What is the effect of re-using a program?

[Dawn825]

I feel kind bad for Phil Hersch, he's getting ROASTED for endorsing Nathan's program changes. But he did bring it on himself. It amuses me when people have to explain program changes without using the words "everyone hated it". I do feel very bad for the skaters and their teams tho. Its gotta be rough spending months working on all the details of a program then having to ditch it.

 

[el henry]

I feel kind bad for Phil Hersch, he's getting ROASTED for endorsing Nathan's program changes. But he did bring it on himself. It amuses me when people have to explain program changes without using the words "everyone hated it". I do feel very bad for the skaters and their teams tho. Its gotta be rough spending months working on all the details of a program then having to ditch it.

Phil Hersch *adores* Nathan, who would attack Phil, that makes no sense? I did not like the LP either. Funeral music does not make for a good skating program except under certain conditions, and I don't think those conditions were met.

If Nathan feels more comfortable with Rocketman, I think that is a good move for him. It's certainly more enjoyable, for me, than Lacrimosa.

 

[Dawn825]

Apparently when Hanyu announced he was returning to Seimei in 2014, Hersch really ripped into him. So people are calling him a hypocrite.

 

[el henry]

Apparently when Hanyu announced he was returning to Seimei in 2014, Hersch really ripped into him. So people are calling him a hypocrite.

Thanks for explaining, I thought this criticism may have been coming elsewhere.

Phil strikes me as someone who can handle it. In any event, I hope Nathan finds music he is comfortable with and skates to it.

 

[readernick]

Apparently when Hanyu announced he was returning to Seimei in 2014, Hersch really ripped into him. So people are calling him a hypocrite.

To be fair, Yuzuru used the same program for multiple seasons. Nathan is ( perhaps) returning to programs that weren't even used for an entire season due to Worlds being cancelled. That being said, Hersch is frequently biased in his journalism. He is biased towards any skater with technical superiority. Nathan is, thus, clearly his favorite. So, I think it is fine if he gets some criticism. He is being a bit hypocritical. What is a bit overboard is the overreaction of some Yuzuru fans toward Nathan. Twitter is a scary place. I recommend avoiding it.

 

[Arigato]

I feel kind bad for Phil Hersch, he's getting ROASTED for endorsing Nathan's program changes. But he did bring it on himself.

Anyone who would write a commentary which actually suggested the judges at the 2020 4CC deny a particular figure skater a good score for reusing his programs should get far more than a little roasting in 2021 for supporting a different figure skater who is on the verge of reusing his programs.

Even if there weren't two different skaters involved, to even suggest a team of judges behave in such a coordinated fashion—for any reason—is unacceptable.

 

[Dawn825]

Anyone who would write a commentary which actually suggested the judges at the 2020 4CC deny a particular figure skater a good score for reusing his programs should get far more than a little roasting in 2021 for supporting a different figure skater who is on the verge of reusing his programs.

Even if there weren't two different skaters involved, to even suggest a team of judges behave in such a coordinated fashion—for any reason—is unacceptable.

I didnt know about that but it reminds me of what he said over the summer about J/R. If the judges score them correctly they will win the Olympics. Besides being a ridiculous prediction, it was just weird put it completely on the judges.

 

[Arigato]

To be fair, Yuzuru used the same program for multiple seasons.

As did Shoma. And if he ever wants to skate to Turandot again, I'm fine with it since it's such a pleasure to watch.

 

[readernick]

As did Shoma. And if he ever wants to skate to Turandot again, I'm fine with it since it's such a pleasure to watch.

If Shoma returns to a previous program I vote for Loco. That was my favorite program of last quad. However, I don't mind his Bolero either. It's the only decent Bolero this season.

 

[ucrgirl]

I think the effect of reusing a program varies depending on discipline, the strength of the program and how much of a bad fit the dumped program was. If one is in a three-way tie for bronze in ice dance I think reusing a program could be risky. For Hanyu, I never minded it because he was a wonderful skater who sometimes had brilliant programs (like that short program he used three times--Chopin?) but some programs seemed to be duds (in my opinion). He was at a level were a repeat of a beautiful program didn't knock him down a notch.

