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Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir

The level calls aren't what they should be worrying about. Look at their PCS. It's even lower than GPF.

Didier is that u?🙄 we know u r a huge papadakis/cizeron fan but Tessa and Scott’s SD is the best by any team this year. Let’s see how they skate next week and if they go clean and aren’t awarded for it than it’s obvious the judges have made their decision for this year.
 
Didier is that u?🙄 we know u r a huge papadakis/cizeron fan but Tessa and Scott’s SD is the best by any team this year. Let’s see how they skate next week and if they go clean and aren’t awarded for it than it’s obvious the judges have made their decision for this year.

I'm just noting what the judges think of that SD. To have your score go down all season while your rivals goes up suggests that it's not the best SD of the season, but maybe all the judges will miraculously change their minds next week.
 
Indeed. Maybe the judges will miraculously changed their minds. Like the Spanish judge Ms. Marta OLOZAGARRE who seemed to LOVE that SD by Tessa and Scott at Skate Canada 9.75 / 9.75 / 10.00 / 10.00 / 10.00.

When her name got pulled for Spain for the Olympics I thought that V/M had a much better chance with her than her fellow Spanish judge David MUNOZ who was on the panel at the Grand Prix Final because he didn't seem to like the direction they approached their SD at all. Giving them 9.75 / 9.50 / 10.00 / 9.75 / 9.25

Key point to look at is Marta was feeling that SD at Skate Canada so much she threw them a 10 for interpretation of the music and timing... But David was not impressed that in rated P/C, H/D, Chock/Bates better in that area. But you know he isn't in Korea and Marta is so phew, bullet dodged with this draw.

So fast forward to yesterdays team event and the lovely Marta who was rocking along with V/M at Skate Canada buying what they were selling and how does she go:
9.50 / 9.50 / 9.75 / 9.50 / 9.25

There is only one explanation for that change of heart and I'm not listening to any nonsense about them not skating it as well as they did at Skate Canada. THAT was her first impression when they came out with this incredible SD. And what changed her mind is precisely why V/M still have their season best score only at their first competition despite clear improvements over the past several months.
 
Indeed. Maybe the judges will miraculously changed their minds. Like the Spanish judge Ms. Marta OLOZAGARRE who seemed to LOVE that SD by Tessa and Scott at Skate Canada 9.75 / 9.75 / 10.00 / 10.00 / 10.00.

When her name got pulled for Spain for the Olympics I thought that V/M had a much better chance with her than her fellow Spanish judge David MUNOZ who was on the panel at the Grand Prix Final because he didn't seem to like the direction they approached their SD at all. Giving them 9.75 / 9.50 / 10.00 / 9.75 / 9.25

Key point to look at is Marta was feeling that SD at Skate Canada so much she threw them a 10 for interpretation of the music and timing... But David was not impressed that in rated P/C, H/D, Chock/Bates better in that area. But you know he isn't in Korea and Marta is so phew, bullet dodged with this draw.

So fast forward to yesterdays team event and the lovely Marta who was rocking along with V/M at Skate Canada buying what they were selling and how does she go:
9.50 / 9.50 / 9.75 / 9.50 / 9.25

There is only one explanation for that change of heart and I'm not listening to any nonsense about them not skating it as well as they did at Skate Canada. THAT was her first impression when they came out with this incredible SD. And what changed her mind is precisely why V/M still have their season best score only at their first competition despite clear improvements over the past several months.

Well... Don't know, if I should thank You @CAS first for pointing that out as an example of that type of 'change of mind' when it comes to Virtue/Moir, or to start laughing at it with finish planned on Individual SD event... I did not expect anything else from PCS departament, nor fireworks in tech calls after GPF and after Olympic panel was published, so it is kind of...expected, in a way:).
 
I'm just noting what the judges think of that SD. To have your score go down all season while your rivals goes up suggests that it's not the best SD of the season, but maybe all the judges will miraculously change their minds next week.

Yeah cause it’s fixed. 👍
 
Indeed. Maybe the judges will miraculously changed their minds. Like the Spanish judge Ms. Marta OLOZAGARRE who seemed to LOVE that SD by Tessa and Scott at Skate Canada 9.75 / 9.75 / 10.00 / 10.00 / 10.00.

