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I just watched 2 Israeli women skate at Euro's this morning????
Yes I’m sorry. I was reading the Euros thread and someone said one didn’t WD because she was training in the US. I’m assuming the other one did as well. But I’m not about to go read those many pages again. If they were wrong I am also wrong. 😀
 
Well for what it's worth we are trending down in NY so there's that.
They say “everyone will get it eventually.” I think that’s an overstatement. But in this case it’s not a matter of getting it or not. It’s a matter of getting it at a time it can derail your life’s work
 
That's such a weird thing to me because the USA did better in ladies/women when they supported their younger skaters. Michelle, Tara, Sarah, Sasha were all allowed senior opportunies as teenagers.
They are supporting Ilya. He is being sent to Senior Worlds, which means he is also being sent somewhere else to get his minimums. It’s odd to say he “isn’t being supported” when he’s being sent to at least 2 more senior competitions this year.

He’s already had a Senior opportunity. At CS Austria.
 
Is this just a skating thing? I’ve never heard a pewter medal called “chocolate.”
Maybe it's a french speaking people thing?
Here are an article and another in which 4th place at olys is called chocolate medal (they are in french, use google translate if you don't understand).

4th for any competition, it can be a school competion, is called chocolate medal (even if there is no actual medal). Now if you took offense because i used an expression of common language, i quote you "denigrating other people’s accomplishments.", you can stay offended.
 
Maybe it's a french speaking people thing?
Here are an article and another in which 4th place at olys is called chocolate medal (they are in french, use google translate if you don't understand).

4th for any competition, it can be a school competion, is called chocolate medal (even if there is no actual medal). Now if you took offense because i used an expression of common language, i quote you "denigrating other people’s accomplishments.", you can stay offended.
Not offended in the least. Always enjoy hearing about language use in other countries.:)
 
I believe Jason was picked based on the criteria, rather than any favoritism. But I still think it was a poor decision, whether driven by criteria or not. Based on his skates, it is not difficult to imagine Ilia WINNING the Olympics (if other skaters make mistakes), or the American men sweeping the podium. Him on the team would also relieve some of the pressure on Nathan/Vincent for the team events. Much as I like Jason and value the artistic quality he brings to the sport, he is both less helpful to the team and less likely to win an individual medal.

A small cynical part of me wonders if this may be a ploy to keep Ilia skating for the next quad. If he were to medal at the Olympics perhaps he wouldn’t stick around or have the same drive, and that would be an absolute disaster for US figure skating particularly given the state of the female field. The decision may give him a drive similar to Nathan’s after Nathan’s last Olympic experience.
 
I believe Jason was picked based on the criteria, rather than any favoritism. But I still think it was a poor decision, whether driven by criteria or not. Based on his skates, it is not difficult to imagine Ilia WINNING the Olympics (if other skaters make mistakes), or the American men sweeping the podium. Him on the team would also relieve some of the pressure on Nathan/Vincent for the team events. Much as I like Jason and value the artistic quality he brings to the sport, he is both less helpful to the team and less likely to win an individual medal.

A small cynical part of me wonders if this may be a ploy to keep Ilia skating for the next quad. If he were to medal at the Olympics perhaps he wouldn’t stick around or have the same drive, and that would be an absolute disaster for US figure skating particularly given the state of the female field. The decision may give him a drive similar to Nathan’s after Nathan’s last Olympic experience.
It is EXTREMELY difficult for me to imagine Ilya winning the Olympics. One good score (domestic even) does not an Olympic champion make.

Sweeping the event? In front of the Japanese men and Kolyada? Maybe if they don’t show up?
 
Maybe it's a french speaking people thing?
Here are an article and another in which 4th place at olys is called chocolate medal (they are in french, use google translate if you don't understand).

4th for any competition, it can be a school competion, is called chocolate medal (even if there is no actual medal). Now if you took offense because i used an expression of common language, i quote you "denigrating other people’s accomplishments.", you can stay offended.

I don't want those who can't read the articles in French and rely on Google translate to be misled.

I had thought you saying that "Chocolate medals" was a neutral term to describe an actual pewter medal. I did not even consider the French term "médailles de chocolat/en chocolat". I am sorry I misunderstood.

1. The term "médailles de chocolat" is not merely a neutral descriptor of a pewter medal. In the articles linked for example, the tone of the article is, oh, poor Belgium, pays du chocolat, always getting fourth place, not getting "real" medals but chocolate medals. France only got a chocolate medal, because they were in fourth place. That is the use of the term in French for sports that do not have pewter medals.

2. The French use "Medaille étain" for the pewter medal in those sports that award one (makes sense the French word for pewter is étain). As in the caption for this photo:


(Vincent Zhou remporte la médaille étain au championnat de patinage artistique/ Vincent Zhou wins the silver medal at the figure skating championships)

3. So I am back to where I was originally. A pewter medal as awarded by USFS is a real medal, awarded for a 4th place finish. Not a "chocolate medal" as that term is used in French, to describe an athlete who came in fourth but got no medal at all.

Although all medals should be made of chocolate.🍫🍫🍫
 
Based on his skates, it is not difficult to imagine Ilia WINNING the Olympics (if other skaters make mistakes), or the American men sweeping the podium.
Based on his skates this season I find that very difficult to imagine. He won’t get nearly the same scores internationally even if he skates perfect fair or not. I think the most likely podium is Nathan and 2 Japanese men. I think Vincent has a shot to sneak in. A lot of guys have to bomb before Ilia would have a shot at gold and that’s with a perfect skate. I would not wish for that. I’m hoping for a good event not splatfest.
 
