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The best thing for me is that Cincya got all her triples back!

The most impressive thing is the way Leslie skated, better than she was young. An inspiration for anyone who wants to start something new when not so young anymore:)

The most puzzling thing is Joannie's 2A+1A sequence, this was the second time I saw her doing this. WHY? !!! It worths less than just doing a 2A, even when there is not +GOE, and she got -GOE for the sequence with less base value. IMHO if she was not confidence for the second 2A, just do one beautiful 2A and get +GOE.
 
^ Well, the 2A+2A+SEQ is worth 6.16 base value if she hits both.

It was an enjoyable competition. But it doesn't look good for Canadian ladies at worlds. Joannie may get a top ten, but who else can help her?
 
^ Well, the 2A+2A+SEQ is worth 6.16 base value if she hits both.

It was an enjoyable competition. But it doesn't look good for Canadian ladies at worlds. Joannie may get a top ten, but who else can help her?

This is our big concern. Canada is doing ok in other disciplines, but ladies are incredibly weak.

A lot of fans are hoping Mira goes up the learning curve to get into top 20 to 15ish at Worlds.

My pipe dreams for next seasons include, but are not limited to:

- Myriane and Erika Tisluck become consistent competitors or Kathryine Kang acquires big jumps and becomes more consistent in LPs.
- Cynthia gets back on track,

Not much you can ask for Lesley, who is a hard worker.
 
^ Well, the 2A+2A+SEQ is worth 6.16 base value if she hits both.

It was an enjoyable competition. But it doesn't look good for Canadian ladies at worlds. Joannie may get a top ten, but who else can help her?

It has to be Mira this year as she is the 2nd lady on the team
 
I said the exact same thing to my Mom while watching Cynthia get her bronze medal a couple of hours ago. (Country Canada showed the Medal Ceremonies) I saw her skate in a show in North Bay, Ontario a couple of years ago and I remembered thinking she'd be lucky to make it back.

Like you rain, I'm so happy this time to be so wrong. :biggrin:

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:her skate was one of my favorites of the competition. SO pleased to see her BACK. The way she hung on to a couple of those jumps showed sheer determination IMO. Good for her!
 
This is our big concern. Canada is doing ok in other disciplines, but ladies are incredibly weak.

A lot of fans are hoping Mira goes up the learning curve to get into top 20 to 15ish at Worlds.

My pipe dreams for next seasons include, but are not limited to:

- Myriane and Erika Tisluck become consistent competitors or Kathryine Kang acquires big jumps and becomes more consistent in LPs.
- Cynthia gets back on track,

Not much you can ask for Lesley, who is a hard worker.

Agree although I think Cynthia is getting back on track. She was off on all her jumps ( save the opening toe ) in her LP but she FOUGHT for all her landings and except for the double axel where she was way off refused to fall. She is not quite there yet but she is close to her pre-fracture form and she has made tremendous strides forward.

As for Tisluk, I watched her on TV with my mother and my mom noticed the stage fright before she took the ice for her LP. We weren't surprised by the meltdown.

Personally my pipe dreams have more to do with changing the system so that ladies is no longer the laughingstock of Canadian figure skating. It will take years for changes in the system to have the desired effect.

First of all let me congratulate Skate Canada for making senior skaters do challenges at nationals. For too long "senior" skaters who couldnt't land any double axel or triple jumps made it directly to nationals just because they were lucky to come from a small section with 4 or less senior ladies. At least the challenge made sure you had to EARN your trip to nationals.

Personally I would love to see the following things happen.

1. More ladies going to the big US summer competitions where the USFSA is making decisions about international assignments .

All our promising dance teams went to Lake Placid this year. For ice dance, Lake Placid is excellent because it is a compulsory event for all US dance couples who want an international assignment. Therefore you get strength vs strength and our Canadian dance couples have done well with the experience.

If it works for our dancers, why don't we do it for our ladies. I am talking the Liberty and Detroit competitions specifically for our ladies.

2. In our own summer competitions, where there are multiple groups for an event ( say novice ladies ) , the best in each group face off against each other in a final. Hopefully the final is a combined event but even a free skate alone would do if ice rental costs is a problem for the section. This would give our best skaters the experience of the added pressure that comes when you compete against a quality field. Too often in local summer competitions you have 1 or 2 decent skaters where the rest of the field is just terrible. I have seen summer junior ladies competitions where only 2 or 3 ladies land a double axel and no triples are landed at all and the bottom ladies have troubles with double flips and lutzes.
 
Why is the ladies so behind compared to other disciplines in Canada? Is Skate Canada doing something different/wrong that they aren't doing in the other three disciplines or is it just that there are no truly talented ladies in Canada? The reason for mentioning the latter is because I was thinking...no matter how much money you invest in athletes or what programs you design for their growth and success, if they're not talented enough to begin with (relative to the rest of the world) no amount of money or special programs will make them champions.
 
