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Scary Thought About Canada's Future in Figure Skating

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I was not sure how to title this as it sort of ties in with the Scottish Referendum topic, but here goes. The question about Scotland wanting to leave Great Britain made me think about Quebec and it's stance on wanting to separate from Canada. It really gave me food for thought about our Figure Skaters. Many of our top skaters hail from Quebec. Joannie Rochette, comes to mind. Just imagine if Quebec was an independent Province (country?) from Canada. This would really change the landscape of our Skate Canada team, not to mention our other great athletes who did so well at the Olympic games. I don't want to start a war of words here with our French Canadian members, but it does make one stop and think about one of the consequences Quebec's separating would bring. :eek:
 
Yeah, you're right! Although Virtue and Moir and Chan aren't from Quebec. It seems like more Ontario skaters are becoming successful lately. It used to be all about Quebec with the pairs.
 
I am sure everyone would adjust and the world will continue, just a bit different. And really I don't think it will happen so this really is pointless or some desperate attempt to talk skating because the senior season hasn't started yet.
 
Separatism is all but dead, with the PQ party's abysmal showing in the last federal election. The newer generation of Québécois is for the most part against it. I don't think we have to worry about that.
 
Separatism is all but dead, with the PQ party's abysmal showing in the last federal election. The newer generation of Québécois is for the most part against it. I don't think we have to worry about that.

I've lived in Quebec a few years back and what I came away with with the modern generation is that separation is their parents' issue. With the younger people there is instead a pride of their unique identity. They'll fly the Canadian maple leaf when they win and see no contradiction to being proud Quebecers first and foremost. In fact I think to a lesser degree it is this way in many of Canada's provinces where folks think of themselves first foremost the province they come from, except for maybe Ontario :cool:
 
The speed skating and various ski sports would have more to worry about. Heck, the whole winter Olympic for Canada would suffer greatly. Luckily, these Quebec athletes have been proudly representing Canada, reflecting the newer attitude of young Quebecois.
 
The speed skating and various ski sports would have more to worry about. Heck, the whole winter Olympic for Canada would suffer greatly. Luckily, these Quebec athletes have been proudly representing Canada, reflecting the newer attitude of young Quebecois.

As can be seen by Justine's reactions beginning about the 6:00 mark...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY1AbDF5m7s

...or the sisters comments on the Strombo show at the 5:22 mark...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2wX00vqhRc



ETA: Personally, I don't distinguish between provinces when I cheer for the athletes. I cheer for them all equally as Canadians. But, I am from Ontario...re: RABID's last comment.
 
Considering how well the separatist "party" did in the last election (quotes because they're technically not even a party anymore, considering the number of seats they have left...), I doubt this is something to worry about for the time being.

Anyway, I don't think this will be such a blow for figure skating in particular (most of our greats haven't been from Quebec, with exceptions of course). It'll probably be worse for, say, hockey.
 
We have a similar deal here in Texas. Secession will never pass, but it is in our state constitution and talk of it always comes up when the national election doesn't reflect our views (like with Obama, TX carried Romney by a landslide.) It wouldn't affect skating so much as our only decent singles skater finished out of the medals at Nats and our best skater in general skates for Canada right now. In Sochi we only had three Texans on the entire US Olympic team. It would sure affect the summer games, though. Last time in London we had 25 + summer athletes from Austin (or UT ties) alone, that was not including the rest of Texas. It is interesting to think about what would happen if provinces secede from Canada or states secede from the US. I am glad that they won't happen and we sure don't want to relive the civil war.
 
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As can be seen by Justine's reactions beginning about the 6:00 mark...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY1AbDF5m7s

...or the sisters comments on the Strombo show at the 5:22 mark...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2wX00vqhRc

ETA: Personally, I don't distinguish between provinces when I cheer for the athletes. I cheer for them all equally as Canadians. But, I am from Ontario...re: RABID's last comment.

Just to let you know that the first video is geo-blocked, so I don’t know what Justine Dufour-Lapointe’s reaction was, or indeed what she was reacting to.

But, I was really surprised that there was so much controversy about the editing somebody did to the photo of the sisters shown in the second video. (For the benefit of those that haven’t seen the photos, the references to Canada were changed to references to Quebec).

For goodness sake, the girls are from Quebec! I could understand there being uproar if they and their entire family were from, say, Ontario ( ;) ), and somebody was trying to claim them for Quebec. But, that is not the case.