A small cynical part of me wonders if this may be a ploy to keep Ilia skating for the next quad. If he were to medal at the Olympics perhaps he wouldn’t stick around or have the same drive, and that would be an absolute disaster for US figure skating particularly given the state of the female field. The decision may give him a drive similar to Nathan’s after Nathan’s last Olympic experience.
I don't think that's the case. Ilya would not win the Olympics and I don't think any result there (aside from winning) would lead him to retire. The pick isn't really inconsistent with how the USFSA has made these decisions. I think the last time they left a decorated skater off the team was 1996, when they went with Tara Lipinski over reigning WBMist Nicole Bobek (who was injured and did not complete Nationals). Tara didn't do well at Worlds but the experience of skating a great LP there helped her gain confidence for the following seasons when she won the sport's biggest prizes. I'd prefer to see more of these types of selections, but there doesn't seem to be much of an appetite for them by either the USFSA or the fans who want to see their favorites compete as often as possible.
 
I don't want those who can't read the articles in French and rely on Google translate to be misled.

I had thought you saying that "Chocolate medals" was a neutral term to describe an actual pewter medal. I did not even consider the French term "médailles de chocolat/en chocolat". I am sorry I misunderstood.

1. The term "médailles de chocolat" is not merely a neutral descriptor of a pewter medal. In the articles linked for example, the tone of the article is, oh, poor Belgium, pays du chocolat, always getting fourth place, not getting "real" medals but chocolate medals. France only got a chocolate medal, because they were in fourth place. That is the use of the term in French for sports that do not have pewter medals.

2. The French use "Medaille étain" for the pewter medal in those sports that award one (makes sense the French word for pewter is étain). As in the caption for this photo:


(Vincent Zhou remporte la médaille étain au championnat de patinage artistique/ Vincent Zhou wins the silver medal at the figure skating championships)

3. So I am back to where I was originally. A pewter medal as awarded by USFS is a real medal, awarded for a 4th place finish. Not a "chocolate medal" as that term is used in French, to describe an athlete who came in fourth but got no medal at all.

Although all medals should be made of chocolate.🍫🍫🍫
D'accord (y)
 
It is EXTREMELY difficult for me to imagine Ilya winning the Olympics. One good score (domestic even) does not an Olympic champion make.

Sweeping the event? In front of the Japanese men and Kolyada? Maybe if they don’t show up?
Yet, he's so far advanced of Jason. He has both technological and performance skills. Jason is beautiful, but he has the luxury of being that way because he is not trying to put the more difficult jumps into his programs.
 
Maybe it's a french speaking people thing?
Here are an article and another in which 4th place at olys is called chocolate medal (they are in french, use google translate if you don't understand).

4th for any competition, it can be a school competion, is called chocolate medal (even if there is no actual medal). Now if you took offense because i used an expression of common language, i quote you "denigrating other people’s accomplishments.", you can stay offended.
Can confirm that it is a French idiom for fourth place, or rather the first place to not win a medal (usually said tongue in cheek).
 
Sorry no. I don't agree with the selection, but Jason had no role in that decision.

No matter what his potential may be, medal or otherwise, he has dreams like everyone else. He made the team, end of story.

Edit: I want to make this VERY CLEAR. The problems I have with the process should not, in any way, be construed to mean I have problems with the skaters themselves. We all have different opinions about the selection process, the interpretation of the criteria, etc... And that's fair game for discussion and debate, but Jason and Ilia... or Nathan, Vincent, Camden, Jimmy, etc... do not deserve to be dragged.
Fully agree with this. I think it's a terrible decision that Ilia was left off the team but it is absolutely not fair to even suggest that Jason or Vincent should not accept their nomination.
 
Can confirm that it is a French idiom for fourth place, or rather the first place to not win a medal (usually said tongue in cheek).

Glad to see I haven't lost all my French:biggrin:. I love languages, so can I ask since you have a Canadian flag, is it also used that way in Québec?

And Jason won the médaille étain. ;)
 
Yet, he's so far advanced of Jason. He has both technological and performance skills. Jason is beautiful, but he has the luxury of being that way because he is not trying to put the more difficult jumps into his programs.

Absolutely not true. It is not a luxury, but incredibly hard work that Jason puts in to allow him to maximize every technical point and every performance point. Ilia is indeed "advanced" on Jason when it comes to one element of jumps.

Jason is far more than "beautiful", but an elite athlete. He simply has a different skill set than that of Ilia.
 
Really? A ploy to keep Ilia skating for the next quad? He’s 16.
So was Tara when she won the Olympics. She retired immediately. Anyway I said it was a small cynical part of me, I don’t believe that was the reason but it did cross my mind that keeping him from the Olympics may be financially better for US skating than letting him go and possibly do well.

As for whether he would medal/win, only two skaters have 300+ combined scores and one of them is in who knows what shape. Everybody else is equally like to splatfest as do well. If Nathan has a repeat of 2018 and everybody has has 1-2 falls over two programs, it is absolutely technically possible he could win, age and lack of experience notwithstanding. It’s silly to say it is difficult to imagine how someone with a four-five quad long program can win.
 
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