself time, she may be able to reach the level of Yuna or Mao in terms of PCS and coupled with a steady 3A and 3-3, the big 80 can be achieved. Just that it will not be today or this year.

 

[Meoima]

She turned 18 in December.

Time flies... oh how I miss her when she was just 12 with that 3A.

 

[Sandpiper]

Of course Liza isn't going to break 80 anytime soon. But in the long run, she could be the one to do it, because she has the strong technical base to build on. She would need to improve PCS, improve her 3F to add it in the SP, in addition to the 3A and 3Lz-3T, ect. I feel that a lady would need either 3A or 4T to break 80, and the axel doesn't seem to be everyone's strong point these days.

 

[Meoima]

^Agree, and who are exactly good at axel these days in the ladies field? I can only see Liza.
Adelina? :think:
So Youn in Korea is good as well but I doubt that she will train the 3A.

 

[Sandpiper]

^Agree, and who are exactly good at axel these days in the ladies field? I can only see Liza.
Adelina? :think:
So Youn in Korea is good as well but I doubt that she will train the 3A.

Alaine Chartrand and Mirai Nagasu train triple axels. However, they're both really UR-prone.

Any hope from the Japanese ladies to continue the tradition? (Seems like definite "no" for Kanako and Satoko though).

 

[Meoima]

Alaine Chartrand and Mirai Nagasu train triple axels. However, they're both really UR-prone.
Any hope from the Japanese ladies to continue the tradition? (Seems like definite "no" for Kanako and Satoko though).

Wakaba and Marin, but they're still too young and who knows if they can survive the puberty monster.
Liza is my biggest hope at the moment for 3A.

 

[Sandpiper]

Wakaba and Marin, but they're still too young and who knows if they can survive the puberty monster.
Liza is my biggest hope at the moment for 3A.

For someone more technically adept than I am: Any chance for Rika Hongo? Her axel doesn't look "scary" like the axels of Ashley/Anna/Gracie/Satoko/omgweneedbetteraxels. But it's not really big or impressive like Liza's.

 

[Meoima]

For someone more technically adept than I am: Any chance for Rika Hongo? Her axel doesn't look "scary" like the axels of Ashley/Anna/Gracie/Satoko/omgweneedbetteraxels. But it's not really big or impressive like Liza's.

I don't follow Rika enough to heard about the news of her practicing a 3A, though.

 

[Sandpiper]

I don't follow Rika enough to heard about the news of her practicing a 3A, though.

I haven't heard news of her practicing it either. Just wondering if anyone has opinions on her axel technique, and whether it's theoretically possible.