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I feel odd doing this because I just commented above you, but I do think the article is relevant. The interesting is this is the dark side of their success. It's not a mistake that Alina said this. She's already Olympic champion which means there will be no repercussions or negative consequences for the comment which alludes to a closely guarded secret. My guess is that Eteri has a cutthroat win-at-all-cost mentality. This is not healthy.
 
These articles and all the puberty talk really saddens me.
I wonder when/if ISU will decide to increase the age restriction. We have seen in figure skating (and in many other sports) where parents, coaches and media abuse children to get what they want. In tennis, age restriction rule has prolonged careers as well as limiting these abuses.

Though knowing ISU they probably think having 15 year old phenoms is a tradition of the sport and they will not move until something tragic happens..
 
The current world championships podium shows that you don't have to be anorexic to win medals. Let's talk again when one of Eteri's students can become world champion at 22 :coffee:
I think it's the beginning of the end for "Eteri era". Her juniors will slowly disappear in the moment when they become seniors and it's not even something new. She is producing one hit wonders that don't last for more than 2 seasons, but people still refuse to see the reality :dumb:
 
It’s like what Eteri said about the red coat girl. She didn’t let her eat. Why does this surprise anyone with the bodies of teenage jumpers. Puberty is their enemy and ends many a career.

Didn’t Yulia herself though say that this quote was misinterpreted and blown out of proportion by press everywhere outside of Russia? (Sorry if this has been answered previously, have not read through all 4,000 pages lol).
(And yes, I know Yulia required treatment for an eating disorder but I do recall her saying that this particular quote was just taken and twisted like crazy.)

I’m English, this would be like
“I don’t understand the expectation that all girls gain weight inevitably throughout puberty due to uncontrollable urges to snack, that is easy to avoid, simply watch what you eat! I’m growing at the moment and as such must be careful to eat well, so I limit unhealthy foods, I find it easy to do so.”

We all know that if Alina were literally not eating, she’d not have been alive to skate at Worlds, simple as that.
How WELL she eats, i of course cannot say. Hopefully she is getting the correct nutrition to stay strong and develop well without amassing deleterious weight gain and is also surrounded by those who stress that weight needs to be kept at the healthiest low for performance and safety reasons, and nothing else.
But yeah, that article on the face, it is laughable.
 
My only wish in all of this sadness for Alina, is that her parents take control of this dear girl. She should go home now and be coddled and nurtured by her parents. Show her that to err is human. Give her some tender, loving care away from the training and the ice. Poor darling....
 
Her quote is very disturbing. The fact that people are trying to contextualize it in a more acceptable matter shows how much negative body image and unhealthy eating over short term results has been normalized in this sport. In a sport where so many talented skaters have been affected by eating disorders, we shouldn’t be looking for ways to make what she says less alarming.
 
I’m wondering if any of this is true, and if the article’s translation to English wasn’t done properly?? Although I do believe that Eteri’s girls are all abnormally tiny (except two of them who aren’t even close to being the favorites ☹️). Why would Alina just say this outright, in public? If she did wouldn’t Brennan and Phil Hersh and others be all over this story?
 
The rationalizing everyone is doing here about a 15 year old saying she closes her mouth and doesn't eat is :rolleye: :disapp:.

I get it. You want to support good skating of young girls. You're a fan of Alina and other Eteri skaters and don't want to possibly believe that such great skating comes at the expense of the health of a vulnerable teenager. We don't know exactly what she meant, but I certainly find it troubling that she wants to avoid the consequences of puberty by not eating. Sure, no one wants to get fat, but developing breasts and hips is part of the process of being a teenage girl. Of course, everyone develops differently - slight, slow development is great for figure skaters, and more dramatic growth is bad for figure skaters, but your body should be allowed to develop how it wants to develop with a normal amount of nutrition.

Those of you who think someone with an eating disorder would not be able to figure skate :rolleye:. There have been PLENTY of extremely successful athletes with eating disorders!!! Duh! The assumption that the eating disorder only happens after they start to struggle is wishful thinking. Eating disorders are easy enough to hide or ignore, and then only admitting to having a problem or seeking treatment once you start to struggle. When you have an eating disorder, you LOVE your eating disorder. You think that you're stronger than everyone else, more in control, and better at what you're doing thanks to the eating disorder. Nothing is wrong with your eating habits! You're just stronger than everyone else, and that's why you'll be thinner, or prettier, or better at your sport, as long as you keep up with starving yourself as much as possible.

Not to mention that people with eating disorders are really really good at finding ways to get the bursts of energy they need to succeed or compete without "risking" weight gain. They're great at strategizing and planning their very limited diets for the maximum short-term benefit.

