Sasha. Comeback. Believe it. | Page 10 | Golden Skate

Sasha. Comeback. Believe it.

Does anyone agree that 'hate' or 'gush' skating forums will have any effect on the outcome of the competition?

This thread is giving me no new information on when SOI ends and whether they are holding on to her while she rejoins them. When did/does her serious practice begin? Any spies at Lake Arrowhead checking her out?

two things we have to get knowledge of now:

Will the ISU accept her absence from figure skating as good reason for skating shows (Plushenko, too)? Will the USFS select her for SA, and will she want to risk the international competition before she attempts to win over the American field at US Nats.

I really do not want opinions, just a few facts. Yes? .
 
I'm sorry but this whole paragraph sounds completely fan-boy you "knew she was coming back" and have a "basic understanding of Sasha"?? Do you know Sasha? If not then i'm not sure how can make such assertions.

I can make those assertions because there are certain things I understand very well, after enough careful thought and in-depth analysis. It's like a logic puzzle. Each piece of information on the topic defines a sort of boundary. The result is unknown but is restricted and influenced by those boundaries. If you define enough of them, eventually the result can be pretty well predicted.

Whatever. I don't really care if anyone in the world believes it. Someone asked, I answered, it's the truth and feel free to discount it. Doesn't matter to me. I definitely don't know everything, but I know what I know.
 
i didnt miss th point, neither thought it was a hate comment, and it is natural people to have misbelief or worry about a skater coming back after three seasons, announcements have been made, now i wait october to see what happens, fingers crossed.
or you are not referring to me?

I was not referring to you...I was agreeing with you. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
I can make those assertions because there are certain things I understand very well, after enough careful thought and in-depth analysis. It's like a logic puzzle. Each piece of information on the topic defines a sort of boundary. The result is unknown but is restricted and influenced by those boundaries. If you define enough of them, eventually the result can be pretty well predicted.

Whatever. I don't really care if anyone in the world believes it. Someone asked, I answered, it's the truth and feel free to discount it. Doesn't matter to me. I definitely don't know everything, but I know what I know.
This kind of makes sense to me too. I don't think I qualify as a fan girl or even an uber but I feel like I have an empathetic insight into this particular aspect of Sasha (and probably little else about her -- we're from different worlds). Basically, it seems like she's been a bit lost since 2006. SOI seems like fun but not challenging and not the center of it all. Acting didn't work. She looked inward, realized that competitive skating is what she does best, what makes her feel most alive, and what she does better than most people, and decided she's not done.

I'm sure in time she'll find something else to excite her. She sounds like a very bright young lady (as in straight-A student - I'm pretty sure I read that). But for now, skating's still it and nothing else has replaced it. So like Particle Man, I always took the comeback talk seriously - I just didn't feel like arguing about it.

It's funny how some people always remember Tarasova saying Sasha baked cookies and went shopping (once?) but forget how in the same interview she called Sasha a little tiger who worked her butt off and was determined to win. She's a performer and a competitor. As much as I think she has a very high mountain to climb, I'd never underestimate her. She likes mountains.
 
......She likes mountains.
I always support comebacks. I can imagine that a comeback takes a lot of effort to regain your former level and a lot of courage to overcome the fear of adding negative results to your career.
I understand her comeback. It's the right thing.

I rather don't understand well enough her retirement in 2006. Looking from the outside, she had her mountain left for her to climb then. Or was she content, at the time, with her Silver in Turin ? Probably not.
She did not choose to do the same as the veterans sticking to their challenge ... like say Fumie.
There must have been an inevitable inner reason within her for not staying in the games, not climbing the mountain for that moment.
Maybe she instinctly knew she needed some time off to restore her motivation.

Though the three years' length itself is a mystery to me, she did come back to the right answer, IMO.
However late, that the point she didn't miss.
And the results may be of less importance to her... just my guess.
 
Last edited:
I rather don't understand well enough her retirement in 2006. Looking from the outside, she had her mountain left for her to climb then. Or was she content, at the time, with her Silver in Turin ? Probably not.

No, certainly not. Sasha is a perfectionist. But I've heard she keeps her medals in a shoebox. It's not technically about the medal for her but what the medal represents. She saw Torino as a failure and that was painful for her, she didn't achieve the perfection that she has always strived for but never reached, and basically it was "over" in her mind her after the fall & hand-down. She sees the silver medal as a "gift." But to her it was still a gift that represented her failure.

