Satoko Miyahara

[Maria Victoria]

Link to a review of the 2015 GPF by one of my favorite figure skating bloggers. For her, Satoko's SP and LP were among the highlights of the competition. She thinks Jeffrey Buttle is a good match for Satoko's style.

https://rinksidecafe.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/debrief-grand-prix-final-2015-part-i/

 

[ioanna]

Link to a review of the 2015 GPF by one of my favorite figure skating bloggers. For her, Satoko's SP and LP were among the highlights of the competition. She thinks Jeffrey Buttle is a good match for Satoko's style.

https://rinksidecafe.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/debrief-grand-prix-final-2015-part-i/

That happens to be one of my least favorite bloggers because most of the time I never share her opinions (and then the content in her post about Tatsuki Machida's retirement was unnecessary) but I'm glad there's someone who agrees that Satoko has great skating skills and she's reaching out to the audience this season. I don't agree that Marina Zueva should choreograph for her but yes, Jeffrey Buttle did a great job with her EX program Pennies from Heaven.

 

[Maria Victoria]

That happens to be one of my least favorite bloggers because most of the time I never share her opinions (and then the content in her post about Tatsuki Machida's retirement was unnecessary) but I'm glad there's someone who agrees that Satoko has great skating skills and she's reaching out to the audience this season. I don't agree that Marina Zueva should choreograph for her but yes, Jeffrey Buttle did a great job with her EX program Pennies from Heaven.

Well at least in appreciation of Satoko's skating both of you share common ground.

Re her post on Tatsuki's retirement, as a Tatsuki fan I don't agree with her critical comments there, but I appreciate her statement that he has grown on her and that in the end she has come to respect him and will "miss his exuberance and artistry on ice."

 

[ioanna]

Look who is Yuna Shiraiwa's hero.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbBNt9VWEAA9xCm.png:large

 

[Tyranid]

Satoko and Midori are from two completely different worlds when it comes to jumps.

IIRC Midori Ito was:

1. The first woman in history to complete a 7 triple jump LP. (current technical standard)
2. The first woman in history to do a 3-3 combo (3T-3T) (current technical standard)
3. The first woman in history to land a triple Axel (not a current tech. standard, but might become one in the future ala. men's quad rush)

 

[Tyranid]

Satotko Miyahara is a fearsome competitor, though. IMO she poses a greater threat to the Russian girls than Mao because she has a greater chance to skate 2 clean programs. I just hope that future competitions are judged fairly have some damn logic to them in terms of judging.

edit: the ... crossing out the text doesn't work for some reason

 

[ioanna]

Satoko and Midori are from two completely different worlds when it comes to jumps.

IIRC Midori Ito was:

1. The first woman in history to complete a 7 triple jump LP. (current technical standard)
2. The first woman in history to do a 3-3 combo (3T-3T) (current technical standard)
3. The first woman in history to land a triple Axel (not a current tech. standard, but might become one in the future ala. men's quad rush)

Nobody compared Satoko to Midori here, Satoko said she looks up to Midori and I thought the reason was that even if Midori was small, her jumps were big and powerful and this is something Satoko wishes she could have. In every interview she gives, Satoko keeps repeating that she is not satisfied with her jumps and is always working very hard to gain more power in her skating, thus jumping higher.

 

[ioanna]

Satotko Miyahara is a fearsome competitor, though. IMO she poses a greater threat to the Russian girls than Mao because she has a greater chance to skate 2 clean programs. I just hope that future competitions are judged fairly have some damn logic to them in terms of judging.

edit: the ... crossing out the text doesn't work for some reason

Does judging ever make sense though? Generally speaking. Questionable judging is something that happens at every competition and judges are never consistent when they give out GOEs or call underrotations or wrong edges.

Satoko has received 4 underrotation calls and a downgrade, 4 edge calls, and the lowest PCS of the current crop of top ladies in competitions so far. It's not her fault that Asada, Gold, and Wagner have often failed to deliver two clean programs this season. If they did, nobody would be as annoyed with Satoko's flaws.

 

[Tyranid]

Does judging ever make sense though? Generally speaking. Questionable judging is something that happens at every competition and judges are never consistent when they give out GOEs or call underrotations or wrong edges.

Satoko has received 4 underrotation calls and a downgrade, 4 edge calls, and the lowest PCS of the current crop of top ladies in competitions so far. It's not her fault that Asada, Gold, and Wagner have often failed to deliver two clean programs this season. If they did, nobody would be as annoyed with Satoko's flaws.