All of this is to say that Alina's, or anyone else's, competitive success is NOT evidence against an eating disorder.

And those of you talking about how liquid diets are perfectly healthy and nutritious - NO. Sure, even if you're getting all of the calories you need, nutrients, whatever - you're not going to be able to build a healthy relationship with food, which is pretty darn critical to being a healthy adult. Learning to have a healthy relationship with food and making intelligent choices for yourself without making yourself miserable or hating yourself for the occasional indulgence is something that happens as a teen or young adult, and you're not going to be able to do that on any type of extreme sports diet.

Sure, you can't eat whatever you want if you're an athlete, but extreme limitations like relying on meal replacements of any kind are going to inhibit your ability to develop a healthy relationship with food and have long-term negative consequences for your mental and physical health.

We obviously don't have enough information to know if Alina has or is extremely at risk for developing an eating disorder, but this kind of comment is definitely a concern, just like when Gracie made that comment about there "not being fat figure skaters" (or whatever it was, something like that). I'm disturbed by the number of Alina and Eteri fans who are obviously trying to rationalize why not eating or liquid diets could be fine and healthy. No no no.

I hope Alina was making a joke or something and that she has a normal, healthy diet that will allow her to turn into a normal, healthy adult with a positive relationship with food and eating habits.

ETA: And some of you are so darn literal about what anorexia is. You can be anorexic and still eat!!! You just eat really small amounts of food. And maybe sometimes you're "bad" and "overeat" and then you feel guilty and hate yourself for days afterwards. Eating pizza does not exclude you from having anorexia!
 
Julia suffered eatinf desorder when she was training for a half of year with Urmanov. Why you blame Eteri for that? What could she do?? It's her new doctor in Sochi should care about her nutrition. And if Julia really wanted to be competitive she wouldn't quit her coach to a non-successful one. It was her own problem.

You'd be surprised where the pressure comes from. In my case, it came from fellow dancers. I was always the fat dancer and I heard it from my peers more than my choreographers. When you're young and training to be elite at anything, there is pressure from all sides. Skating isn't cheap and she may be getting pressure from her Parents, I know I did. Remember the scene's in I Tonya where her Mother kept telling her how she sacrificed her life and worked 3 jobs to pay for her skating. That's a lot of pressure on anyone let alone a teenager.
 
Wow. Lots to digest here (:rolleye:pun intended)

I am not a juvinille dietician, and I dont even play on one TV. I have read Lucinda Ruh's book about how she didnt reach puberty till her 20s. I have read the stories about how Chineese Pairs ladies were kept out of puberty on purpose but until I see evidence, that is hearsay. Doesnt make it not true...just unproven.

I personally believe, and if any of you out there are licensed dieticians I want you to correct me, that young bodies of any sex need certain nutrients for healthy grown and development, as well as other foods for fuel. If someone has created a monster doctor that has developed an unhealthy diet perhaps with added drugs to create successful tiny figure skaters, and is using that "diet" , then that is called child abuse and that country should be banned from competition.

I hope that is not true and that these children of any country have access to good solid dietary advice. A body is like a house. You have to build it with certain materials...then you have to maintain it once its built, and fuel it all the while. Dieticians may disagree honestly on certain points, but it is my belief that the basics hold true.

As an aside, If my sport is abusing children by letting them jump before their skelatal structure can take the abuse, and before they themselves have the maturity to make a decision on whether to take the risk or not, then I have to look myself in the mirror and ask some hard questions...my wife wont even jump our dogs for competitive training until they reach a certain age. I personally seen many people die doing a sport they loved but each one was old enough to make that decision to participate....these are children folks......lets just make sure they are not consigned to some monster doctor for the sake of a medal..... :sad21:
 
I just have 3 things to say:

1. Save for a few, it seems like a lot of people don't stop think that the article in question is legit or not? There's no verifiable source to confirm that what is being 'reported' is valid, it is badly translated from its original language and a lot of things seem to be lost in translation. This could be fake news. Why are people already jumping to conclusions that Alina has eating problems?

2. I saw the ladies live at the Pyeongchang Olympics, up close even because I attended their practice session. Alina is NOT the thinnest out of of all the ladies there.

3. Akiko Suzuki, who used to be anorexic (and recovered) had written in detail of her experience with the disorder. She had clearly specified that when you have eating disorder and don't get enough food (to fuel yourself), you cannot jump or even do a full program because you have no energy.

Ask yourself a simple logical question: Alina has the most technically difficult and physically challenging program out of all the senior ladies this season. Could she have done the program as well as she did all season long with allegedly 'bad eating habit'?
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I find that many people are very judgmental of others simply for being different, or having a different attitude towards food.