To me, this is not somebody trying to use them to support separatism. This is just somebody who is using them to emphasise the success of their local sporting talent.

But, then again, I would say that. Because, before Sochi, I did exactly the same thing to the team photos of the athletes from Northern Ireland that were competing! (See the photo links in this post). I changed the Team GB or Team Ireland logos to references to Northern Ireland.

I know that since I joined this forum I have made a big deal about sports people being from Northern Ireland. But, a lot of that is purely an aide to help foreigners realise just who is from this wee country. Let’s face it, when our athletes are spread out between different countries’ teams (hey, our 19 Olympic/Paralympic Gold Medallists have represented a total of 4 different countries – Great Britain, Ireland, Canada and South Africa), it is hard to keep up with how they are doing!

I've lived in Quebec a few years back and what I came away with with the modern generation is that separation is their parents' issue. With the younger people there is instead a pride of their unique identity. They'll fly the Canadian maple leaf when they win and see no contradiction to being proud Quebecers first and foremost. In fact I think to a lesser degree it is this way in many of Canada's provinces where folks think of themselves first foremost the province they come from, except for maybe Ontario :cool:

I wouldn't go as far as to say that the young people here don't have strong feelings about the status of Northern Ireland (a lot of them do!) But, we are getting to the stage that people here are not just proud to be British or Irish. They are also proud to be Northern Irish. And that is something that would have been unthinkable a generation ago. (Largely because there was nothing to be proud of, since we were too busy fighting each other!)

Our situation is the opposite of what is happening with the Quebecois. We were always proud of the national identities, but it took time to be proud of our own identity. The Quebecois were always proud of their own identity, but took time to be proud of the national identity. But, both examples show that it is possible to be proud of both identities.

As for identities for sports people, well I have already expressed my feelings about this subject. See this post, from the time when nationality issues forced the break-up of the brilliant partnership between Narumi Takahashi and Mervin Tran.

Incidentally, for those that are interested, Mervin is from Saskatchewan. So, he would not be affected.

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Just to let you know that the first video is geo-blocked, so I don’t know what Justine Dufour-Lapointe’s reaction was, or indeed what she was reacting to.
Here is another video, but it is of poor quality so it may not show clearly. I will describe the contents, in case it isn't sufficiently clear to make the point, or is also geoblocked... The video was of the Ladies mogul medal ceremony in Sochi. As usual, the flag is raised, and the national anthem is played. Chloe already has her hand over her heart, and at the 6:00 minute mark of the original video Justine does the same. Shortly after, tears swell in her eyes and runs down her cheeks. She didn't tear at the flower ceremony, or when she was given her medal. She only teared as the flag was raised and the anthem played. This would seem to show a certain amount of pride and loyalty to her country. [After stepping down from the podium, the medalists are marched to the first position on the stage for photos. At one point, her sister Chloe turns away and appears to also wipe tears from her right cheek. (Not shown in either video) ]

But, I was really surprised that there was so much controversy about the editing somebody did to the photo of the sisters shown in the second video. (For the benefit of those that haven’t seen the photos, the references to Canada were changed to references to Quebec).

For goodness sake, the girls are from Quebec! I could understand there being uproar if they and their entire family were from, say, Ontario ( ;) ), and somebody was trying to claim them for Quebec. But, that is not the case.

To me, this is not somebody trying to use them to support separatism. This is just somebody who is using them to emphasise the success of their local sporting talent.

But, then again, I would say that. Because, before Sochi, I did exactly the same thing to the team photos of the athletes from Northern Ireland that were competing! (See the photo links in this post). I changed the Team GB or Team Ireland logos to references to Northern Ireland.
I am not certain how big the controversy was, since I had only heard about it through this Strombo interview. But since it made the show, and the Dufour-Lapointe sisters knew about it, I guess it was bigger than it appeared to me. To understand why it was assumed to be a political statement (which seems to be what the sisters also thought, and they are from Quebec), you need to have some background information. When various anti-Canada, anti-English news reports spread across to the rest of the country, events like this may cause some people to automatically assume it is a political statement made by die-hard separatists. Then everything may escalate into a controversy.

eg... (hopefully these are not geoblocked.)

- http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...-remove-canadian-flag-from-national-assembly/

- http://world.time.com/2013/04/08/qu...uage-politics-intensify-in-canadian-province/

- http://o.canada.com/news/quebec-gatineau-hospital-french
 
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