Personally, her Torino LP is still my favorite skate of hers. In just under 40 seconds her lifelong dream was crushed, but she still stood up and continued the brilliant expression of her music, showing great courage to continue on and present the worldwide audience with exquisite artistry, and the reality of her personal emotion at that time (for those of us who are fans) magnified the emotion of the program itself, making it something very special. I've speculated that the reason the rest of the Torino LP was perfect was precisely because the mistakes were so early and so devastating. After that first 40 seconds she had already given up on winning, which got rid of the nerves and let her off the hook, and the rest of the program demonstrates what Sasha could do if she were unburdened by her psychological issues. I just wish she could somehow reach that state of mind without first having to fall... we'll see if she's figured out anything new in the past few years.

There must have been an inevitable inner reason within her for not staying in the games, not climbing the mountain for that moment. Maybe she instinctly knew she needed some time off to restore her motivation.

From her recent statements, she is solely focused on the Olympics, and said not even the Worlds in her hometown of LA was enough to bring her back. I wish she didn't have that kind of Olympic tunnel vision. She is who she is because of skating. Her true talent is skating, not acting or whatever else. World gold is also a laudible goal and means a lot -- not only the Olympics has meaning. Another thing that means a lot is the beauty that she brings to the ice every single time. It means a lot to the fans everywhere who love her, and I wish it meant more to her without "The Grand Prize" being involved. (Insert cliched quote about journeys and destinations...)

Though the three years' length itself is a mystery to me, she did come back to the right answer, IMO. However late, that the point she didn't miss. And the results may be of less importance to her... just my guess.

Year 1: Licking her wounds, playing around with acting roles and entertaining the idea she'd get picked up for larger Hollywood roles (which was plausible)
Years 2&3: Stars on Ice and some of the above.

I don't know if the contract she signed with SoI was originally multiple-year, or if she later decided to sign for a 2nd year independently. Most people agree that it seemed that 2 years off would have been the realistic maximum, not 3, including her long-time coach John Nicks. Returning in 08/09 made a lot of sense since it would have given her a full season to get back into gear for the subsequent Olympic season, and would have also culminated in her skating at Worlds in her hometown (which she listed as a major "life goal.") As much as I do understand about Sasha, her ditching 08/09 is still mostly a mystery to me, and in the absence of evidence I can only guess. I've speculated that one possible influence could have been Scott Hamilton, that given his longtime history of plugging his SoI skaters during commentary (ostensibly for his own monetary benefit) he deliberately fed Sasha bad advice, telling her to wait (even though as a champion skater he would very well know it was a bad idea) so he could cash in with another year of her headlining SoI. People REALLY don't like when I speculate that. That's too bad. :rofl:
 
well, we are back to gush and bash.

No one has real factual info on Sasha. Is that correct?

is anyone in the Lake Arrowhead area and can get to see practice, and that Rafael is happy with her?

Has the ISU given any ok to be exempt fom the rule which would prevent her from GP competition?

Has she said anything about doing SA if and only if the ISU approves it?

Does anyone know if the USFS will have her at SA? (no opinion - fact only)

I really think, this case for Sasha is a wait and see for SA. She should not have any problems with US Nats and if she does well there, she will be in Vancouver.
 
well, we are back to gush and bash.

No one has real factual info on Sasha. Is that correct?

is anyone in the Lake Arrowhead area and can get to see practice, and that Rafael is happy with her?

Has the ISU given any ok to be exempt fom the rule which would prevent her from GP competition?

Has she said anything about doing SA if and only if the ISU approves it?

Does anyone know if the USFS will have her at SA? (no opinion - fact only)

all we know is that Cohen officially announced her intentions for next season

she starts her official training in the beginning of June (after allowing a foot injury to heal)

her coach is Arutunian

and according to Raith it's probable that she'd wind up with an SA assignment

as for everything else, purely speculation.

I really think, this case for Sasha is a wait and see for SA. She should not have any problems with US Nats and if she does well there, she will be in Vancouver.

That's it. That's all. You said it there. WAIT and SEE. Nothing else we can do at this point, except argue and bicker.
 