Yea Cynthia & Joannie!!!:rock::clap::love: I am soo happy for them especially Cynthia who is back on track. I couldnt be more pleased:clap: Both Cynthia & Shawn on the podium! I am over the moon:love:
 
Yes :yes:, Annie and Sophie must be doing something right, D/D, Shawn and Cynthia all had great come backs in the freeskates ..... good for them .... it is nice to see S and C back on the podium, lets hope they continue to improve and have great skates at 4C :yes:
 
Phaneuf needs another year to get the feel of her jumps back, but she looked fantastic on the ice, and her basic skating is third only to Rochette and Dube, who isn't really a serious contender in Ladies. (No 3Lo, no 3F, just the jumps she might need in pairs.) I used to find her a bit gawky in her movements -- I think "coltish" is the PC term -- but even though she's so much taller now, she's also so much more graceful. (And she kept the David Wilson face-stroking down to a minumum.) She did a great exhibition to "I Will Survive," and I hope they find her less girly music for next year. Her LP costume was to die for.

Leung has been working very, very hard, and it's paid off: she moved a lot more lyrically than I have seen before. It really was a shame that she missed two jumps. I know that Leslie Hawker has an inspiring story, and Leung does not, but I'd rather watch Leung skate. I think Leung still has a lot more potential left.

Tisluck had an awful free skate, but she had the most beautiful spiral directly into a camel (part of a combo spin), expressing the music beautifully. Samson has been around a while -- she'll age out of juniors next year -- and she did poorly at Junior Worlds last year. I would have preferred to see one of the young junior Ladies (or Tisluck) at Junior Worlds this year. Kristen Walker maxxed out her jumps in the SP, which was a beauty.

Kathryn Kang is very popular in BC; after the competition, she was surrounded by kids, I assume from her club. The BC skaters are not the strongest jumpers, which is a shame, because so many of them have wonderful skating skills and a lot of potential.
 
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Tisluck had an awful free skate, but she had the most beautiful spiral directly into a camel (part of a combo spin), expressing the music beautifully. Samson has been around a while -- she'll age out of juniors next year -- and she did poorly at Junior Worlds last year. I would have preferred to see one of the young junior Ladies (or Tisluck) at Junior Worlds this year. Kristen Walker maxxed out her jumps in the SP, which was a beauty.

Kathryn Kang is very popular in BC; after the competition, she was surrounded by kids, I assume from her club. The BC skaters are not the strongest jumpers, which is a shame, because so many of them have wonderful skating skills and a lot of potential.

I am all for sending Samson to Junior Worlds. Although she struggles to perform internationally, she is the only one with the potential to finish among the top 5 countries if she manages to put together 2 solid programs. Finishing among the top 5 countries means 16 JGP slots for our ladies next year , whereas finishing below that means only 8 JGP slots or even fewer. I know given her inconsistency she is unlikely to do this but she is the only chance we got even if it is a slim one. Remember she was in a position to secure 16 JGP slots after the short at JW last ( she was 7th after the short within the top 5 countries) but bombed the long leaving us with only 7 JGP slots this year.

Our top junior ladies are nowhere near ready for JW. Having only a triple toe and salchow is not going to place you anywhere at Junior Worlds. Our junior ladies national winner last year only had triple toe and salchow as well and Skate Canada didn't even consider her for JGP's this season, nevermind giving a lady with only that content a spot for JW.

Right now, only Kang , Szmiett and Tisluk ( all are inconsistent but they have at least landed some big jumps in competition) are the only sure bets for receiving JGP's next season. Summer competitions will determine the rest with preference to our top novices this season ( like they gave Rika Inoda a JGP slot this year ) unless our juniors add to the jump arsenal this summer. The fact is that our top novices also have consistent toe and salchow and they are younger as well.
 
I Although she struggles to perform internationally, she is the only one with the potential to finish among the top 5 countries if she manages to put together 2 solid programs. Finishing among the top 5 countries means 16 JGP slots for our ladies next year , whereas finishing below that means only 8 JGP slots or even fewer. I know given her inconsistency she is unlikely to do this but she is the only chance we got even if it is a slim one...
After Canadian Nats, it's looking slimmer, and I would prefer giving someone else the experience (any of the other JGP Ladies). She doesn't have the jumps, but the young Junior Champion, McNeil, has better presence than they. And I wish Kang could go East and get more solid jump technique. (She was stalking jumps, like almost every other BC skater except Sam Wong [sometimes] and Keegan Murphy in the FS. That close, you can see the insecurity and expectation of failure on their faces.) But I hope Samson proves me wrong.
 
I think Leung has improved greatly...she is looking very graceful. Yes that turtle head is annoying and her jumps are not huge...yet. But i see a vast improvement.

Cynthia's skating is just gorgeous. She feels the music so well and her jumps are almost there again. She will be spectacular i think.

I just love Joannie....i really hope she can put it all together. She has good line and feels the music well.