Satoko Miyahara does get fleeced in terms of PSC, ecpecially the SS TR CH, as you said before. But its inherently easier to judge jumps than it is to judge PCS. It's less sublective. Again, remember she has pre - rotation on her jumps. She ends up rotating less degrees in the air and it would be nice if the judges punished her ur's (less "benefit of the doubt" compared to other ur skaters who don't pre-rotate as much).

PCS is way more subjective and is a different topic. I have to be honest though, Miyahara destroys Radionova on music choices this season. Only Rads can skate to Dion's moanin' and Di'Caprio's whining, and make that $#%@ actually watchable.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Satoko's FS is one of the most enjoyable programs this year hands down. The music and the performance itself is a thing of beauty.

I have to be honest though, Miyahara destroys Radionova on music choices this season. Only Rads can skate to Dion's moanin' and Di'Caprio's whining, and make that $#%@ actually watchable.

 

[OniBan]

Satoko Miyahara does get fleeced in terms of PSC, ecpecially the SS TR CH, as you said before. But its inherently easier to judge jumps than it is to judge PCS. It's less sublective. Again, remember she has pre - rotation on her jumps. She ends up rotating less degrees in the air and it would be nice if the judges punished her ur's (less "benefit of the doubt" compared to other ur skaters who don't pre-rotate as much).

PCS is way more subjective and is a different topic. I have to be honest though, Miyahara destroys Radionova on music choices this season. Only Rads can skate to Dion's moanin' and Di'Caprio's whining, and make that $#%@ actually watchable.

Here's what I don't get - because it's 'inherently' easier to judge jumps than PCS, therefore should one keep one eyes closed when it comes to people who are unfairly judged in PCS?
It's like 'oh sorry, it's easier to judge your jumps so we should dock off lots of points off those. Your PCS may deserve better but it's so hard to judge that so we'll ignore that part and continue to ignore the fact that judges underscore you, mmkay?'
I mean, WHAT

also, people who complain about Satoko's jumps not 'scored properly' tend to imply/ make it out as though she gets +3 GOEs for them - when the fact is that she doesn't. It's like a freaking propaganda or something. Do people get paid to remind everyone how Satoko pre-rotate over and over again, while conveniently forgetting to mention she already doesn't get rewarded much GOE-wise for those anyway? Also people tend to conveniently forget she consistently gets underscored in her PCS in relation to her actual skating skills? Is this some kind of subversive pre-World smear campaign or something? Fact - she doesn't get high GOEs for her jumps like other top tier skaters do, she just doesn't! In that sense she already gets 'punished' for her jumps, on top of her low PCS, what else do people want?

Her jumps are small so she pre rotates? The girl is FREAKING SMALL. Of course her jumps are going to be tiny compared to everyone else, and even her coaches acknowledge she isn't the most talented when it comes to jumps. She has to get up in the air somehow in any way she can. But she is a hard worker and gets better bit by bit - you have to at least see her jumps are a bit better now than it was when she debuted in the senior circuit. The fact she can even get up in the air is amazing to me. Don't you think the judges may also acknowledge this when they judge her skating?

Seriously sometimes I think the only thing that will shut people up on this if their favoured skaters win instead of Satoko - but the way I see it - Satoko does her best despite her shortcomings every time, and if other skaters bomb and she does well and comes up on top, who can be blamed but those who don't perform well?
Other top tier skaters gets rewarded very easily when THEY skate clean - Satoko had to skate clean EVERY SINGLE damn time to even get her PCS inch up bit by bit. Even then you know that if she makes one small mistake, judges are going to dock off points her so fast and yet no one is gonna say it's unfair.
and still people want her to be 'punished' more, I mean c'mon

 

[ioanna]

Satoko Miyahara does get fleeced in terms of PSC, ecpecially the SS TR CH, as you said before. But its inherently easier to judge jumps than it is to judge PCS. It's less sublective. Again, remember she has pre - rotation on her jumps. She ends up rotating less degrees in the air and it would be nice if the judges punished her ur's (less "benefit of the doubt" compared to other ur skaters who don't pre-rotate as much).)

Well you said it, a lot of skaters prerotate their jumps to some degree. Judges don't mark prerotations as underrotations. All they can do is give negative GOEs but they have other things to take into consideration; transitions, flow, posture. Her jumps all look incorporated within the choreography, her landings have flow, she doesn't lose focus or stop performing like other skaters do and make a face like "ok here comes the big combination / here comes my weakest jump focus focus focus". She has to get some credit for that and the GOEs end up being in the 0.4-0.8 range. I think that's fair, other people think it's not. That's fine, I'm just stating my opinion and giving my arguments.

