The Judging Controversy Thread

[kslr0816]

Seems getting the medal has motivated her to compete even more. Well at least we know she has no plans of retiring any time soon. More power to her. After this highly disputed win she's definitely going to need some titles to fall back on...

not only that, i think the controversy will drive her further as well - at least, to legitimize the gold she won in Sochi. good for her, she's got the competitive fire. still don't think she deserved a 149.95

 

[sarahmistral]

Yay! Great to be back and to "see" you again, Mathman! Always count on you for sensible posts that are logical and that take a step back from the vitriol and keep this whole, fun pursuit in the proper real-world perspective -- and, of course, the delightful welcome dance

 

[UnChosen]

Seems getting the medal has motivated her to compete even more. Well at least we know she has no plans of retiring any time soon. More power to her. After this highly disputed win she's definitely going to need some titles to fall back on...

Assuming she wins more title with her PCS back at the normal level. Patrick Chan has many many questionable medals where falls twice and still win.

 

[moviechick]

If they're gonna do anything, they should do it asap. In a few days, most people will have forgotten about this and the media attention is what pushed the SLC scandal.

 

[usethis2]

Also - I felt my eyes getting cramped when Mao finished her FS in a magnificent fashion. I cannot imagine the pain the girl had gone through. It was truly a victory of humanity, displayed for the world to see. It is incredulous that her skating is inferior to Yulia's to the judges' eyes. We are talking here about Mao Asada, who has been the top skater for almost a decade. And I am not even a big fan of Mao.

 

[Ophelia]

^Now imagine Julia's PCS without her 2 mistakes.

 

[sarahmistral]

Hi, Saramistral, wercome back!

Yay! Great to be back and to "see" you again, Mathman! Always count on you for sensible posts that are logical and that take a step back from the vitriol and keep this whole, fun pursuit in the proper real-world perspective -- and, of course, the delightful welcome dance (sorry all for the repost; forgot to 'reply with quote')

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Come on pangtong, grow up. Save the childish name-calling for the judges, not the skater.

I agree. pangtongfan is going on a spree of Sotnikova hate, with posts left-right-and-centre, and new threads galore. He's making sky_fly look like she actually exercises restraint when it comes to hating Canadians or praising Gracie Gold.

 

[MK's Winter]

I posted something similar on twitter. Now I have a different theory all together. Depending on how bad this gets, and I think that a very strong message will be sent to Adelina to not compete at World's and effectively retire ala Tara and Hughes. There's not much else for her to accomplish having had the biggest victory in her career. OGM, home ice, first Russian woman to win OGM, living up to being the "face" of Sochi Olympics after having it temporarily taken away by her main rival Yulia, beating a legend by 5 points, having 2 skates of her life. If I was advising her, I would say sit out the rest of the season. As much as I love World's, it is in a month? She'll be wined and dined by every Russian plutocrat for the rest of her life. Without having to suffer at the hands of figure skating judges.

I would hate to see that happen. She is only 17 and has so much more to offer. I may not agree with the result but I do think she belonged on the podium. Not competing in the team event really lit a fire in her, I imagine people doubting her will too. There is still room for her to grow as artist.

 

[Petitefleur]

1.7 million especially in South Korea , where Yuna is considered as a queen !
I was thinking that Yuna would have being better coached by Orser..

 

[oscar]

I am surprised at the overwhelming criticism of the ladies judging. We all know it is subjective but the new system is a huge improvement over the old. Nobody is penalized if if they have to skate early. A skater does not have to be in the top three to win and there is actual evidence showing how the scores are derived.I think if the writers and commentators and some people on the forum would try to understand how the system works there would be less anger. For example Yuna did one less triple than Adelina. That is a lot of points and could have been the difference between first and second. It also seems some people are more angry at Russia than the judging.

 

[usethis2]

Same here. I feel terrible for Adelina because I've thought her future is so bright. The system and the people did disservice to every skater.

 

[UnChosen]

If they're gonna do anything, they should do it asap. In a few days, most people will have forgotten about this and the media attention is what pushed the SLC scandal.

I would rather they focus on getting the Worlds judging correct. If they carry the inflated Olympics reputation over like they often do it pretty much guarantees Lipnitskaya and Sotnikova gold and silver regardless of what everyone else do.

I doubt Yuna Kim would be happy getting a gold medal only after a huge controversy anyways.

 

[treeloving]

I think the most serious issue is how can Mao doesn't win LP? At least Adelina can make a case of beating Yuna and Caro as she has better tes. But Mao has better base value even with ur which should make up for the GOE on jump and if you talk about Adelina has more fire than Yuna and Kostner (which I agree) then Mao has more than anyone. Also Yulia beat Mao in PCS and Gold 1 point behind her is just a crime.

One thing I would like to say is Adelina is not the only one who is overscored here (Plushenko, anyone?, Lipnitskaya), it is sad that she has to take all the consequences.

