US Worlds and Four Continents Teams?

[cptnhastings]

I kinda think Jeremy will retire post Olympics, and Jason will end up subbing for him. Putting Max on the Worlds outright ensures that he will keep training 100%. I'm guessing they think all the women are definitely going to Worlds and not retiring. Just my speculation.

 

[wordsworthgirl]

I concur with everyone who's baffled as to why Max Aaron was given Worlds over Jason Brown- this just makes no sense at all to me. Brown had a better season internationally than Aaron and beat him fair and square at Nationals. I would have put Mirai on the Olympic team over Polina, but could have accepted that. Not giving Mirai Worlds at all is wrong, and it is especially wrong in light of Aaron's going over Brown.

 

[wordsworthgirl]

I kinda think Jeremy will retire post Olympics, and Jason will end up subbing for him. Putting Max on the Worlds outright ensures that he will keep training 100%. I'm guessing they think all the women are definitely going to Worlds and not retiring. Just my speculation.

I hope Jeremy DOES go to Worlds and wins a medal! It will probably be his best chance for a prestigious international medal ever. Of course, I'm hoping he medals at the Olympics, but if not, winning one at Worlds could be sweet redemption and a wonderful end to his amateur career.

 

[b-man]

*** is this ****.

I'm done! Give her the ******* olympics and now worlds too when mirai proved she's in way better form than that girl?

Bye **** skating

**** you
**** you stupid skating team full of bs and manipulation.

**** you

so ******* disgusting

You shoved disappointment part 1 in my face now part 2 ?

Pretty much agree, Mirai4life. I just drove 900 miles to Boston, Primaily to see Mirai, see her skate well and have a shot at the Olympics. Too bad she is stuck in a federation that couldn't care less if she skates well. This bunch in Colo. Springs is starting to stink like the Karoli's back room deals in gymnastics.

 

[brightphoton]

Even though there is zero chance of Nagasu giving up her American citizenship, going to the Japanese skating federation is no better. Funny that Mirai watched Akiko with tears streaming down her face, because that same Akiko bumped Yukari Nakano off the 2008 Olympic team. I'm having trouble remembering the exact placements, but I think Nakano got 3rd and Suzuki got 5th.

 

[mikeko666]

Even though there is zero chance of Nagasu giving up her American citizenship, going to the Japanese skating federation is no better. Funny that Mirai watched Akiko with tears streaming down her face, because that same Akiko bumped Yukari Nakano off the 2008 Olympic team. I'm having trouble remembering the exact placements, but I think Nakano got 3rd and Suzuki got 5th.

There were no winter Olympic games in 2008. Suzuki finished 2nd at 2009 National. Stop posting lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–2010_Japan_Figure_Skating_Championships

 

[seniorita]

Do they have any excuses that they dont send Mirai to Worlds since she is the bronze medalist?

 

[ice coverage]

I concur with everyone who's baffled as to why Max Aaron was given Worlds over Jason Brown- this just makes no sense at all to me. Brown had a better season internationally than Aaron and beat him fair and square at Nationals.

I am not baffled. I would say that this season's international results for Max and Jason were more or less in the same ballpark.

Max won in Salt Lake. Jason placed 2nd at Nebelhorn.

When they went head to head at Skate America, Max placed 3rd; Jason 5th.

Jason was 3rd at TEB; Max was 7th at NHK.​

Even though Jason's placement at Nats won him the second Sochi spot, my interpretation of Max's assignment to Worlds is that USFS values him too (and would have been happy to give him a third Sochi spot, if only it were available).

Plus the combo of Max and Jeremy at Worlds perhaps seemed more favorable than Jason and Jeremy for attempting to earn back three spots.
Max placed 7th at Worlds last year. Jeremy's most recent showing was 8th; and his best was 5th. Jason would be an unknown quantity.

Changing the subject:

Intriguing that on the USFS website, the announcement has a question mark next to Denney/Coughlin for Worlds.​

 

[cinnamon]

I think Mirai should go to Japan to train under Nobuo Sato. When she was younger Japanese Federation was very much interested in having her. Now it's a good time to go. She can still compete in Worlds as American right? If things are going well there and she will decide to be a Japanese, probably it won't be so hard, for her parents are Japanese.
As for this season's Worlds, someone might not go there and Mirai could be there, in Japan. (It will be nice to see.)