In everything, there is a spectrum.

People who eat frugally will be just as shocked by the excesses of the other side of the spectrum, of almost 4000 calories a day of mostly junk, just as you are shocked that many of us eat more naturally harvested food that are low in calories.

There are many many groups of people who do not eat like oneself, whether one eats frugally or excessively.

Instead of judging others perhaps one can be more open minded and accept that many live well based on their preferences, and it is up to them to accept the consequences of their choices.

These groups include monks or nuns, such as these Greek monks who live 10 years longer than most, no cancer, no diabetes, no alzheimer's.

Obviously, they are not wasting away or dying like anorexics. They do manual work everyday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...bits-devout-Orthodox-priests-Mount-Athos.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-do-mount-athos-monks-stay-so-healthy/

They fast for 3 days, eat moderately for 3 days, eat whatever they want on a feast day.

Fast days and moderate days consist of fruit, vegetables and chicken or vegetables soup.

These are portions for GROWN men, young and old.

They are not the only ones. There are thousands of men and women who eat like this and living their lives peacefully, actively, healthily.

Actually it reflects more of an unhealthy attitude when one cannot accept that someone can eat drastically differently from oneself and thrive, living longer, better, healthier lives.

Eating 3 slices of bread with margarine to me is anorexia, this won't stave off hunger, or even 8 slices of bread adding up to 800 calories to me is anorexic, yet no one is raising a ruckus over Adam or his coach.

8 slices of bread with margarine can fill you up but offer almost zero nutrients. My definition of starvation is not only not eating enough to feel sated, but also not supplying one's body with essential nutrients.

One might care about counting calories, another about enjoying the taste, appreciating and balancing nutrients in the naturally colorful food (vs artificially, chemically flavored colorful "food" like M&Ms, fondant cakes, that is available everywhere) that one consumes.

I don't care about calories, I don't diet, I eat whatever I want, it just so happens that the food I like are mostly unprocessed, raw or gently cooked and very low in calories. I've never in my life had a "protein shake"...eeewwww..


No one knows what Alina eats, or if Alina is anorexic until it is proven that she is.

In her own words, she eats small amounts, she doesn't want to become fat, she thinks you don't necessarily become fat with puberty.

If a pint size girl like Alina is eating similarly, proportionately to the hardworking grown men like these Greek monks, that is perfectly fine by me.

One's perspective is always relative, someone's (Greek monk) normal diet is another's (typical Western person) deprivation diet.

I don't read any more to it than exactly what she said in her own words, and I certainly won't speculate about Eteri abusing her girls like Karolyi.

As for Yulia, I don't know if it's Eteri or her own family who is making her take these liquid meals. Even if it's a liquid with all the known nutrients,calories, protein, vitamins and minerals, there are lots of yet unknown nutrients and essential nourishment in naturally grown food that no manmade meals can substitute for.

That I concur is an anorexic diet, just like Adam's.

Everyone should try to get the most essential nutrients from the food they eat, and eat sustainably, healthily.

That should count more than counting calories.
 
I just have 3 things to say:

1. Save for a few, it seems like a lot of people don't stop think that the article in question is legit or not? There's no verifiable source to confirm that what is being 'reported' is valid, it is badly translated from its original language and a lot of things seem to be lost in translation. This could be fake news. Why are people already jumping to conclusions that Alina has eating problems?

2. I saw the ladies live at the Pyeongchang Olympics, up close even because I attended their practice session. Alina is NOT the thinnest out of of all the ladies there.

3. Akiko Suzuki, who used to be anorexic (and recovered) had written in detail of her experience with the disorder. She had clearly specified that when you have eating disorder and don't get enough food (to fuel yourself), you cannot jump or even do a full program because you have no energy.

Ask yourself a simple logical question: Alina has the most technically difficult and physically challenging program out of all the senior ladies this season. Could she have done the program as well as she did all season long with allegedly 'bad eating habit'?
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this thread surely has some dangerous information floating around...

it's a misconception, that it's impossible to do physical challenging programs with anorexia. Often people with ED will be extremely fit and have very good stamina - but only for a short period of time, until the balance tilts and they loose more and more strength. Often when the anorexia spiral totally out of control in a very short time or when they have to keep going with a relative 'stable' anorexia for a very long time.

it's also a misconception, that just because skaters occasionally eats a piece of chocolate on TV or social media, it means they don't have an ED. There are youtube videos of Satoko eating fatty meat and desserts on TV, she still under-ate in real life.