 

[ioanna]

Satoko's FS is one of the most enjoyable programs this year hands down. The music and the performance itself is a thing of beauty.

Oh, I thought she was overrated.

Just joking. So was her Miss Saigon FS last year and yet it still got much, much lower PCS than Tuktamysheva's Batwannis Beek. But that was fair because Tuktamysheva had great jumps and winked at the camera. :agree:

 

[matmuh]

i think Satoko always had great and very balanced programs, i really enjoy her 2013-2014 SP, where she starts with stsq, not for the sake of backloading (she does 3-3 right after stsq so she doesnt get 10% bonus for it ) but because it fits the music, i love last year's SP as well :luv17: ( wish she had different costume though )

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

i think Satoko always had great and very balanced programs, i really enjoy her 2013-2014 SP, where she starts with stsq, not for the sake of backloading (she does 3-3 right after stsq so she doesnt get 10% bonus for it ) but because it fits the music, i love last year's SP as well :luv17: ( wish she had different costume though )

I always felt like I was standing alone last year with liking the SP. In fact when I first started making videos I chose that program to do jump analysis of and it became one of the first remix videos I ever made. I hadn't figured out rendering or HD and slow motion yet but the video started out as a jumpamatron project. People were saying they were under rotated at that event and I tried to make a jumpamatron to show that she had fully rotated them in the SP. Anyway as is the case with most Jumpamatrons I found way more good in the program and just kept adding the footage until a remix was born. Blah blah blah. I'm babbling.

https://youtu.be/_ee6qzRpT34

 

[ioanna]

Here's what I don't get - because it's 'inherently' easier to judge jumps than PCS, therefore should one keep one eyes closed when it comes to people who are unfairly judged in PCS?
It's like 'oh sorry, it's easier to judge your jumps so we should dock off lots of points off those. Your PCS may deserve better but it's so hard to judge that so we'll ignore that part and continue to ignore the fact that judges underscore you, mmkay?'
I mean, WHAT

Agreed. I mean, let's compare her FS at Worlds with Tuktamysheva's. Anyone who watches figure skating regularly can see that she had better skating skills, choreography (where was Liza's choreography anyway?), actual transitions whereas Liza looked like she was super focused on chasing her jumps and landing them in the first part of the program (and most of her jumps had terrible landings) and then when she's done with the difficult things "Sandstorm" starts playing and she finally pushes the "performance" button on.

Satoko performed every second of her program, all of her landings were secure and had a good flow except for the solo 3Lz, stunning choreography, transitions, easy multidirectional skating. I guess if she took out all of that, she would have been able to jump higher.

Final results: Liza - 132.74, Satoko - 126.58. Fair, isn't it.

 

[matmuh]

I always felt like I was standing alone last year with liking the SP. In fact when I first started making videos I chose that program to do jump analysis of and it became one of the first remix videos I ever made. I hadn't figured out rendering or HD and slow motion yet but the video started out as a jumpamatron project. People were saying they were under rotated at that event and I tried to make a jumpamatron to show that she had fully rotated them in the SP. Anyway as is the case with most Jumpamatrons I found way more good in the program and just kept adding the footage until a remix was born. Blah blah blah. I'm babbling.

https://youtu.be/_ee6qzRpT34

you are definitely not alone! there are many nuances i love in that program, for example i always do "thats right" nod after her 2A with her

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

you are definitely not alone! there are many nuances i love in that program, for example i always do "thats right" nod after her 2A with her

Totally gulity!!! I love the piano and Choreo right after the 3f too.

 

[NoNameFace]

I always felt like I was standing alone last year with liking the SP. In fact when I first started making videos I chose that program to do jump analysis of and it became one of the first remix videos I ever made. I hadn't figured out rendering or HD and slow motion yet but the video started out as a jumpamatron project. People were saying they were under rotated at that event and I tried to make a jumpamatron to show that she had fully rotated them in the SP. Anyway as is the case with most Jumpamatrons I found way more good in the program and just kept adding the footage until a remix was born. Blah blah blah. I'm babbling.

https://youtu.be/_ee6qzRpT34

you are not alone:agree:, Mozart SP was a really lovely program, suited Satoko very much I feel - she can fill a classical piece like that with her immense musicality, fluidity and harmony of movement. The most important thing for me is that she has not over-interpreted it - there was a right balance between choreography, music and expression. The only 'no' thing for me was her costume - it was a bit 80's gymnast too much and this combination cobalt blue and canary yellow..., I designed in my head something in deep green with gold baroque applique for this program

 

[Marin]

Look who is little Yuna's hero :luv17: http://www.lillehammer2016.com/sportresult/athletes