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jaylee

Medalist
Joined
Feb 21, 2010
I didn't say it was "listening" to the music - rather her ability to produce that varied motion through her skating skills was second to theirs (and nobody else's). That's her technical aspect. If you disagree, you disagree.

Well, you're tying her technical ability to her musical interpretation ability. So yeah, I disagree.

I'll quote my edit above: Also, you note that Yu-Na varied her skating flow/speed depending on the music/programs, but say it's less than Michelle or Mao ever did...and that is puzzling because neither Michelle nor Mao were especially known for their variation of flow/speed. That is why Michelle sometimes lost against Irina and even Sarah Hughes and why Mao lost out to Yu-Na and Carolina Kostner. Takahiko Kozuka's father, after Mao's 2010 Worlds win, congratulated Mao on the win but noted that she lost the PCS component, and pointed out that it was because of the difference in variation of speed and a skating skills issue. I think he literally called Mao's speed monotonous...Mao's fans were not happy about that...

What you said just doesn't make any sense with what was observed from the time, and what the scores and results reflected. Yu-Na was known for her speed and variation of speed and flow, and Michelle and Mao were not. And I saw them all live. If you saw them live and have a different opinion to offer, feel free. (By the way, I also disagree with some other underlying assumptions in your post -- top skaters should demonstrate a variety of speed/acceleration within the program and ideally the music has the proper highs/lows to showcase this. But that doesn't mean that if you skate to a soft, slow piece of music that you should never be accelerating within the program due to musical interpretation requirements.)

If you disagree with me and with Takahiko Kozuka's father and numerous other commentators from the time period that Mao and Yu-Na performed live, fine. If you have some other evidence to offer to backup your opinion, feel free to share. But regardless of that I don't think Yu-Na's fanfest is the right place to post about how Yu-Na is second to them.
 

jaylee

Medalist
Joined
Feb 21, 2010
Well yes. A part of it - interpretation is based on technique, how is it not? Doesn't mean I consider her overall interpretation inferior to theirs, just a part of it. Anyway, I would need to see more compelling arguments than those to consider her skating skills on par or better than theirs.

LOL. Actually, the burden is on you, not me or anyone else, to provide the compelling arguments. You haven't offered any compelling arguments at all. Did you see them live? If Mao's skating skills were superior, why did the PCS numbers not reflect it for the vast majority of their career? Can you cite any commentary from experts of the time? (Or even experts of today?) I've offered supporting details in these areas, and you have just offered your opinion, no actual supporting detail at all, and it's counter to the perception and the results of the time. You don't even acknowledge the criticism / praise that was said at the time, so perhaps you're not familiar with it. If you don't know why Takahiko Kozuka's father's opinion is credible and honestly carries more weight than my opinion, yours, or anyone else's on GoldenSkate/Youtube/Twitter, I recommend looking him up and finding out exactly what he said in 2010. But the way you dismiss that and everything else makes me doubt that you are even open to any perspective that disagrees with your own.

Look, I am a huge Michelle Kwan fan and I think she has superpowers of her own. I greatly relished the Yu-Na and Mao rivalry and am familiar with many, many details of it. I am all for honest exploration and discussion, and happy to share what I learned from being a fan of the time -- a fan who sought to educate themselves on the strengths and weaknesses of all skaters, and appreciate what they all brought to the table. So while this discussion is obviously not going anywhere, for those who are curious and open-minded, I encourage them to do their own research. I'm happy to share facts and my perspective as a Yu-Na fan and a skating fan of multiple decades, and I do my best to offer a sincerely honest argument with supporting details.
 

qwerty123

Spectator
Joined
Jan 25, 2022
Mao Asada’s former coach Sato Nobuo talks about Yuna and Mao

As for Kim Yu-na, the accuracy of speed and jump are great. Nobuo said, "The 30m x 60m link is too wide to do something alone, so it's great (Kim Yu-na's skating)."

“She has a speed that prevents you from feeling the width of the link. If you speed up, it's easy to shake (the center) and it doesn't work out as the skater wants, but she can jump accurately while speeding up. High level of skill.”

"Yuna's skating is so soft that there is no sound of scratching the ice. I don't even hear a wriggling sound. Her skating skills match my ideal skating - like butter on bread. This is the difference between Yuna and Mao. Jumping is an extension of skating skills. Therefore, developing skills is a way to reduce the difference between Yuna and Asada. In the long run, it exerts a good synergy effect on jumping as well. "

Mao- Nobuo saying, "She works hard," but the reporter almost cried when he was embarrassed to see Nobuo saying, "Because I watch her every day." Nobuo brought up the story about step with difficulty.