When her name got pulled for Spain for the Olympics I thought that V/M had a much better chance with her than her fellow Spanish judge David MUNOZ who was on the panel at the Grand Prix Final because he didn't seem to like the direction they approached their SD at all. Giving them 9.75 / 9.50 / 10.00 / 9.75 / 9.25

Key point to look at is Marta was feeling that SD at Skate Canada so much she threw them a 10 for interpretation of the music and timing... But David was not impressed that in rated P/C, H/D, Chock/Bates better in that area. But you know he isn't in Korea and Marta is so phew, bullet dodged with this draw.

So fast forward to yesterdays team event and the lovely Marta who was rocking along with V/M at Skate Canada buying what they were selling and how does she go:
9.50 / 9.50 / 9.75 / 9.50 / 9.25

There is only one explanation for that change of heart and I'm not listening to any nonsense about them not skating it as well as they did at Skate Canada. THAT was her first impression when they came out with this incredible SD. And what changed her mind is precisely why V/M still have their season best score only at their first competition despite clear improvements over the past several months.

Thanks for pointing this out CAS. Would you mind posting a link to the scoring breakdown? I’ve been watching FS for years but new to actually analyzing the judges markings and I can’t seem to find the link on the ISU site to see the breakdown of the scores. Thanks advance and apologies if I’ve missed an obvious link to the breakdown!
 
omg their FD was incredible tonight and they had the audience in the palm of their hands! The marks will rise next week they can't give them too high this week in the team event that is why so they have room i believe it! Can i just say Tessa's new dresses r so freaking hot! Wow. The small changes to their FD made a huge difference....it was incredible!
 
That free dance gives me life!!!
What an amazing performance, as always! From the very start they grab your attention in a way that you just can't let go of them. And every time it gets better and better and better! Absolutely loved it!
I can't help but get tears in my eyes in the "come what maaaay cooome what maaaaaaay" and that little change they did just made it even more awesome(and I thought that wasn't possible).
Amazing!
Amazing!!!
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That whole intro is epic! The audience went nuts with that lift when Tessa’s hands slowly raising like she was holding something precious! Chills. It was emoitional i can’t imagine when next monday it will be their last dance!
 
SO proud of Tessa and Scott! Also, have y'all seen all the celebs talking about them? They've gone viral! So happy for them and Team Canada!
 
SO proud of Tessa and Scott! Also, have y'all seen all the celebs talking about them? They've gone viral! So happy for them and Team Canada!
I haven't seen it!
They deserve every bit of success that comes their way. The best of the best! [emoji173]️
 
Thanks for pointing this out CAS. Would you mind posting a link to the scoring breakdown? I’ve been watching FS for years but new to actually analyzing the judges markings and I can’t seem to find the link on the ISU site to see the breakdown of the scores. Thanks advance and apologies if I’ve missed an obvious link to the breakdown!

I didn't write up some special breakdown of the marks. Just google ISU results for Skate Canada International, Grand Prix Final and the Team Event this week.
But this was in response mainly to a post. There are a lot of things to see if people want to look for it instead of talking about a silly pair of earrings BUT after seeing the competitions of the last few days I just want to try to focus on the positives and let the skating speak for itself :)
 
Does anyone have a link to their performance with Canadian commentary that isn't geoblocked? Really want to see a nice HD performance of their free dance :)
 
There is only one explanation for that change of heart and I'm not listening to any nonsense about them not skating it as well as they did at Skate Canada. THAT was her first impression when they came out with this incredible SD. And what changed her mind is precisely why V/M still have their season best score only at their first competition despite clear improvements over the past several months.

Maybe the explanation isn't nefarious. Marta hadn't seen PC's SD yet at the time of SC. Once she saw it, maybe she liked it more?

But this is the VM fan thread, so I'll say, Congratulations on Team Gold, VM!
 
Maybe the explanation isn't nefarious. Marta hadn't seen PC's SD yet at the time of SC. Once she saw it, maybe she liked it more?

