no it's not but it's lightweight compared to the whole trashing somebody's character or simply trolling...
I agree, some trolls are really mean...
no it's not but it's lightweight compared to the whole trashing somebody's character or simply trolling...
Hahaha. Plu threads survive for 50(!) pages with much heavier trolling than here. And you are already whining? Then don't even bother to try to convince me that she is a queen if she has such a lame fan-court.
Hopefully rotating her triple flip would be a good start for Mao.
to matesup1: Carolina Kostner has a Salchow-like technique on her flip, which is not ideal.
I remember in The Skating Lesson's interview with Frank Carroll, they talked about Frank's preference for teaching some kind of straight take-off as opposed to a European-style curved take-off on jumps. I wonder if this is what you are describing, Moment? My impression is that either technique wasn't considered wrong, just that they were different. Someone else who is more knowledgeable about technique and jump mechanics might want to clarify, I am curious about this.IThe similarities between two jumps are they both take off on an backwards inside edge. However before the toe pick hits the ice Carolina "pushes" the edge and it goes to a pretty deep inside, making a deep curve. By that she gains some rotational force just like a Salchow jump. In short, her flip not completely toe-assisted.
When/if Carolina hits a clean program, her scores will be monstrous. I guarantee it. She already gets high scores for flawed performances, and the truth is, I actually see some justification as to why. More on this later in the post.I happen to think that Carolina looks plenty like a champion, but that didn't really help her when she splatted on her ending 3S in the Worlds FS. So maybe there is more to winning that "looking like a champion"? This, after all, is supposed to be a sport, not a beauty pageant.
I actually think cooper, as a YuNa fan, agrees with yuki and some others that the original post had some disgraceful comments about other skaters. And deedee admits she is more of a Mao fan. Has nothing to do with faint-hearted YuNa fans.Hahaha. Plu threads survive for 50(!) pages with much heavier trolling than here. And you are already whining? Then don't even bother to try to convince me that she is a queen if she has such a lame fan-court.
It's my turn to say the same for Carolina Kostner. I have always liked her, and 1-2 programs by her in the past. I could see that her technique is solid, her skating skills and other basics are very strong. After YuNa retired in 2011, I didn't follow figure skating as closely as before, but I did return here to watch and read discussions about Carolina's 2012 WC win--finally! and well-deserved. But I was definitely not prepared to be blown away by her in the London WC's. For me, only YuNa and Carolina popped out from the ice in 3-D, their performances and projection truly reaching out to me on the third level of the arena. I apologize to say that the other ladies looked "smaller" on the ice and would have come off more favourably if they had been watched on a screen.
I am not sure if Carolina is helped by being taller; it may or may not be a factor. All her moves have a grandiosity and flourish that do make her appear like a confident Champion (YuNa has these things, too.) Along with her strong jumping abilities, skating skills, musicality and Lori Nichol choreography, all of these things have me convinced that the only thing holding her back from YuNa-esque monstrous scores are the mistakes. Carolina may not "attack" her elements quite like YuNa does, but all caution is thrown to the wind when she is performing. She is really something.
So, I don't find YuNa "superior" to her. YuNa is more consistent (and consistency is no small feat.) Otherwise, I consider them equals, and am quite amenable to others finding Carolina superior. But I will say that I do consider these two to be on another plane above the rest of the current field.
I am not sure if Carolina is helped by being taller; it may or may not be a factor. All her moves have a grandiosity and flourish that do make her appear like a confident Champion (YuNa has these things, too.) Along with her strong jumping abilities, skating skills, musicality and Lori Nichol choreography, all of these things have me convinced that the only thing holding her back from YuNa-esque monstrous scores are the mistakes. Carolina may not "attack" her elements quite like YuNa does, but all caution is thrown to the wind when she is performing. She is really something.
Very great post.
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Prior to Vancouver there was no comparison when it came to Yu-Na and everybody else. She was so far in front of the field it was a bit pointless to even have a competition; just give her the medal and everybody go home! But now, as much as some people don't want to admit (for whatever reason), Carolina is an even match for Yu-Na...and to be honest I prefer it that way. It makes the sport more interesting. The two of them are on another planet and it is wonderful to have these two beautiful and talented skaters leading the way to Sochi. I'd be happy to see either one of them win...
Did anyone realize Yuna, Mao, and Carolina have been on the same podium at least 4 separate occasions.
2 GPFs and 2 Worlds, spanning 5+ years. All have managed to beat each others at least once.
This is amusing. They should make a podium alumni club or something.Did anyone realize Yuna, Mao, and Carolina have been on the same podium at least 4 separate occasions.
2 GPFs and 2 Worlds, spanning 5+ years. All have managed to beat each others at least once.
This is a testament to how good these 3 are. An Olympic podium with all 3 would be so epic, I can't even imagine it.
This thread will be another Mao/Yuna/Caro (I am happy to see the "old" rivalry includes her nowadays, yey!) bashing. Why would anyone want Mao, Caro, or anyone elsecopycat Yuna? Just look at the 10000 Plushy copies. No current lady skater can replicate Yuna's Bond (or come even close). Many find Carolina's feel for the music (and recent programs) superior to Yuna. And with Mao, I don't see anyone skating so delicate as she did in Nocturne or Ladies in Lavender, with her quick turns and perfect lines and posture
Though I agree that artistically Carolina is not inferior to Yuna, there is still a big difference between the two that matters a lot in competition--one can land the difficult jumps/combos much more consistently than the other, particularly at major competitions like Worlds and the Olympics. Stylistically, however, I'm more inclined to Yuna than Carolina, whose expressiveness is a bit over-the-top for my taste.