About Mao's step (Swan Lake), when I saw Twizzle at that speed at the end, I was like, "Huh??" Even if there is an acting like, "What's wrong with her?" I forget it.

There may be some technical stories, but above all, it is important for her to win against herself. Don't be aware that it's a special season, and that's enough if she can become a skater that has improved every day over and over again. Nobuo also said that Mao's jump is better than last year. Hope it rotates a little more properly, so is it.
 

Shwolnee

Spectator
Joined
Feb 13, 2018
Mao Asada’s former coach Sato Nobuo talks about Yuna and Mao

As for Kim Yu-na, the accuracy of speed and jump are great. Nobuo said, "The 30m x 60m link is too wide to do something alone, so it's great (Kim Yu-na's skating)."

“She has a speed that prevents you from feeling the width of the link. If you speed up, it's easy to shake (the center) and it doesn't work out as the skater wants, but she can jump accurately while speeding up. High level of skill.”

"Yuna's skating is so soft that there is no sound of scratching the ice. I don't even hear a wriggling sound. Her skating skills match my ideal skating - like butter on bread. This is the difference between Yuna and Mao. Jumping is an extension of skating skills. Therefore, developing skills is a way to reduce the difference between Yuna and Asada. In the long run, it exerts a good synergy effect on jumping as well. "

Mao- Nobuo saying, "She works hard," but the reporter almost cried when he was embarrassed to see Nobuo saying, "Because I watch her every day." Nobuo brought up the story about step with difficulty.

About Mao's step (Swan Lake), when I saw Twizzle at that speed at the end, I was like, "Huh??" Even if there is an acting like, "What's wrong with her?" I forget it.

There may be some technical stories, but above all, it is important for her to win against herself. Don't be aware that it's a special season, and that's enough if she can become a skater that has improved every day over and over again. Nobuo also said that Mao's jump is better than last year. Hope it rotates a little more properly, so is it.
May i know where is this from? I'm always curious about japanese coaches and figure skaters say abkut yun skating, but it's hard to search about it
 

lilbubz

Rinkside
Joined
Jan 8, 2019
Hi everyone! I've been a Yuna fan since 2008, but I've recently been rewatching all her programs and falling in love again. Nowadays, I rank Send in the Clowns and Adios Noninos as my favorite competitive Yuna programs-- both are so beautiful, poignant, and never fail to make me cry/tear up.
 

lilbubz

Rinkside
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Jan 8, 2019
Just curious, but what are the chances of All That Skate 2022? I really miss seeing Yuna skate, plus the production values of All That Skate!
 

Shwolnee

Spectator
Joined
Feb 13, 2018
Hi everyone! I've been a Yuna fan since 2008, but I've recently been rewatching all her programs and falling in love again. Nowadays, I rank Send in the Clowns and Adios Noninos as my favorite competitive Yuna programs-- both are so beautiful, poignant, and never fail to make me cry/tear up.
Agree with you. When i watch the first time Send in the clowns didn't really resonate with me, but now that i rewatch it again i feel the nuance of this program. Maybe what has happened to me this past months makes me realize the feels that Yuna wants to convey. Not gonna lie, i almost cry when i rewatch it today
 

OS

Sedated by Modonium
Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 23, 2010
Happy 32nd Birthday Yuna, still and forever my favourite figure skater... of all Times!!

Congrats on the engagement and hope you have a lovely wedding next month. The whole of S.Korea will be celebrating I am sure (+ where ever Yuna fans are in the world, and they are all over. Just been reading up on the comments on the Olympic Chanel and SNS all over, quite moving.)
 

lilbubz

Rinkside
Joined
Jan 8, 2019
PICS OF YUNA'S WEDDING DRESS:


And the pre-wedding photoshoot:


Congrats Yuna!!!
 

lilbubz

Rinkside
Joined
Jan 8, 2019
I rewatched Yuna's Gershwin free skate at the Vancouver Olympics, and something that struck me was just all the different moods the music transitions through and the way Yuna embodies each of them perfectly. When the music becomes more light and flirty, Yuna's movement and rhythm shifts; when the music becomes more energetic, Yuna blazes forward! And when the music comes to a dramatic climax, she delivers that epic feeling perfectly! Just, her musicality, her connection to the music is so wonderful-- it just seems to be such an innate part of her, such that she doesn't even need to listen to the music, she just becomes the music.
 

cosmos

On the Ice
Joined
Oct 2, 2007

Yuna on the Times Square, New York. Korean Ministry of Culture, Sports & Tourism paid for this public ads.
 
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lilbubz

Rinkside
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Yuna on the Times Square, New York. Korean Ministry of Culture, Sports & Tourism paid for this public ads.
Her hanbok pictures are beautiful <3
 
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