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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season
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Per GS guideline, as this is Hanyu fanfest we should not talk about another skater here. Thank you.
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lol, Daisuke has never been dropped, but you can't just promote the same person over and over again and ignoring the up and coming new talents. And let's not forget that Daisuke has been chosen for Sochi after finishing 5th at Nationals. That's not "being dropped" to my eyes. 
Geez, some of you guys are being paranoid over NOTHING every time something goes wrong with Yuzuru...
Geez, some of you guys are being paranoid over NOTHING every time something goes wrong with Yuzuru...- Joined
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Everyone is doing it :think:
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I was there last night and the feeling that came over the arena was shock as Yuzu began to unravel. I thought he looked a bit more tense than normal as he took his starting position, and it was then that I felt for the first time all week some nerves for Yuzu. At yesterday morning's practice he looked fine. It was Javi that was obviously struggling with an injury and wasn't doing his jumps.
Of course the question everybody is asking is "what went wrong?" Maybe there is no clear answer as figure skating is a sport and well, things go wrong. I do think Yuzu wanted this title so much that he realized when he went out there that he was very close to getting it, but.. the doubts crept in. I agree that the ease and lightness disappeared, he slowed way down and it became a fight. The crowd was very supportive clapping and willing him along. I'm so proud of him for fighting until the end.
It seems people on this forum are placing some blame on Denis. I was at both practices in the TD Garden and saw nothing out of the ordinary. Many skaters come close to each other and need to get out of the way. I'm a skater myself and know this happens all the time. Since only the media are allowed at the practice facility we don't know for sure what happened there, but I agree with what Brian said which was Yuzu needed to let it go. He's a professional so I'm confident he was able to do that.
I can't imagine Yuzu traning anywhere but the CC. Training with Javi is a bonus and as they've often said, they push each other. The only thought I've had is that Yuzu doesn't spend enough time there. If I'm not mistaken, he left Toronto in November for NHK and didn't go back until the end of February. During most of this time period Javi was there training with Brian. I believe Yuzu needs to let some of the commercials and public appearances in Japan go and spend longer time periods training in Toronto. Maybe this is the answer we are looking for.
Of course the question everybody is asking is "what went wrong?" Maybe there is no clear answer as figure skating is a sport and well, things go wrong. I do think Yuzu wanted this title so much that he realized when he went out there that he was very close to getting it, but.. the doubts crept in. I agree that the ease and lightness disappeared, he slowed way down and it became a fight. The crowd was very supportive clapping and willing him along. I'm so proud of him for fighting until the end.
It seems people on this forum are placing some blame on Denis. I was at both practices in the TD Garden and saw nothing out of the ordinary. Many skaters come close to each other and need to get out of the way. I'm a skater myself and know this happens all the time. Since only the media are allowed at the practice facility we don't know for sure what happened there, but I agree with what Brian said which was Yuzu needed to let it go. He's a professional so I'm confident he was able to do that.
I can't imagine Yuzu traning anywhere but the CC. Training with Javi is a bonus and as they've often said, they push each other. The only thought I've had is that Yuzu doesn't spend enough time there. If I'm not mistaken, he left Toronto in November for NHK and didn't go back until the end of February. During most of this time period Javi was there training with Brian. I believe Yuzu needs to let some of the commercials and public appearances in Japan go and spend longer time periods training in Toronto. Maybe this is the answer we are looking for.
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While I agree that he needs to spend more time there, let's not forget that he's starting his 4th year at university in April and that he was in Japan not for CM or some of this stuff, but for his studies. Otherwise, he obviously would have come back to train after some vacations with his family, like Javi did himself.
I didn't look back at some posts, but I do want to point out that the videos of the practice and the close encounter with D10 jumping a quad after Yuzu's stumble, should be from last year's Worlds.
There were definitely encounters during SP and FS practice this year too, but I don't think it was really what got to Yuzu.
There were definitely encounters during SP and FS practice this year too, but I don't think it was really what got to Yuzu.
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^^^ Not many people think because of that incident, it was something else that even Brian and Yuzu are not able to tell at this time. They would have to take time to review through.