 

[NMURA]

Mirai will be welcome if she wants to compete for Japan. Kanako Murakami won't be competing long. No one can be trusted save for Miyahara until current novices move up to the senior. Mirai doesn't need to move to Japan. Just do as Daisuke Murakami does. Even he has a sponsor from Japan.

 

[samson]

Ok I'm willing to be Zen and accepting about the Olympics decision. It was a crappy lose-lose kind of situation that happened there, but I'm pissed Mirai is not on the World Team. I mean really!

If they're so worried about three qualifiers then switch out Polina and send her to junior worlds. Something... just something, tells me Polina will recover from such a disappointment after going to Sochi. It's not like sending a team of Wagner, Gold, Nagasu to worlds would make the USFSA process look any more... I don't even know the word... than it already looks.

I guess the consolation I'll take out of this is the beautiful 3 performances Mirai gave us this weekend and the class she showed, while also showing her authenticity and unique spirit that endears many fans to her, both on and off the ice. At the very least she'll be at 4CC. Mirai seems to be a late season skater, so hopefully we'll see her build even more from her performance at Nationals and continue to make a strong case for her recognition as a competitor and member of the US Team.

 

[noidont]

I get the impression for some reason Frank C. and Polina just won't give up a Worlds spot, and neither would Ashley's team. This is all about seizing power and Mirai's only fault is to have no one behind her. If it had been Zawadzki in her position she would definitely at least get a Worlds spot. Gao too I think, though not certain. But if it had been Cesario, Hicks or some such skaters with non powerful coach, then probably the same fate as Mirai. Hurting a skater is temporary as they come and go. Agonizing Frank C. would mean no last minute Gracie Gold makeover next time, thus less sponsorship deals for the USFSA.

Paying for an expensive coach is all worth it! I see a big flux of skaters flocking to California next season. If I were Mirai Nagasu I would just go cry and cry and cry in front of every media who is willing to watch. Nothing beats that media image of a sweet girl's dream being crushed by some villain sports organization. All the NBC Sochi ads are family friendly stuff like "here is a little girl's dream to go to the Olympics one day, and she eats our peanut butter." They might not like this storyline and on a lucky day will even step in to help.

 

[karne]

*shrugs* I don't get the controversy over the ladies' selections. Nagasu has a major technical flaw that would see her eaten alive by a strict Olympic panel. Do her fans REALLY want to see that, or would you all start whinging again about "phantom URs"?

 

[NMURA]

Mirai would have a big boost by a lenient Olympic panel, just like she had at Vancouver (if she could sneak into the final flight).

 

[brightphoton]

There were no winter Olympic games in 2008. Suzuki finished 2nd at 2009 National. Stop posting lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–2010_Japan_Figure_Skating_Championships

Ah, right, Nakano was 3rd, less than a half point behind Suzuki (2nd). Very slim margin, and Nakano was left off the Olympic team again, and in favor of Suzuki.

Anyway, only thought it was kind of interesting that Mirai admired Akiko so much at the Japanese Nationals, even though essentially 4 years ago Suzuki "took" Nakano's spot. By "took" I mean a significant number of people thought Yukari should've gone instead of Akiko. Yes, I do think Edmunds and Nagasu are a poor woman's Suzuki and Nakano, but there you have it.

 

[BlackAxel]

Ah, right, Nakano was 3rd, less than a half point behind Suzuki (2nd). Very slim margin, and Nakano was left off the Olympic team again, and in favor of Suzuki.

Anyway, only thought it was kind of interesting that Mirai admired Akiko so much at the Japanese Nationals, even though essentially 4 years ago Suzuki "took" Nakano's spot. By "took" I mean a significant number of people thought Yukari should've gone instead of Akiko. Yes, I do think Edmunds and Nagasu are a poor woman's Suzuki and Nakano, but there you have it.

Hmmm, Suzuki received the gold medal at Cup of China and she came in 5th place at Skate Canada. While Nakano received the bronze medal and a 4th place finish at NHk Trophy. Suzuki qualified for the Grand Prix Final that year and she received the bronze medal. Still dont understand why Nakano deserved the spot over Suzuki ...

 

[leafygreens]

I concur with everyone who's baffled as to why Max Aaron was given Worlds over Jason Brown- this just makes no sense at all to me. Brown had a better season internationally than Aaron and beat him fair and square at Nationals. I would have put Mirai on the Olympic team over Polina, but could have accepted that. Not giving Mirai Worlds at all is wrong, and it is especially wrong in light of Aaron's going over Brown.