But this is the VM fan thread, so I'll say, Congratulations on Team Gold, VM!

But she had. She judged P/C´s SD at Finlandia Trophy on October 7, 2017 twenty days before she judged V/M at Skate Canada. She also really liked P/C´s SD and gave them 9.50 / 9.50 /9.75 /10.00 / 10.00.

Just to be clear you brought up judges not liking their program as much as P/C and the implications that maybe they will "miraculously change their mind" in response to someone who posted asking if you were Didier and I just thought I'd set you straight.

I already see Didier's ex-wife is trying to revive the Leanna Caron shouldn't be a judge and Tessa's earrings in the French media to try to stir up **** again and I´d just caution that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And leave it at that.

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Riding on the high of the past week I think it's wonderful to see how great Tessa and Scott are doing. The positive attention they are getting has already made this comeback a success and whatever happens next week I can't see them walking away from these last two years with anything but a smile on their faces. It has been a pleasure following their career and their contribution to this sport is immense. Good luck to all teams, may what happens on the ice determine all and may all walk away satisfied they did their best.
 
But she had. She judged P/C´s SD at Finlandia Trophy on October 7, 2017 twenty days before she judged V/M at Skate Canada. She also really liked P/C´s SD and gave them 9.50 / 9.50 /9.75 /10.00 / 10.00.

Just to be clear you brought up judges not liking their program as much as P/C and the implications that maybe they will "miraculously change their mind" in response to someone who posted asking if you were Didier and I just thought I'd set you straight.

I already see Didier's ex-wife is trying to revive the Leanna Caron shouldn't be a judge and Tessa's earrings in the French media to try to stir up **** again and I´d just caution that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And leave it at that.

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Riding on the high of the past week I think it's wonderful to see how great Tessa and Scott are doing. The positive attention they are getting has already made this comeback a success and whatever happens next week I can't see them walking away from these last two years with anything but a smile on their faces. It has been a pleasure following their career and their contribution to this sport is immense. Good luck to all teams, may what happens on the ice determine all and may all walk away satisfied they did their best.


Exactly!

Also someone saying that miraculously "change their mind" is SO RIDICULOUS in a sporting event. The result should be determined on that day. It's an athletic sport for a reason.

BTW check out the celebs that are raving about Tessa and scott's FD to Moulin Rouge! It's gone viral!
 
But she had. She judged P/C´s SD at Finlandia Trophy on October 7, 2017 twenty days before she judged V/M at Skate Canada. She also really liked P/C´s SD and gave them 9.50 / 9.50 /9.75 /10.00 / 10.00.

Just to be clear you brought up judges not liking their program as much as P/C and the implications that maybe they will "miraculously change their mind" in response to someone who posted asking if you were Didier and I just thought I'd set you straight.

I already see Didier's ex-wife is trying to revive the Leanna Caron shouldn't be a judge and Tessa's earrings in the French media to try to stir up **** again and I´d just caution that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And leave it at that.

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Riding on the high of the past week I think it's wonderful to see how great Tessa and Scott are doing. The positive attention they are getting has already made this comeback a success and whatever happens next week I can't see them walking away from these last two years with anything but a smile on their faces. It has been a pleasure following their career and their contribution to this sport is immense. Good luck to all teams, may what happens on the ice determine all and may all walk away satisfied they did their best.

Thank You again, CAS for being so diligent and accurate with facts research. The funniest thing about all this argument about no seeing dance A before dance B to make the former liked better than the later - of course, judges are people too and have their own preferences towards stuff (especially, when we have quite different programs put next to each other), but shouldn't it be on first place to judge the exact performance of a program, taking into context actual things happened on ice, not the personal prejudice towards style, let alone the skaters themselves? I'm far from claim one SD better than another one conceptually-wise, because of how they are different from each other and the certain thing for me is only that BOTH of them can be done in excellent manner, not taking anything from either - hence me laughing a bit from 'God's truth' statements that program A is better than program B; there is no such thing in general, because each team is different and doing their programs in own style/way that appeals on various levels to audiences. I think that judging a performance of each program is an entire different thing though, but yeah - the common conception is that if a performance of the program scores better than another one's, it makes it automatically better from default. Not really my way of thinking, but whatever.

