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This is from Nathan's pre-Nationals teleconference (this Twitter account has different threads that summarize all the US skaters who have given interviews, I find them all interesting)
What is the effect of re-using a program?
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This is from Nathan's pre-Nationals teleconference (this Twitter account has different threads that summarize all the US skaters who have given interviews, I find them all interesting)
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Ok. That makes perfect sense to me. I'm going to have to go back and watch his performances from Nationals that year. Oh Yes! The Elton John LP. It's been so long I had forgotten about that program. The main thing is that he likes the program and he's motivated to bring it back. He's such a champion that I have no doubt that he'll be successful.
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And FWIW-Just because he stated his switch back to La Boheme and Rocketman will not be his Olympic and Worlds programs this season doesn't mean they won't. If one knows Nathan's history with these kinds of statements, then they know lol!
Sometimes a program is planned for a two year cycle.
Jason has said that the plan was always to use Sinnerman for two years. For such a choreographically complex masterpiece, it makes sense. Of course I could watch Sinnerman for five years straight.
Going back to a program mid-season seems a bit different to me, but I would rather see a skater admit that a program is not a good fit rather than stick with one they don't like.
Yes, thank you for stating what I thought was already known by anyone into figure skating. I'm fond of Jason's Love Is A Bitch program that he skated at 2019 Worlds and would enjoy seeing it skated again. And again.
Yeah. I was hoping to be able to see it live at Nationals...but I guess not
As well as he did with it in Canada, that program was nowhere near its peak. It needed a few fixes and more polish, and I was excited to see it grow. I personally love the choreo. Some of it is quite powerful, especially the original Lacrimosa stsq in the middle. So, yes, instead, Nathan will be recycling Rocketman and La Boheme at Nationals(and most likely the rest of the season). I really enjoy those programs but, personally, I'm just not a fan of skaters recycling programs, especially ones that already had huge moments(those programs, at 2019 GPF, earned his highest SP/LP/combined total scores internationally).
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He didn’t repeat Romeo and Juliet, it was 2 different programs set to different music.
If I remember correctly, his 2011-2012 program was choreographed by his coach at the time and the music was from Romeo + Juliet, while his 2013-2014 program was choreographed by David Wilson to music from the 1968 movie.
His 2012 senior debut at Worlds was really something.
He was only 17 here, and the music from the Romeo and Juliet soundtrack is fantastic:
The other Romeo and Juliet program was skated at Sochi 2014 - different program, music and costume.
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Awww, I love, love, love Nathan's fp this season. What a shame he felt compelled to change it to Rocketman (a fine program, but that was then and this is now). I hope he doesn't change the current fp for U.S. Nationals. Honestly, it's actually not a good thing to change a program halfway during the Olympic season to a program you haven't used all season. Right now, I'm kinda worried for how Nathan will be faring at these Olympics, especially too with all the political upheaval going on at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SREFPm7_cFg&t=240s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SREFPm7_cFg&t=240s
Good grief! Nathan is planning to change his sp too!!! Oh no. Where's his head at? If he was going to change his sp, he should change it to Caravan, in my opinion. But what exactly was wrong with the Clementine medley he was using? It was absolutely fine. It doesn't make sense for him to do this. And he says he's 'still undecided for the Olympics' Huh?!!! Alarm bells ringing. At the last Olympics, Nathan was changing jump selections right up to the last minute. I sure hope his family isn't going all bonkers on him making suggestions like they did the last time around. SMH
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BTW, is there discussion (maybe in Japanese men thread and Japanese Nationals thread I suppose) regarding Hanyu's fairly decent looking quad axel attempts? If he even attempts it, the judges will give him points and huge credit, I'm sure.
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This is your opinion of who Nathan is as a skater, and whoever else agrees with you, which varies from who Nathan is personally and athletically/career-wise. Enjoying and understanding classical music does not make anyone 'highbrow stuffy,' unless they are snooty and stuffy already. But such people aren't the ones who understand what classical music is about. I'm not sure what you mean by "heavy classical skater' in any case. Nathan has a lot of range, and he can skate and he has skated to a variety of music, including classical, jazz, pop, contemporary, Latin, etc. Even with his current classical-themed fp, Nathan mixes it up (as he usually does) with the rap/hip hop rendition at the tail end, pumping up the step sequence in the build toward the ending pose.
Just ask Kurt Browning how boss Nathan's current fp for this season is:
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I can understand Nathan wishing to be upbeat and fun for the Olympics, but I'd rather see him perform his current fp at U.S. Nationals. And again, if he's going to change his sp, I really like Caravan, but I suppose La Boheme is a change of pace if he's going to use Rocketman for his fp.
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Kurt Browning is great. Here he is with Jason's short:
"The only thing that detracts from this program is the jealousy I feel watching it"
"The only thing that detracts from this program is the jealousy I feel watching it"
https://www.another site.com/r/Figu...son_brown_sp_skate_canada_2021_brenda_irving/
As long as he lands right on the violin string sliding into a boom— just hit play.
On a side note: Can someone tell Tara to shut up while Shoma is skating?
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I know I posted a little about it in Hanyu's Fan Fest and the news thread here relating to him. I'm still fairly new here, but maybe I could post something in the Japanese men's thread as well. You could feel free to post there too! People here just seem to be disappointed that it's underrotated, yet I'm still amazed by the speed Yuzuru's using to enter it! I do agree, it would be a huge credit for him to hit it at Japanese Nationals (hopefully international judges would feel the same way, but who knows...). However, if memory serves me right, the base value of a 4A is surprisingly low relative to its difficulty, so I don't know if landing it would necessarily rack up the points in his favor.
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Yes! I love this! Also, I want Tara to shut up when everyone is skating LOL!
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It looks really good if you ask me. That's a lot of progress from trying it and falling every time, which I'm sure happened in the beginning. If it's not landed cleanly, he won't receive full credit. I don't know how many points it is anyway, plus if underrotated, it could be downgraded. It's rather brave of Hanyu to try, but I guess what other challenge is there for him coming back for a third Olympics after already winning two? Hanyu has one of the best 3-axels in the world, and Nathan has already done all of the quads and set records there, except for the quad-axel. So, it will be interesting.
Regarding those who have been complaining, maybe some fans do not understand the slow progress involved in mastering difficult elements in figure skating.
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Someone already explained that the Romeo and Juliet programs are different choreo and music, but it's also wildly disingenuous to say that he did Ballade #1 for 4 seasons when he only did them for max 3 (2014/2015 + 2015/2016 and maybe 2017/2018, though that was only 3 competitions but sure let's count it as a season) and then once in 2019/2020 season. Similarly he only did seimei for two seasons (2015/2016 and 2017/2018) and then one competition in the 2019/2020 season.
Re-using programms is most of the time a lack of creativity and should therefore result in a mandatory deduction in performance and interpretation mark. Its really becoming a serious issue. I understand it, if a skaters focus is on the tech. I don't understand it if a skater doesn't add any tech to his resused program and expects to get still 9s and 10s with a resued to death program like hanyu, jason and the chinese pair does it. Even the best program becomes boring and redundant after a while. The wow factor is lost.
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No, it's not. While I agree I don't want to see the same program 4 years in a row, many skaters choose to re-use a program for many reasons: The biggest reason for many being lack of money to pay a good choreographer for 2 new programs a year. Programs are not cheap when you're at the top (some of the best choreographers charge 10K plus for one long program). Also, some love a program and feel they didn't get everything they wanted out of it. And many other reasons other than "lack of creativity."
Yeah hanyu, chen, brown they all do it because lack of money....
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