Last edited:
For the most part I think there has been some very good conversations here. Speculation is a good thing ... so why not here?
 
I agree with most of what you said Particle Man. Making her comeback this past season would have been to great advantage. She could have won Nationals quite easily, and with Mao's less than stellar performances at worlds could have even medaled.
But in order for her to do that she would have had to been commited to coming back at this time (or sooner) in 2008 and I don't think she was phyiscally or mentally ready back then. I think that back then, spring of 2008 she was not seriously considering coming back.
I am just happy that she has decided that now, and can't wait to see her beautiful skating again. I re-watched her olympic performances this afternoon and both made me burst out in tears, for different reasons. None of the ladies comepting now, whatever jumps they can do can bring that kind of emotional reaction.

don't know if anybody read this yet, posted on her website:

A Q&A with Sasha

May 9 , 2009

Sasha’s teleconference announcing her decision to return to competitive skating and her goal of competing in her third straight Olympics:

Q: What made you want to compete again?
Sasha: I realized how much I had missed competitive figure skating, and felt I had one more Olympics in me. The challenge, being on an Olympic platform, competing for the whole world and showing them what you have trained your whole life for is magical. I still feel I have a lot left in me I can improve upon and be an even better skater than I was the last two Games.

Q: What excites you about the possibility of returning to the Olympics?
Sasha: I'm just really excited to have this purpose in my life again. I love the whole tidal wave that comes, pushing you into the Olympic Games. I love the way America supports its athletes and I love the way everyone loves to watch figure skating in the Olympics. This whole magic behind the Olympic Games is just absolutely incredible.

Q: How are you feeling coming back into competitive skating?
Sasha: I've been excited. Every day it's closer and real, so it's very exciting to me.

Q: Why did you take time off?
Sasha: I felt very burned out after 2006. I took a break and realized how special skating is for me. How it defined me and gave me a sense of purpose and how I love to perform for people. Coming back this year I feel very fresh. It feels like my first Olympics, my first nationals and I'm so excited to be back. I know I would regret it if I didn't come back and challenge myself.

Q: Do you think you can compete with the younger U.S. and international skaters”
Sasha: We have a lot young great skaters coming up at the U.S. level and no one is really dominating right now. My decision wasn't factored into that. There are amazing skaters out there in the world, technically and artistically. It's great though because the great skaters bring out the best of you. I'm excited by the challenge. I'm really happy with how my skating is going. I feel confident I can come up to that level.

Q: How difficult will be to get to the Olympics?
Sasha: I'm thinking big. I'm demanding a lot from myself. This is what I really want to do and the fear of failure is not going to stop me from trying. This is my last chance to do something like this again and I didn't want it to pass me by.

Q: What made you make the decision now?
Sasha: I hate being a person who talks and talks but doesn't act. It just came time to make a decision and I felt really strong about this. I am excited.

Q: Can you get back into competitive shape like the past?
Sasha: Everyone is so individual. It is all about having that drive to accept the challenge. I can't tell you what is going to happen but this is what I want to do and fear of failure isn't going to stop me from trying.

Q: Has much changed since you last competed?
Sasha: The system has changed a bit, but ultimately you do your program and you do it well. I am going to try and show as many of my strengths as possible.

Q: When will begin full-time training?
Sasha: I am going to go home and take two weeks off, and I will be fine. I feel so lucky because I have dealt with much more serious injuries in the past like back problems so this is minor in comparison.

Q: Any second-guessing in making your decision?
Sasha: I missed having a challenge to step up to and say, Am I capable of this? Can I do this? What are my limits? What can I become? I know I would regret so much if I didn't come back and challenge myself and see what I can do. I’d like to thank everyone for their faith and support in me. Yes, there are a lot of great skaters right now, but this is more of a personal thing for me. I miss the challenge and I miss that part of my life.
 
Last edited:
Making her comeback this past season would have been to great advantage...But in order for her to do that she would have had to been commited to coming back at this time (or sooner) in 2008 and I don't think she was phyiscally or mentally ready back then. I think that back then, spring of 2008 she was not seriously considering coming back.