Then, about this 'change of mind' expressed by Spanish judge - maybe she really felt it by Tessa/Scott's performance, maybe not. Nevertheless, it's worth pointing out in relation to how Tessa/Scott's SD scores are changing depending on each performance and there is no need to drag French team in the process to state that their SD is considered as better just because PCS scores of Virtue/Moir are changing/decreasing. As I said earlier this season, one excellence does not exclude another.

I personally find TE SD version developed since Skate Canada more cohesive and flowy in relation to how movement reflects the music chosen and compiled together into one program when we talk about 'Interpretation' component (as a form of 'translation' the music into the movement, way/style of doing it and mutual commitment put into) - their movement seems to reflect all 3 rhythms quite 'richly', with different body actions, connections, great use of lines and upper body movement to accentuate musical accents, but after all alterations made since SC the dance/performance as a whole felt still very boldly/soundly, but much more easy and effortless in terms of transitioning (i.e. in my opinion their movement 'softens' musical/rhythmical changes in-between parts now way better than previously, which makes the whole dance elevated). I find also changes in the intro, non-touching step sequence ('the stop' part), transitioning part before pattern, entrance/exit from partial step sequence introduced at Nationals better in terms of defining the rhythmical beat/pace of the particular pieces of music: their movement is sharper, more punctuated and reflects more music's character. I think that the music chosen for this SD in particular kind of determines how movement should look like to reflect it in the right way, to get to the people - and as at the beginning of the season there were definitely some issues with timing of moves/transitions (especially in terms of how music changes in-between rhythms), their partial step sequence was kind of 'shapeless' and not reflecting on all musical nuances (ACI premiere of the SD), they managed to introduce the program with entire new, fresh quality at SC competition and keep evolving it to the point we see now. When I look how risky the concept of this SD was at the beginning, in my opinion they really turned it around to make it quite accessible, effective vehicle and a great entertainment.

I think that the trickiest issue concerning 'Interpretation' bullet in PCS could be 'Timing' - it is never a certainty, if judges are perceiving music's timing the same way skaters/choreographers did it by program's design/execution;)

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'Earrings gate' or Tessa/Scott being named Canada flag bearers, Scott's comments after NHK about them knowing what went wrong in SD to receive levels they've received etc. - basically whatever they would do, everything goes twisted to show them as bitter, cheating people and to degrade them as skaters and competitors. Good thing is that they seems immune to those things, looking at their skating, confidence in performing and belief in their material and themselves in it, because the key thing for me (especially in relation to their FD) is that there is really no separation between them and their programs, for me both present them 'as they come', with dose of glamour and creation of course, but I've never felt them so personally invested into programs, making them so 'physical' to feel out. They always managed to create a great visuals, performances to re-watch, showcase their skill, but now it seems way more 'outspoken' per se, the material really mirror who they are NOW, not who they aspire to be or want to re-create on ice. And the fact that they enjoy every second of it, feeling more comfortable than ever in my opinion yet still being conscious about themselves helps enjoy them, their stuff even more, but at the same time - gives food to chomp on for critics. Sometimes, when I look at where is the focus of some people, it's a shame that they cannot simply enjoy skating happening at that level in their last competitive season (presumably) and the competition in ID itself like Tessa/Scott are doing it; myself, I can say that I've become way more 'invested' in the discipline in general than particular teams, because well - what a time to enjoy it, I'd say.

And it's simply great to see the response their TE performances have generated - to put things into wider context, video of their FD at Nationals (Brau Avitia channel) has now over 1,3 mln views, where 2-3 day ago it had around 200.000 views. It seems massive in my opinion. The interest about FD in particular is very real - all media attention, discussion over 'Moulin Rouge' choice, their interpretation of it, their lifts, boldness of whole thing really provoked people to talk about it. I really don't know, if this is their best ever program, how it fares among others, but I feel like this was the aim of it: to make people talk about it, think about that choice and try to understand it through their own vision of things presented on ice in a way they did it during Team Event.
 
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