 

[cooper]

I am surprised at the overwhelming criticism of the ladies judging. We all know it is subjective but the new system is a huge improvement over the old. Nobody is penalized if if they have to skate early. A skater does not have to be in the top three to win and there is actual evidence showing how the scores are derived.I think if the writers and commentators and some people on the forum would try to understand how the system works there would be less anger. For example Yuna did one less triple than Adelina. That is a lot of points and could have been the difference between first and second. It also seems some people are more angry at Russia than the judging.

well, when you have a cheater in the judging panel, some will be asking why?? i don't know if it's deliberate or not..

 

[leafygreens]

"Yes, I am the Olympic champion, but this is not the end of it," Sotnikova said Friday, a day after giving Russia its first Olympic gold in women's figure skating. "I want all the gold that there is out there, everything that exists in figure skating. In all events, in all competitions."

I want a ball
I want a party
Pink macaroons and a million balloons
And performing baboons and ...
Give it to me
Rrhh rhhh
Now!

I want the world
I want the whole world
I want to lock it all up in my pocket
It's my bar of chocolate
Give it to me
Now!

I want today
I want tomorrow
I want to wear 'em like braids in my hair
And I don't want to share 'em

I want a party with room fulls of laughter
Ten thousand tons of ice cream
And if I don't get the things I am after
I'm going to scream!

I want the works
I want the whole works
Presents and prizes and sweets and surprises
Of all shapes and sizes
And now
Don't care how
I want it now
Don't care how
I want it now

 

[usethis2]

I am surprised at the overwhelming criticism of the ladies judging. We all know it is subjective but the new system is a huge improvement over the old. Nobody is penalized if if they have to skate early. A skater does not have to be in the top three to win and there is actual evidence showing how the scores are derived.I think if the writers and commentators and some people on the forum would try to understand how the system works there would be less anger. For example Yuna did one less triple than Adelina. That is a lot of points and could have been the difference between first and second. It also seems some people are more angry at Russia than the judging.

Kim was penalized for skating early in the SP if the performance were to be judged by merits, including technical difficulty. (although looking back, it may have not mattered anyway) Yuna had the most difficult combo in the SP and her performance was majestic. It surely topped the "Bond girl" she did in 2010. Yet her mark was lower and virtually equal to easier program of Adelina. I still haven't even heard of an explanation attempt for step sequence levels bestowed. Adelina got level 4 in SP. No one else did. In the FS, where the picture became clearer, everyone in the top 4 received level 4 except for Yuna who received level 3 in both SP and FS.

 

[Ven]

Same here. I feel terrible for Adelina because I've thought her future is so bright. The system and the people did disservice to every skater.

Yes, it's a disservice to Adelina too. She will probably be celebrated in Russia, but in the skating world and internationally, most people will focus on the judging scandal, whereas if the judging was fair, everyone would have celebrated her bronze medal and thought her the favorite in 4 years.

 

[tulosai]

I am surprised at the overwhelming criticism of the ladies judging. We all know it is subjective but the new system is a huge improvement over the old. Nobody is penalized if if they have to skate early. A skater does not have to be in the top three to win and there is actual evidence showing how the scores are derived.I think if the writers and commentators and some people on the forum would try to understand how the system works there would be less anger. For example Yuna did one less triple than Adelina. That is a lot of points and could have been the difference between first and second. It also seems some people are more angry at Russia than the judging.

I understand FULLY how the system works, as do many, in fact probably most people who post here. To actually seek out a figure skating forum and post regularly, you usually have to be more than a casual fan. And I agree that GENERALLY it is an improvement over the old system.

However, the idea that you are not punished for skating early is ridiculous. How else do you explain Mao Asada's PCS yesterday? The idea that she would have received those same PCS were she in the top 6 is utterly laughable. And if she actually would have (which she wouldn't) the system would be broken beyond recognition since clearly all the judges would have gone blind.

In addition, most people are not complaining about the TES. we understand that Adelina did more triples and harder spins than Yuna. We are discussing the fact that her PCS were higher than Carolina Kostner's and essentially equal with Yuna's. We are discussing the fact that her score rose 20 points from Europeans (surely if this judging system was all objective and perfect her scores would have been very similar, as the performances were quite similar). Now of course you can't 'compare scores across competitions' but actually, if the system was so objective and great, you should be able to.

 

[moviechick]

I think the most serious issue is how can Mao doesn't win LP? At least Adelina can make a case of beating Yuna and Caro as she has better tes. But Mao has better base value even with ur which should make up for the GOE on jump and if you talk about Adelina has more fire than Yuna and Kostner (which I agree) then Mao has more than anyone. Also Yulia beat Mao in PCS and Gold 1 point behind her is just a crime.

One thing I would like to say is Adelina is not the only one who is overscored here (Plushenko, anyone?, Lipnitskaya), it is sad that she has to take all the consequences.

Cause no one really cares about the people who aren't on the podium even if their scores don't make sense. They didn't gain anything from it other than a slightly higher placement that's really irrelevant anyways. And in the team event, it's not like any of those scores made a difference in the podium order.