Kiira Korpi used to post photos of lots of healthy food - lots of fruits, vegetable, sometimes a brunch with good bread.In an interview she still explained, that during her competitive career she under-ate and that this was part of the cause of some injuries.
It's a misconception, that just because someone eat 'healthy foods' they can't be anorexic. You can eat healthy foods in healthy portions, or you can starve yourself while eating only small amounts of healthy foods.

Just because someone is not the absolute thinnest, doesn't mean they don't have an ED. Gracie was never the thinnest, still had an ED. At the same time, looking very thin, doesn't automatically mean that they have an ED.

Alina's statements are worrisome, but only she or her team knows, whether there is something serious behind this or not. Right now, I think people are justified to worry about her attitude towards eating, but should not assume, that she has an ED.

In no way, should people on this thread encourage young skaters to adopt the eating habits/ small food variation of monks. Those monks are adults and don't grow anymore. They also don't do extreme sports. Yes, monks to physical activity, but not on elite athletes level.

Fasting can be good and healthy for your overweight friend or an healthy adult, but you don't put babies or children on a fast. Neither should teenagers.
 
this thread surely has some dangerous information floating around...

it's a misconception, that it's impossible to do physical challenging programs with anorexia. Often people with ED will be extremely fit and have very good stamina - but only for a short period of time, until the balance tilts and they loose more and more strength. Often when the anorexia spiral totally out of control in a very short time or when they have to keep going with a relative 'stable' anorexia for a very long time.

it's also a misconception, that just because skaters occasionally eats a piece of chocolate on TV or social media, it means they don't have an ED. There are youtube videos of Satoko eating fatty meat and desserts on TV, she still under-ate in real life.

Kiira Korpi used to post photos of lots of healthy food - lots of fruits, vegetable, sometimes a brunch with good bread.In an interview she still explained, that during her competitive career she under-ate and that this was part of the cause of some injuries.
It's a misconception, that just because someone eat 'healthy foods' they can't be anorexic. You can eat healthy foods in healthy portions, or you can starve yourself while eating only small amounts of healthy foods.

Just because someone is not the absolute thinnest, doesn't mean they don't have an ED. Gracie was never the thinnest, still had an ED. At the same time, looking very thin, doesn't automatically mean that they have an ED.

Alina's statements are worrisome, but only she or her team knows, whether there is something serious behind this or not. Right now, I think people are justified to worry about her attitude towards eating, but should not assume, that she has an ED.

In no way, should people on this thread encourage young skaters to adopt the eating habits/ small food variation of monks. Those monks are adults and don't grow anymore. They also don't do extreme sports. Yes, monks to physical activity, but not on elite athletes level.

Fasting can be good and healthy for your overweight friend or an healthy adult, but you don't put babies or children on a fast. Neither should teenagers.
Thank you for saying this! Adam won nationals around the same time period he was restricting very heavily, so it is indeed possible to go through a very challenging program and still have an eating disorder. Is it healthy? No. But is it possible? Yes. Eating disorders have no specific "look", and you cannot play pyschologist online and try and diagnose a person based completely on their public persona.
 
I just have 3 things to say:

1. Save for a few, it seems like a lot of people don't stop think that the article in question is legit or not? There's no verifiable source to confirm that what is being 'reported' is valid, it is badly translated from its original language and a lot of things seem to be lost in translation. This could be fake news. Why are people already jumping to conclusions that Alina has eating problems?

2. I saw the ladies live at the Pyeongchang Olympics, up close even because I attended their practice session. Alina is NOT the thinnest out of of all the ladies there.

3. Akiko Suzuki, who used to be anorexic (and recovered) had written in detail of her experience with the disorder. She had clearly specified that when you have eating disorder and don't get enough food (to fuel yourself), you cannot jump or even do a full program because you have no energy.

Ask yourself a simple logical question: Alina has the most technically difficult and physically challenging program out of all the senior ladies this season. Could she have done the program as well as she did all season long with allegedly 'bad eating habit'?
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Answer: Yes.
Ever heard of adrenaline?
 
Russian speaker here. This is original interview https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sport...to_vydumki_Prosto_nuzhno_zakryt_rot_i_ne_jest
It's translated more or less correct but it's put out of context and blowed in proportions as it usually is done by media in chase of ideal clickbaiting. Considering whole interview, what Alina said, and some other sources - like what Tarasova and Arutiunyan said here
https://rsport.ria.ru/blog_rian/20180324/1134518720.html I can deduce some points. Most important are:

1) she is teenager - and they can't hide or control their emotions and what they say in public easily. Also they tends to have rather maximalistic outlook on things comparing to adults and due to lack of life experience ther are prone to make, think or say blatant foolishnes/naivety as well
2) Eteri group are prone to downplay any undesirable problems when they are making any public claims until it became impossible to hide. Let's remember initial claims about "insignificant" problem with Medvedeva's foot - claim was done when they knew about fracture already and she used painkillers to skate. Therefore, if Zagitova said about just mere "some challenges" due to growth spurt - most likely they are actually much bigger problems. Probably her nervousness and uncertainty came from that too - she probably had lots of falls/urs/jump hitches in last trainings. Only her first practice was reported by Jackie Wong as I recall - maybe others were worse. Tat, who've presumably seen latest practices said that too and journalist who was in Milan personally (second link) - said that they saw panic in eyes of Alina and Eteri even before FP warm-up.
3) aforementioned puberty problems couldn't not to bother Alina tremendously. Therefore psychological protection mechanism turned on - denial. Hence her rather harsh and blunt claim about not eating food to not to be fat. That is just spurted by emotions - I am sure there isn't any deep meaning. She just tried to convince yourself there that all is ok and her usual eating shedule will work as it worked before.

So all your theories about anorexia are.. not justified. At least at that point of time and by that clickbait article.
 
this thread surely has some dangerous information floating around...

it's a misconception, that it's impossible to do physical challenging programs with anorexia. Often people with ED will be extremely fit and have very good stamina - but only for a short period of time, until the balance tilts and they loose more and more strength. Often when the anorexia spiral totally out of control in a very short time or when they have to keep going with a relative 'stable' anorexia for a very long time.

it's also a misconception, that just because skaters occasionally eats a piece of chocolate on TV or social media, it means they don't have an ED. There are youtube videos of Satoko eating fatty meat and desserts on TV, she still under-ate in real life.

Kiira Korpi used to post photos of lots of healthy food - lots of fruits, vegetable, sometimes a brunch with good bread.In an interview she still explained, that during her competitive career she under-ate and that this was part of the cause of some injuries.
It's a misconception, that just because someone eat 'healthy foods' they can't be anorexic. You can eat healthy foods in healthy portions, or you can starve yourself while eating only small amounts of healthy foods.

Just because someone is not the absolute thinnest, doesn't mean they don't have an ED. Gracie was never the thinnest, still had an ED. At the same time, looking very thin, doesn't automatically mean that they have an ED.

Alina's statements are worrisome, but only she or her team knows, whether there is something serious behind this or not. Right now, I think people are justified to worry about her attitude towards eating, but should not assume, that she has an ED.

In no way, should people on this thread encourage young skaters to adopt the eating habits/ small food variation of monks. Those monks are adults and don't grow anymore. They also don't do extreme sports. Yes, monks to physical activity, but not on elite athletes level.

Fasting can be good and healthy for your overweight friend or an healthy adult, but you don't put babies or children on a fast. Neither should teenagers.

This sums up pretty well why we shouldn’t be speculating on this stuff. It’s very dangerous to make any assumptions about people we don’t know or have all of the information on. I would never suggest someone is or isn’t healthy. It may very well just add to that misconception list of yours. I agree no one should make dieting advice here but it’s crucial not to spread misconceptions like the title of the OP’s story or that having a smoothie is equal to not eating.

Most everyone has dealt with or will deal with someone else’s or their own ED. The last thing I can think of that would help would be gossiping.. It’s hard to get people to open up....it’s very easy to make them retreat :think:

It’s likley people reading this thread are facing these very issues. It’s why it’s so important to avoid spreading misconceptions and be very mindful of how we discuss these matters.
 
This sums up pretty well why we shouldn’t be speculating on this stuff. It’s very dangerous to make any assumptions about people we don’t know or have all of the information on. I would never suggest someone is or isn’t healthy. It may very well just add to that misconception list of yours. I agree no one should make dieting advice here but it’s crucial not to spread misconceptions like the title of the OP’s story or that having a smoothie is equal to not eating.

Most everyone has dealt with or will deal with someone else’s or their own ED. The last thing I can think of that would help would be gossiping.. It’s hard to get people to open up....it’s very easy to make them retreat :think:

It’s likley people reading this thread are facing these very issues. It’s why it’s so important to avoid spreading misconceptions and be very mindful of how we discuss these matters.

I said, people shouldn't assume that Alina has an ED just because of her one statement. I didn't say, that people shouldn't talk about the topic ED in figure skating. In fact, ED's are a widespread problem in figure skating as multiple skaters have stated and I can think part of why it seems to be so common (I don't know personally, but lots of skaters have said so) is because nobody talks about it and the problem is just ignored.

Edit: oh I think I misread your post. You're clearly stating that everyone should be careful how they talk about this topic, not that people should stop talking about it.
 
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