Even with her immense struggles, I do think it's the right call to send Meissner over Hacker. But I would have her go to 4CC's first to try to get her confidence back. It seems after all these years BeBe will finally experience the Worlds. well done on her part.
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Even with her immense struggles, I do think it's the right call to send Meissner over Hacker. But I would have her go to 4CC's first to try to get her confidence back. It seems after all these years BeBe will finally experience the Worlds. well done on her part.
Well, NOW many of you see one of the effects of the age rule - here we have TWO medal winners who can't go to Worlds and a third skater who can't be our first alternate at Worlds. What a ridiculous MESS!!
I believe without question that Nagasu, Flatt, and Wagner COULD secure 3 positions for LA. You can bet your bottom dollar that Korean and JSF officials are doing cartwheels NOW about the age rule. They might have wanted special exemptions for their champions at an earlier time, but they're just FINE with the rule NOW.
Why? Mirai and Rachael are lovely skaters. But they aren't at Mao and Yu-na's level yet.
I bet Japanese and Koreans said the exact same thing when Mao Asada and Yuna Kim were not allowed to Olympics and 06 Worlds even after Mao won GPF in 05~06.
Well, NOW many of you see one of the effects of the age rule - here we have TWO medal winners who can't go to Worlds and a third skater who can't be our first alternate at Worlds. What a ridiculous MESS!!
I believe without question that Nagasu, Flatt, and Wagner COULD secure 3 positions for LA. You can bet your bottom dollar that Korean and JSF officials are doing cartwheels NOW about the age rule. They might have wanted special exemptions for their champions at an earlier time, but they're just FINE with the rule NOW.
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Again. I am not trying to discuss anything but what the skaters did tonight. I don't care if Caroline becomes Miki Ando, Lucinda Ruh, Michelle Kwan, and Sasha Cohen all roled into one. She's not it now, and that's the matter.
Additionally, now that I have looked at the judges marks, it serves to make my point even better. It looks totally fair. It shows that Mirai is the better skater since, though she did have some jump troubles, the ones that she did do received higher GOEs. Caroline beat Mirai in the TES, but Mirai rightfully earned more points on the componet scores, and that's where she won out. I don't care if Caroline could do much better in her overall skating; we can say that about anyone.
Now, let's see how many people start saying that Nagasu was purposely overmarked on the PCS marks so that she'd beat Caroline. Fact of the matter is that Nagasu was almost 17 points ahead of Zhang so there was very little chance she was going to end up behind her in the end.
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The issue shouldn't be with Nagasu at all, and I know everyone here has mentioned the other skaters too, but I think Nagasu shouldn't even be in the argument. Flatt and Wagner both deserved edge calls for their lutzes.
But Mirai is the national champion, again.
But Mirai is the national champion, again.
I certainly have no problem with Mirai being the champion because I love her. I also agree with the overall placement. I just have a problem with the tech caller's inconsistency. Only Kimmie was called for wrong edge in sp, Mirai and Bebe received "e" for only one of their lutzs, Rachael and Ashley didn't get called for wrong edge at all. It's like the tech caller was sneezing during those questionable moments.
Well, I don't think I was saying that Caroline should be marked on her potential or her future skating instead of her performance. I don't know where you got that idea. It's just that I thought that her performance today was spectacular and seems to deserve higher points than it got. Her LP was absolutely amazing and breathtaking. Great jumps, spins, choreography.... The only thing that Mirai seemed to have done better on was footwork + flow/speed. (Perhaps height of the jumps as well But I think Caroline's jumps are gorgeous.) From the point of view of this viewer who doesn't calculate the protocols in his head, Caroline shouldn't have been down by so many points. But again, speed + flow matter more in the eyes of the judges than in my eyes and I do respect that.
LOL, if you really don't care you should just let it go, stop saying/defending "Mirai is a better skater than Caroline" post after post. By the way, not many people(at least not in this thread) claim "Careoline Zhang is better or best". Well, good luck on both girls in the future competitions.
I too can see her improvements on the presentation but I hate her dress, not very flattering on her.
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Well, NOW many of you see one of the effects of the age rule - here we have TWO medal winners who can't go to Worlds and a third skater who can't be our first alternate at Worlds. What a ridiculous MESS!!
I believe without question that Nagasu, Flatt, and Wagner COULD secure 3 positions for LA. You can bet your bottom dollar that Korean and JSF officials are doing cartwheels NOW about the age rule. They might have wanted special exemptions for their champions at an earlier time, but they're just FINE with the rule NOW.
This doesn't have any effect on my opinion of the age rule. Why would it? The people who are old enough to go to Worlds will go. The younger ones have time and lovely medals. Everyone knew the rules going into this and no one has been cheated. I don't see a mess here.
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Probably so - and rightfully so. I've said all along that the 15-by-July 1st rule should never have been installed in the first place.