As for Hawker.....ok i know this girl has a story which is fantastic...but her body line needs alot of work. I think she should do alot of Ballet work. Personally Leungs skating is way better than Hawkers.
 
I saw a lot of improvement in Mira. :clap:She needs to improve speed........which is doable. I am not sure she will be able to correct the funny turtle head jump prep.

Cynthia was gorgeous and skated with guts and determination.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Rochette skated well but will need to be much better for Worlds.:clap:

Hawker skated very well but she is getting up there for FS.

What in the world happened to Tisluck? That was very painful to watch. Kurt had trouble commentating so he mentioned when he was standing in line for a burger, a couple of guys ahead of him were talking about how pretty Erica Tisluck is.........he couldn't find anything positive about the skating
 
I cringe at the thought of Myriane Samson at JW again. She didn't medal in the JGP, which means there are ladies from 6 countries who did medal, and who could (and likely will) finish ahead of her at JW: USA, JPN, FIN, EST, GER, RUS. Looking at the JGP results, EIGHTEEN ladies had higher scores than Myriane.

Some of the skaters who placed above Myriane didn't even have lutz or flip, yet they beat her soundly, because Myriane is totally inconsistent.

I would like to see some other lady have a chance to skate at JW. Myriane had the same pattern last season: no JGP medal, skated well at Canadians, bombed at JW. If she repeats last year's JW performance, Canada will be down to 7 total spots at JGP and no doubt they will go to Senior ladies who are still age-eligible, but whose skating is meh.
 
After Canadian Nats, it's looking slimmer, and I would prefer giving someone else the experience (any of the other JGP Ladies). She doesn't have the jumps, but the young Junior Champion, McNeil, has better presence than they. And I wish Kang could go East and get more solid jump technique. (She was stalking jumps, like almost every other BC skater except Sam Wong [sometimes] and Keegan Murphy in the FS. That close, you can see the insecurity and expectation of failure on their faces.) But I hope Samson proves me wrong.

McNeil would never be chosen for JW this year as her short program does not have the triple from steps. That is part of the Skate Canada Junior Worlds criteria. I do like her and I thought she should be the alternate instead of Szmiett. She outscored Szmiett at nationals and Diane had the advantage of an extra spin in the long program. It is not like Diane could do the triple loop ( the jump for juniors this year is double or triple loop) from steps either. Diane did not try any loop jump in her long. But Skate Canada will be enamoured with Szmiett's super inconsistent triple lutz.

BTW if there was 0% possibility of Samson finishing high enough for 16 JGP slots, I would send McNeil instead. But Samson gives us a slim ( less than 10% I believe ) chance of finishing in the top 5 countries while McNeil really doesn't really give us any chance. I would rather take my chances for if Samson does well, it would give a big boost to the Canadian ladies program by giving more skaters opportunities to compete internationally.

McNeil should get JGPs next year. But Skate Canada does not have a history of handing out JGP assignments unless you show you have the big jumps.


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Is this stalking jumps thing a Joanne Mcleod thing? Many BC skaters are coached by her including Kang. Sandhu used to stalk his jumps as well especially in his final season.

The most worrisome trend is how in Canada our ladies in general don't seem to gain any jumps at all after the novice and in some cases the pre-novice level. One wins pre-novice with triple salchow and toe and it also wins juniors. And history has shown that our top juniors don't add jumps once they move to seniors.
 
I would like to see some other lady have a chance to skate at JW. Myriane had the same pattern last season: no JGP medal, skated well at Canadians, bombed at JW. If she repeats last year's JW performance, Canada will be down to 7 total spots at JGP and no doubt they will go to Senior ladies who are still age-eligible, but whose skating is meh.

The funny thing chuckm is that for the junior mens World Team, international results trumped national ones. Ian Martinez barely finished ahead of Jeremy Ten in senior men at nationals , but Jeremy Ten's 2 JGP medals over the past 2 seasons meant that he got the JW assignment over Ian. And Balde ( the junior men's winner ) has a consistent triple axel.

Too bad they didn't do that in the year when Duhamel made the JGPF ( and even beat Kimmie M. in a JGP) but bombed at nationals.

As far as JGP assignments next year, the only certainties I can see ( using Skate Canada's flawed logic ) are Kang , Tisluk and Szmiett. Kang will be in her last junior year next season.

I still don't understand why Szmiett was put ahead of McNeil ( who is 2 years younger than Szmiett ) for the alternate slot. First of all McNeil's junior score at nationals was higher than Szmiett's senior score and Szmiett had the benefit of an extra spin in the long. From the last post McNeil can at least rotate a triple loop albeit inconsistently and Szmiett doesn't even try a loop jump in the long ; a sure sign she doesn't have a triple loop.

Therefore McNeil actually comes closer to SC's JW standard than Szmiett but are enamoured by Szmiett's inconsistent triple loop.
 
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