I'm not sure what your point is? That this is not worth pursuing? That there's no collusion and Adelina was scored perfectly and fairly and everyone should just get over it?
The Judging Controversy Thread
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I'm not sure what your point is? That this is not worth pursuing? That there's no collusion and Adelina was scored perfectly and fairly and everyone should just get over it?
You know what. A lot of people except Russian think YuNa should have won.
Tons of articles from France,German,Canada,UK and US
even Italian commentators said YuNa should have won and Caro should have silver.
My Austrailian friend told their major journal wrote a article saying YuNa should have won in today morning.
Nevermind. I just saw it.
In addition to Yuna, Adelina was scored higher than Mao Asada and her jumps and Carolina and her artistry. Three very distinct and yet fantastic skaters who are world-class, and world-dominating, who have different strengths and weaknesses. And in one sweep of a program that wasn't even technically perfect, she defeated everyone universally. All of them. She's basically like God. She's that good, huh?
Quite a few people would disagree with you, but fine, you're entitled to your take.
Try tech panel that gave lvl 4 for Adelina's step sequence in SP (no one else received lvl 4), then gave everyone in top 4 level 4 except for Yuna (who received lvl 3 in both SP and FS). Yuna has consistently received lvl 4 for her step sequences last year. When she's still got her jumps, it's hard to believe she somehow lost her steps.
Consider automatic +3.0 GOE in every element in Adelina's routine. And PCS 9.75/9.75/9.75/9.5/9.5 and the like. Unless Adelina was actually an angel descended to Sochi to grace the Olympics, I find those scores hard to credit.
Well I would like to see the judges be public for the sake of disclosure. And it's always worth discussing how to improve the sport and that includes the scoring system. However, since I don't agree there was a conspiracy and I think the outcome was fair I'm not really coming from the same vantage point. I'm not going to jump in with others in their outrage over what they perceive to be an injustice that I don't think took place. I don't agree with the premise which inspired the thread but is this topic limited to those that believe or are sympathetic to the conspiracy angle?
First you stated that placements are what matters. Again with this predetermined ********, you put the order of the skaters in some fixed order, and then make up some random ******** numbers to pass off to the public and shove it down their throat.
We all know now that CoP was only created to cover up cheating more effectively than 6.0
None of the corrupt people were removed from figure skating. It's the exact same joke it was in 2002.
Please explain how Sotnikova went from 60, 60, 60, 60, to being named Olympian, to 69, to almost 75 in PCS.
Please explain how she scored 149.95 with a botched jump, worse choreography, and one less technical element than Kim's 2010 world record.
Please explain how some judges gave her higher PCS scores than Kostner, Asada, and essentially tied with Kim.
Please explain why you think it's ok to stress the degree of difficulty in the long programs, but you and your ilk make no mention of Yuna's higher degree of difficulty in the short program.
It's all just random made up numbers to cover for the rigged results that were determined before the competition.
Yes, The Courier Mail is major journal in Austrailia and they said YuNa was robbed.
I have opinions of my own. Is this a contest about so and so said this and these newspapers said that?
There are plenty of stories that support my view too. Journalists from the Washington Post, New Yorker, LA Times former Kwan aficionado Diane Pucin among others have supported the result.
Good. You guys can all go and continue to spread your propaganda while millions of people continue to petition for an investigation. Thank you. Have a good day.
Yeah,
Today's Washington Post.
Her component marks were as high as Kim’s, but the idea that Sotnikova is anywhere as close to an artist as Kim is laughable. They are both good, yes, but there are levels of good. One is good in the way you call your grandmother a good dancer because she does the cha-cha slide at the family reunion. The other is a prima ballerina.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...kova-beat-kim-yu-na-because-of-russiaflation/
Yet again these don't cry out conspiracy to me either.