And, in spite of Yu-Na's and Mao's "league" - whatever "league" that may be - I still believe that Mirai, Rachel, and Ashley would do well enough to secure 3 spots for LA. I did not say they were presently good enough to beat both Yu-Na and Mao at Worlds. They wouldn't NEED to.
well, just look at what happened to Kimmie and Miki Ando. I won't bet everything just based on one performance.
Then again. It does mean one less phenom developing world experience (if the USFSA doesn't get 3 spots for the LA Olympics) Which is good for YU-na and Mao. With all of the crying, It's unfair. I wish someone pointed out to Dick. That Miki, Mao, and Yu-na all were held back from age rules so was Meissner. And Mao and Yu-na's case they had a shot of actually winning worlds/Olympics.
But do they need that kind of pressure at their age? What would they feel feel like if they did go and failed? .That is really a heavy burden to put on such young shoulders. What is wrong with letting them have the joy of this .They can come back next year older and better prepared. I think that is in their best interest. I may seem to be talking blasphemy to some, but figure skating isn't truly all that important.
If we lose a spot, it's not the end of the World. With this kind of talent, we stand a great chance of getting 3 spots back before the Olympics. Rejoice, US figure skating is actually in much better shape than I had thought. I doubt anyone is doing cartwheels at the thought of all of our beautiful skaters except some of us!
If we lose a spot, it's not the end of the World. With this kind of talent, we stand a great chance of getting 3 spots back before the Olympics. Rejoice, US figure skating is actually in much better shape than I had thought. I doubt anyone is doing cartwheels at the thought of all of our beautiful skaters except some of us!
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Well, of course, if you don't believe that medal winners at any country's national championships, regardless of age, have earned the right to skate at Worlds without any artificial impediment, then that's your perogative.
But, by the way, the fact that "Everyone knew the rules going into this" carries no particular merit as an argument in favor of the rule.
If you have enough ability to win a medal at your country's nationals, you go to Worlds. Period. If you don't, you don't. Period. What could be simpler and fairer than that? Janet Lynn was in Senior Nationals at 12 because she was good enough. She went to the '68 Olympics at 14 because she was good enough.
I tend to disagree on this. There should be an age difference otherwise no need for Juniour and Senior events in any competitions. And for figure skating, being young is not an disadvantage at all. I certainly don't want to see some preteens jumping away with all the major titles in one or two seasons and then retire at 15 years of old.
Well, in retrospect I must say, what a ladies' event this was. Finally a Nats that was unpredictable! I would NEVER EVER have guessed Marai winning. Caroline was a possibility, maybe Wagner, and of course Meissner, but wow, that was a shocker. She came in flying under the radar and shadow of Zhang/Meissner. Rachel Flatt also surprised me a little with how well she did, especially in the FS.
In terms of excitement, this didn't exactly have me at the edge of my seat but I'd put it up there with 2003 in terms of overall anticipation, when you had Cohen, Hughes AND Kwan in the mix. And multiple great performances in the Ladies' FS? when was the last time that happened at Nats? Usually everyone's cracking under the pressure and it turns out to be a "splatfest". In terms of skating, the best Nats I've seen. Now next year will be a different story with most of these newcomers being age-eligible for worlds...there will certainly be a lot more on the line. Hopefully a broadcast network will get worlds that year but if we end up only having two spots it'll be a tough sell.
Good for the youngsters for making a statement tonight, that US ladies' skating isn't in the "dire" condition everyone thought it was in earlier. Still, that said, these girls haven't experienced REAL senior pressure, or even worse, puberty. time will tell but things definitely don't look bleak in the long term. And Kimmie...I don't know what to say. When I saw her fall on that last jump in the warmup before leaving, I had this feeling it wasn't going to be good...she didn't look confident at all. But never would I have expected a repeat of the GPF skate!! oh man...I did feel bad for her, especially after she seemed so upbeat in the "truth booth" even after a lackluster short. when was the last time a defending ladies national champ didn't even make the podium the following year? ouch.
In terms of excitement, this didn't exactly have me at the edge of my seat but I'd put it up there with 2003 in terms of overall anticipation, when you had Cohen, Hughes AND Kwan in the mix. And multiple great performances in the Ladies' FS? when was the last time that happened at Nats? Usually everyone's cracking under the pressure and it turns out to be a "splatfest". In terms of skating, the best Nats I've seen. Now next year will be a different story with most of these newcomers being age-eligible for worlds...there will certainly be a lot more on the line. Hopefully a broadcast network will get worlds that year but if we end up only having two spots it'll be a tough sell.
Good for the youngsters for making a statement tonight, that US ladies' skating isn't in the "dire" condition everyone thought it was in earlier. Still, that said, these girls haven't experienced REAL senior pressure, or even worse, puberty. time will tell but things definitely don't look bleak in the long term. And Kimmie...I don't know what to say. When I saw her fall on that last jump in the warmup before leaving, I had this feeling it wasn't going to be good...she didn't look confident at all. But never would I have expected a repeat of the GPF skate!! oh man...I did feel bad for her, especially after she seemed so upbeat in the "truth booth" even after a lackluster short. when was the last time a defending ladies national champ didn't even make the podium the following year? ouch.
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