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- Dec 18, 2003
Well....here goes.
Since the specific opinions about S/P & B/S has come up, I will insert an opinion. Of course, this is just MY opinion. It's about 6.0 v. CoP, so if you're sick of that topic you have fair warning, and don't have to read on LOL!!
While CoP is FAR from perfect (seKret judges and some questions about PCS scores are the big ones IMO), this particular competition highlighted what I think is a HUGE weakness of 6.0 based on how it was used and what everyone came to expect.
The "Rivalries" for the Oly medals are always hyped in advance, and I don't expect that to change under CoP. But under 6.0, I think the public expectation between the "hyped" rivals for gold generally came down to clean skates. There wasn't really consideration for who had the most difficult program executed with great choreography and musical interpretation. Once it was down to the final 2 or 3, the clean skate was EXPECTED to win (by the public and media anyway).
I understand the people who challenge the CoP fact that the "cleanest" skate doesn't necessarily win among the top contenders. Even as a fan of CoP I can understand the point that some excitement can be lost when a less than stellar skate with more difficulty can beat a clean skate from another top contender with less difficulty. But while CoP hides the judges identity (not in favor of that!!) it DOES provide details so at least an outcome such as the original one in SLC (B/S Gold) could potentially be explained.
As it was, evidence turned up of a judging scandal which should NEVER happen. But I do respect those who feel that B/S's program might have been better overall due to more difficult moves, and hence B/S's win might have been justified.
I do NOT offer this opinion to excuse the judging scandal that came to light after the fact. I always bear in mind that the SCANDAL was about a "vote trade." That scandal was in place long before S/P & B/S skated. Had B/S skated clean, we might never have known about the judging abomination. What I'm trying to say is that I think it's two different issues.
Now. If the ISU hides behind score manipulation and just uses CoP to further their interests including cheating, then nothing has been accomplished.
I just like CoP better for the fact that this sort of situation can be more readily explained through more detailed scores. If applied appropriately, the original outcome might have been OK.
DG
Since the specific opinions about S/P & B/S has come up, I will insert an opinion. Of course, this is just MY opinion. It's about 6.0 v. CoP, so if you're sick of that topic you have fair warning, and don't have to read on LOL!!
While CoP is FAR from perfect (seKret judges and some questions about PCS scores are the big ones IMO), this particular competition highlighted what I think is a HUGE weakness of 6.0 based on how it was used and what everyone came to expect.
The "Rivalries" for the Oly medals are always hyped in advance, and I don't expect that to change under CoP. But under 6.0, I think the public expectation between the "hyped" rivals for gold generally came down to clean skates. There wasn't really consideration for who had the most difficult program executed with great choreography and musical interpretation. Once it was down to the final 2 or 3, the clean skate was EXPECTED to win (by the public and media anyway).
I understand the people who challenge the CoP fact that the "cleanest" skate doesn't necessarily win among the top contenders. Even as a fan of CoP I can understand the point that some excitement can be lost when a less than stellar skate with more difficulty can beat a clean skate from another top contender with less difficulty. But while CoP hides the judges identity (not in favor of that!!) it DOES provide details so at least an outcome such as the original one in SLC (B/S Gold) could potentially be explained.
As it was, evidence turned up of a judging scandal which should NEVER happen. But I do respect those who feel that B/S's program might have been better overall due to more difficult moves, and hence B/S's win might have been justified.
I do NOT offer this opinion to excuse the judging scandal that came to light after the fact. I always bear in mind that the SCANDAL was about a "vote trade." That scandal was in place long before S/P & B/S skated. Had B/S skated clean, we might never have known about the judging abomination. What I'm trying to say is that I think it's two different issues.
Now. If the ISU hides behind score manipulation and just uses CoP to further their interests including cheating, then nothing has been accomplished.
I just like CoP better for the fact that this sort of situation can be more readily explained through more detailed scores. If applied appropriately, the original outcome might have been OK.
DG