I rather think it is today's political whirlwinds, to say no more.Not only were Mozart and Bach better, so was Haydn.
Edit: As for Plushenko, I think the reason that he does not get as much love as his haul of medals would justify, is that his on-ice personality was somewhat cool and distant.
The truth is I did not follow FS neither at Plushenko's peak, nor at Patrick's peak. I obviously knew then who Plushenko was. Never heard of Patrick Chan. And I do not mean to be mean. Just where I live his name did not make it outside the narrow FS fandom. Plushenko's name did. So did Yuzuru's.
Basketball in the U.S. is currently at a crossroads. The NBA logo for decades was a silhouuette of Jerry West, a star from the 1960s.
They have talked about adopting a new logo for years, but they didn't want to hurt West's feelings, who was still involved in basketball after his playinmg days were over. Mr. West passed away last month at age 86. Hoo, boy, here we go! The general consensus is that the new logo should be some version of the advertising logo of "Air Jrodans" (a brand of Nike basketball shoe endorsed by Michael.)
The point is Yuzuru's image is used for logos which are created ad hoc today, and for teasers of new season's competitions which are also newly compiled. It has nothing to do with what Mathman mentions. It is just a click bait, that's all.I very much doubt that the ISU or other officials who use Yuzu's image are in the least bit concerned about thatbut to be fair they have the rights to the images and no one can deny he is beautiful.....
Maybe yes, maybe no, but this interview proves nothing of the sort in the matter of the GOAT seeking. The only thing it proves is that Yuzuru was a very polite kid although shy of speaking English.
To be fair, Plushenko not only won a whole lot, he appeared at Eurovision as set decoration for Russia's only winning entry in 2008: 64 million people watched that live. (This year 163 million watched Eurovision by the way, maybe some of the European feds should try angling to get their best as set decoration next year).
I never watched Eurovision in my life. Surely, that was not the reason I heard of Plushenko. At his peak, he was just damn famous making it to the general news and being just one of those famous athletes in Europe.
From the transcript posted above by another poster of what Patrick said in Montreal it seems he had nice words to say about Dai to whom he would rarely lose, if any time at all, not so many nice words about Yuzuru, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Here comes what I was talking about.
Sorry, I disagree.I think certain kind of behaviour disqualifies you as a GOAT. You cannot be that bad a sport and claim to be the greatest of all time.
The part about who he beat more often was awkward, I agree. But it is natural to look up to a slightly older performer (Daisuke) whose skating Patrick had consciously emulated, more so than to he new kid on the block.
I do. So we differ.. Sorry, Mathman. I mean it.
Not that controversial to me. Nathan's skating is just so precisely executed. He always looks good on the ice, no matter from where you are looking. He had interesting programs and of course, very steady and high level technical content. To me, he is also one of the very balanced skaters. Some see him more like a quadster, I disagree... but eh, as you said, Controversial
Malice towards none, charity for all.
Yes there were. But what Patrick did was to bring the stable two quad long and the skating skills. Skaters like Jeff Buttle, Daisuke Takahashi and Stéphane Lambiel all had the great skating skills but they lacked stability with one of the main jumps (quad or 3A). When Patrick started winning his title, it was after 2 medals at worlds but without quads. The year he brought in the quads and won his first title, there was a big reaction within the skating world and commentators about the arrival, of a skater who could do it all. That's what Tracy Wilson (and many other commentators) have often referred to. It doesn't remove anything to anyone else who skated before or after. It's just a moment in time where Patrick had an edge (pun intended) on his competitors. What Yuzuru and Javier brought in was the stable two different quads. I am guessing I don't need to bring up everyone else's contribution. A lot of skaters this final years have raised the technical bar. It's obvious I am a Chan fan. I am not hiding it. At this point, I don't find many skaters to have a complete balance, so it does mean something important to me, that Patrick was recognized for that... I understand that many fans may have a different perception but i am generously sharing mine
I am not surprised that Plushenko was more famous in Europe.. Don't forget that Europeans have Euros which is a very important competition for skaters as opposed to 4CC. It certainly helps.
Totally, Plushenko was brilliant skater but somehow I couldn't feel the link with him, that I felt with skaters like Stanick Jeannette or Kevin van der Perren, who both were obviously less brilliant technically but you could see they skate because they like it. I think it's the same way some people prefered joyful Candeloro over focused Stojko, although Stojko could be like Candeloro, each time he succeeded in quadcombo, you could see how his joy of skating was immediately visible.Not only were Mozart and Bach better, so was Haydn.
Edit: As for Plushenko, I think the reason that he does not get as much love as his haul of medals would justify, is that his on-ice personality was somewhat cool and distant.
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When Patrick was at his peak I took a break from fs but still heard about him. I watched fs during Plushenko's logng career, yet I found almost every skater from top 10 at this time more intersting than Plushenko.