Well again -- after the '06 Olympics, after she had resolved to take a break from competitive skating, she stated in a letter to her fans that the '09 Worlds in LA was "one of her major life goals" in a short list along with the '10 Olympics. Sometime between then and the start of the 08/09 season she either lost interest in anything but the Olympics, or decided something else was more important to her than LA Worlds. Whether it was the contract with SoI, or hoping for some acting roles she never got / never took, or physical or psychological reasons, we don't really know.

I just don't get it. And in retrospect, there was even yet another reason she should have competed in 08/09 -- earning the 3rd Olympic spot which theoretically she might end up needing.
 
I just don't get it. And in retrospect, there was even yet another reason she should have competed in 08/09 -- earning the 3rd Olympic spot which theoretically she might end up needing.
Seemingly it didn't come to her mind, but we know there's no guilt in using one of the two spots this season ... if she really gets it, that is. ... Her result in Worlds 06 helped US earn the three spots in Worlds 07.
If Sasha proves to be a frontrunner again, it would be a good thing if she also went to Turin one more time to help earn 3 spots for the youngers before leaving.
Fortunate or not, there seems to be aspects that aren't personal in this sport.
 
Last edited:
I rather don't understand well enough her retirement in 2006. Looking from the outside, she had her mountain left for her to climb then. Or was she content, at the time, with her Silver in Turin ? Probably not.
She did not choose to do the same as the veterans sticking to their challenge ... like say Fumie.
There must have been an inevitable inner reason within her for not staying in the games, not climbing the mountain for that moment.
Maybe she instinctly knew she needed some time off to restore her motivation.

My speculation on the break after Torino was that Sasha was physically and emotionally spent - she was running on empty at worlds and would likely have preferred to not attend. I think Athletes at all levels go through a lot when they win a silver medal but had real hopes for the gold. Michelle has talked about it, Sasha has talked about it and i think initially it's crushing that you put yourself through the rigours of training and competing for four years and at the end of it you have 6-7mins on the ice to determine the outcome. Both have said that you can't let that medal define the outcome of the hard work. The hard work is exactly that and no-one can take that away even if you are less than perfect in the final skate.

I think Sasha would have benefited from giving herself the pre Olympic year as a tune up to the Olympic season, but maybe doing that would have led to the same kind of emoitnal burn out she had in the last Olympic season.

Maybe she sat down and did a balancing exercise of the pros and cons of comnig back a year earlier and decided that the cons outweighed the pros so (going from articles) it was better to start ramping up the training out of the competitive glare and hit the ground running for the Olympic season.

The thing i'd be most interested to see is training clips like we've seen of Pluschenko.

Ant
 
Has the ISU given any ok to be exempt fom the rule which would prevent her from GP competition?

Joe you've mentioned this a few times but i don't know the rule yo're talking about - there is nothing to stop Sasha being picked by USFSA as their "host pick" for SA. Other than that the reason Sahsa cannot compete on the GP is because she wasn't at worlds last year and isn't on the SB list because she didn't compete last season.

Ant
 
Last edited:
I wanted to ask yesterday, the rule that hosting federation can invite one of its skaters that doesnt belong in other categories, like plushenko or sasha, is it somewhere written?
off topic
The thing i'd be most interested to see is training clips like we've seen of Pluschenko. Ant
I can live with you not liking him, but do you have to spell his name always wrong?:p
 
Last edited:
I can live with you not liking him, but do you have to spell his name always wrong?:p
Is it even possible to spell his name correctly with our letters? Wouldn't e.g. be Plyushtshenko much closer to the real name? I know that the official English transcription is Plushenko, but at the end of the day it's a matter of interpretation.
 
Can Sasha get two Grand-Prix events? Is it possible?

I don't think she is eligible for 2 gp events for that matter any GP event. It is more likely US inviting her for third US spot at the Skate America Championships, if they don't, i think she won't be able to compete at GPs.

I don't think she will be such a factor at olympics and i think NBC will be happy if she just compete at some US competitions, Nationals and then at Olympics, this will be perfect opportunity for the likes of Sandra Bezic to create great hype around her (hence more rating). if she competes internationally i don't think she will medal and all media game will be wrecked.
 
I can live with you not liking him, but do you have to spell his name always wrong?:p

I thought most Russian transliterations were inaccurate? I once asked how to spell his name years ago and a Russian friend suggested the spelling i currently use.

Ant
 
Back
Top