On the other hand, I was disappointed when Ashley used Moulin Rouge for the third year. She almost always had interesting programs and I wanted to see something new from her.

Nathan didn't seem comfortable with Mozart or Nemesis part II so it makes sense for him to change to an old program and if he lands his jumps it likely won't hurt his marks. I just hope he sticks with whatever he uses at Nationals.

 

[Skater Boy]

Phil Hersch *adores* Nathan, who would attack Phil, that makes no sense? I did not like the LP either. Funeral music does not make for a good skating program except under certain conditions, and I don't think those conditions were met.

If Nathan feels more comfortable with Rocketman, I think that is a good move for him. It's certainly more enjoyable, for me, than Lacrimosa.

Rocketman is more upbeat and fun. Nathan is not really a heavy classical skater. And the Requiem song of death no matter what version just isn't Nathan. Don't try to be high brow stuffy when you are more fun. Rocketman alo is far easier for Nathan to bring in the audience. Great choice for the future olympic champion!

 

[Arigato]

I'd like to see Sakamoto pump up the volume and do the Matrix program again. That was what got me to watch her to begin with and I don't usually watch women's skating.

 

[Amei]

As did Shoma. And if he ever wants to skate to Turandot again, I'm fine with it since it's such a pleasure to watch.

Well I think Yuzuru is an exception as he has reused SO MANY programs. Its my biggest pet peeve with him.

Since the 2011-2012 season these are the number of seasons he used a program:
Romeo and Juliet: 2 seasons
Ballade #1: 4 seasons
Seimei: 3 seasons
Parisienne Walkways: 2 seasons
Otonal: 2 seasons
Origin: 2 seasons

 

[Seven Sisters]

I think the effect of reusing a program varies depending on discipline, the strength of the program and how much of a bad fit the dumped program was.

I think it also depends on whether you are using last year’s program for another consecutive year (in which case, it often feels like the wind has been taken out of the sails a bit), as opposed to going back to a program that was an especially good fit that you used a season or two ago.

 

[Arigato]

Since the 2011-2012 season these are the number of seasons he used a program:
Romeo and Juliet: 2 seasons
Ballade #1: 4 seasons
Seimei: 3 seasons
Parisienne Walkways: 2 seasons
Otonal: 2 seasons
Origin: 2 seasons

Good to see. I enjoyed every one of them.

 

[SaDa]

Don't try to be high brow stuffy when you are more fun. Rocketman alo is far easier for Nathan to bring in the audience.

I’m pretty sure he's versatile enough to handle many different kinds of music. It's one of the things I appreciate the most about Nathan. I love his serious and solemn “Land of All” program, his more mature and romantic “La Boheme” which contains sad nostalgia, and even his low-energy/meditative Philip Glass medley. As for drawing in the audience, I think that depends on who the audience is. For sure, an American audience or a Russian one would love Rocketman. A Chinese audience though? I’m honestly not sure.

 

[el henry]

Sometimes a program is planned for a two year cycle.

Jason has said that the plan was always to use Sinnerman for two years. For such a choreographically complex masterpiece, it makes sense. Of course I could watch Sinnerman for five years straight.

Going back to a program mid-season seems a bit different to me, but I would rather see a skater admit that a program is not a good fit rather than stick with one they don't like.

 

[mrrice]

Clearly, I'm missing something. Is Nathan planning to re-use a program for Nationals and The Olympics? Certainly, he doesn't mean Nemesis? Nathan only uses part of it.

 

[SaDa]

Clearly, I'm missing something. Is Nathan planning to re-use a program for Nationals and The Olympics? Certainly, he doesn't mean Nemesis? Nathan only uses part of it.

Sadly(to me anyway), he won't be using Mozart or Eternity this season. Apparently, he's going back to La Boheme and Rocketman...at least, for Nationals. He claims he's still undecided for the Olympics, LOL.

 

[mrrice]

Sadly(to me anyway), he won't be using Mozart or Eternity this season. Apparently, he's going back to La Boheme and Rocketman...at least, for Nationals. He claims he's still undecided for the Olympics, LOL.

Is it his current LP that he's changing? I love that Program. He skated it so well in Canada.