People act like Adelina has skated the same. This is a girl whose execution and spills have become legendary. She was the future of the sport one year and written off the next because she could rarely execute. Well on this night she did. They're not scoring these skaters relative to what they did at other competitions. They're being scored relative to each other on this occasion.
People act like Adelina has skated the same. This is a girl whose execution and spills have become legendary. She was the future of the sport one year and written off the next because she could rarely execute. Well on this night she did. They're not scoring these skaters relative to what they did at other competitions. They're being scored relative to each other on this occasion.
and LA TIMES.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/olymp...schke-20140221,0,4308145.column#axzz2txu2rOcn
Some would call it scandal, others would call it skating, but common sense would call what happened at the Iceberg Skating Palace just plain wrong. Scandal or skating? You decide. As for Kim, by the time they finally let her skate, she gave a flawless performance that should have been enough to keep the crown. She did one fewer jump than Sotnikova, which cost her technically and accounted for the difference in the overall scores. But Sotnikova stepped out of one of her jumps, and, though she was more aggressive than Kim, she wasn't nearly as artistic. Kim was beauty, Sotnikova was brash, and the result seemed clear the moment Kim finished. Kim had surely become only the third woman to win more than one Olympic title. But then the scores were flashed and her gold disappeared and everything became murky.
LoL. Only in your dream.
My propaganda?
http://www.outoffocus.org/outoffocus/2004/07/one_mans_propag.html
I'm supposed to feel wrong or insecure because I'm supposedly outnumbered? Korea has a population of 50 million. Not to say that... you know... the outrage and conspiracy minded aren't global too.
She scored 149.95 ... the world record is 150.06 with 1 entire more element. She botched a jump, had junior choreography, and nowhere near world record level skating skills...and yet she scored 0.11 from the world record. With one less element. That immediately should set off every red flag alone that the judging was corrupt.
Then you go and look at the protocols....9.75 ... 9.75 ... this is a girl who scored higher PCS than Mao Asada and Carolina Kostner, and essentially tied Kim. These are the components meant to score artistry and skating skills, where Adelina is not in the top 3 in the world on this night or any other night ... and yet the results were clearly fixed and rigged to anyone with two eyes and a scoresheet in front of them.
You say it's all about the jumps ... well then what about Kostner? Did she not do 7 triples? What about Asada? Did she not do 8 with a triple axle? And Sotnikova beat them both by 7.
You look at everything across the entire scorecard and it's obvious that the CoP was completely disregarded, and the "storyline" being used by the corridor is "7 triples vs. 6 triples". The short program difficulty...disregarded. All of the components marks, grade of executions, all of the other elements, everything ... disregarded. The entire scoring system ... disregarded. And then "7 vs. 6" shoved down everyone's throat by the Corridor Propaganda Machine.
We have our own eyes. We don't need Scott Hamilton, or Brian Boitano to tell us what to think. We didn't need them to have 2 million people sign a petition. That didn't happen because Scott Hamilton and NBC told us to do it. It happened because we all have our own eyes and we all know EXACTLY what happened.
If the idiots on NBC and other news outlets want to continue to be completely out of touch. Then fine, as I said, have a good day. Live with yourself, if you can.
In the meantime, we will continue to demand justice be done.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2s127ag.jpg
Yes yes, a girl whose execution and spills have become legendary.
A girl whose execution and spills have become legendary.. all of a sudden.
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Yes is which is why every country that covered the event outside of Russia and the U.S (who are scared of being blamed for ruining the sport even further after their SLC joke) called her win a farce including past legends or elite skaters of the sport like Witt, Browning, Fontana, Cousins, etc....
Wall Street Journal
Sotnikova vs. Kim: Making Sense of Sochi's Skategate
Breaking Down Figure Skating's Latest Controversy
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...404579397190971715598.html?KEYWORDS=skategate
Sotnikova vs. Kim: Making Sense of Sochi's Skategate
Breaking Down Figure Skating's Latest Controversy
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...404579397190971715598.html?KEYWORDS=skategate