Not to mention, Jason beat Max by 10 points, and yet Jason gets bumped for Worlds. Mirai beats Ashley by 8 points, and gets nothing.

 

[mikeko666]

Ah, right, Nakano was 3rd, less than a half point behind Suzuki (2nd). Very slim margin, and Nakano was left off the Olympic team again, and in favor of Suzuki.

Anyway, only thought it was kind of interesting that Mirai admired Akiko so much at the Japanese Nationals, even though essentially 4 years ago Suzuki "took" Nakano's spot. By "took" I mean a significant number of people thought Yukari should've gone instead of Akiko. Yes, I do think Edmunds and Nagasu are a poor woman's Suzuki and Nakano, but there you have it.

Again, stop posting lies just because you dislike Suzuki. She won Bronze at GPF that season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–2010_Grand_Prix_of_Figure_Skating_Final

Yukari Nakano at 2009 Nationals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MRR9P8t9TY

Akiko Suzuki at 2009 Nationals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRxmO0kkCo

JSF actually tried really hard to send Nakano to Vancouver because they were heavily criticized for sacrificing her in order to send Miki Ando to Turin in 2006. Nagakubo, Suzuki's coach thought she was going to lose when he saw the judge panel at the Nationals.

 

[tulosai]

Not to mention, Jason beat Max by 10 points, and yet Jason gets bumped for Worlds. Mirai beats Ashley by 8 points, and gets nothing.

I am a big Mirai fan but honestly I don't think these two things are comparable. To maximize our chances of 3 spots next year, it is clear Ashley should be sent to Worlds. If someone should have been bumped for Mirai in terms of Worlds, it is Edmunds who quite logically and happily could have been sent to JW. It is very unclear which 2 men might maximize our chances of 3 spots. In addition, while Jason and Max's international results are comparable, Mirai and Ashley's are not. While it's true Ashley has had more international opportunities than Mirai in recent years, she largely earned those by outperforming Mirai.

In the past 2 years, Ashley has 3 golds and 1 silver on the GP, and a GPF silver and bronze. Mirai has two bronze medals, a 4th place finish (not bad, true), and an 8th place finish. She has not gone to the GPF. Ashley has placed 5th and 4th at Worlds, Nagasu unfortunately has not qualified for Worlds (or, frankly, come close). These are facts, as stated by a huge Mirai fan. Ashley also won 4CC in 2012. Mirai has not been to 4CC since 2011 (perhaps unfairly, but still a fact). There cannot possibly be any doubt whatsoever that Ashley is more likely to help us keep 3 spots for next year than Mirai, I am sorry.

 

[Mrs. P]

I am not baffled. I would say that this season's international results for Max and Jason were more or less in the same ballpark.

Max won in Salt Lake. Jason placed 2nd at Nebelhorn.

When they went head to head at Skate America, Max placed 3rd; Jason 5th.

Jason was 3rd at TEB; Max was 7th at NHK.​

Even though Jason's placement at Nats won him the second Sochi spot, my interpretation of Max's assignment to Worlds is that USFS values him too (and would have been happy to give him a third Sochi spot, if only it were available).

Plus the combo of Max and Jeremy at Worlds perhaps seemed more favorable than Jason and Jeremy for attempting to earn back three spots.
Max placed 7th at Worlds last year. Jeremy's most recent showing was 8th; and his best was 5th. Jason would be an unknown quantity.

Changing the subject:

Intriguing that on the USFS website, the announcement has a question mark next to Denney/Coughlin for Worlds.​

As I said in a different thread, Max skated quite well at Nationals and had the highest TES of the field in the FS with 93+. And Max has scored 172+ internationally; while Jason's SB in the FS is 158+ Now I have no doubt that if he turns in the programs he did at Nationals at the Olympics, Jason's scores will be much higher, but I don't think he'll get 182+ internationally. The Nationals judges were giving him GOE like candy (though to an extent they were deserved) but no doubt Olympic/Worlds judges are going to be more stingy with GOE, plus without a quad he doesn't get a boost in the PCS scores that others will get.

I say with a perfect performance in both segments Jason can score 170-ish in the free, 85-86 in the short. Max with higher TES could score 80 something in the short as well. Remember that he has yet to do a clean SP internationally, so we haven't seen his score celing.

Everyone knows I'm a huge Jason uber, but I really can't debate this one too much.

Besides, I think the disappointment/outrage from me should be directed at Mirai getting neither Worlds or the Olympics.