Brian mentioned of the foot injury and that he is going home to Japan for a month. I wonder whether he will be at the gala.
Brian mentioned of the foot injury and that he is going home to Japan for a month. I wonder whether he will be at the gala.
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But it's not going to happen. Other than Shoma, please try and name another Japanese skater who has as much potential as Yuzuru? JSF knows what Yuzuru is capable of and what he can achieve. If they didn't then they wouldn't even bother to hear Yuzuru's request to train in TCC and fund it. Come on now, let's get real. He has many wins to prove he's still a worthy gold medal contender in every competition out there. A silver medal win with a hell of a good SP that had two damn quads in there will not make the federation be like, "Oh my god, he gonna be in trouble in the future. Prepare to drop him when the time comes."
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Thank you Sorrento and Nontama0817 for the clarification. After all this happened during Yuzuru's run through, didn't it?
I don't want to believe it was intentional, but I just wanted D10 to apologize to Yuzuru for his carelessness, and took Yuzuru's concern more seriously, as it was Yuzuru's run through.
What disappointed me most was his coach's words in the interview. He said nobody to blame, but at the same time, he mentioned the incidents with Daisuke Murakami and Han Yan last year. These are totally different cases.
One thing surprised/amused me, however, was that Brian said Javi is less emotional than Yuzu. No offense, Spanish people, but I think usually Japanese are believed to be less emotional (I know this is a stereotype viewing, but still) I giggled for a while. Yuzuru may be out-of-specification as a Japanese in every aspect :rofl2:
I took that remarks as meaning the Spaniard tends to skip the details, care less about a lot of things (sorry Spanish, really no offence) and Yuzu is more alert to things. It's just like Tracy has mentioned that Yuzu easily breaks into laughs. Yuzuru's probably not a very typical Japanese, he's tremendously expressive, talkative and eager to show his feelings and opinions.
After seeing all these, I have no position to determine anything. The clips just make me be sure Hanyu has all the ground to come to that reasonable doubt. He didn't even surely said Ten do it intentionally. He said 'probably' instead. I think Hanyu is decent, kind and generous enough to Ten with all records piled up in front of him.
Hanyu will suffer from this matter because what he said will never be proofed officially. People will ever say he's been doing false accusation, getting aggressive and this is a cat fight/fan war. Though it doesn't mean he's wrong. And finally, nobody really gives a token to safety. That's all. (Yeah, I dun trust the bright side of human nature
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lol, Daisuke has never been dropped, but you can't just promote the same person over and over again and ignoring the up and coming new talents. And let's not forget that Daisuke has been chosen for Sochi after finishing 5th at Nationals. That's not "being dropped" to my eyes.
Just for the record, that's what I tried to say. Someone incredibly talented comes up, it's not a surprise that skater starts winning over more veteran ones. Nothing about "dropping", just other young talents showing up
Why? You think the injury is more serious than they can tell at the moment?
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Just to calculate, Yuzu in general only stays at Toronto one month for choreographying new programs, one month before the season starts, then one month before the worlds. That is just 3-4 months with Brian each year. On the other side, Javier is in Toronto almost everyday of the year (except for some weeks in summer or new year, but Brian usually join him in during that time at shows). Obviously, Brian has much more time with Javier and according to his interview, Yuzu is still a mystery to him while with Javier, he even gives him morning calls every day, buy him medicine when he gets sick. Yuzu is not tapping in the full advantage of having Brian as his coach.
However, I can't blame Yuzu for not being enough time in Toronto. I totally understand that Yuzu feels more comfortable at Japan and it is really hard to develop a relationship with someone you don't even talk efficiently in their language. Javier says in many occasions that he and Yuzu get along very well at practice. But they are not the type of friends who hang out off ice or text or email to each other unlike what he does with Nam. To Brian, Yuzu is still a mystery. To David Wilson, he regrets that he hasn't been able to develop a relationship with Yuzu and stated that Japanese likes to shop around the world. So not having any close mates in Toronto, it is understandable that Yuzu prefers to stay in Japan where he can at least express himself at ease and he has his own personal friends there.
Since Yuzu spends lots of time in Japan, he can probably consider having another coach with him when he is in Japan.
Just for the record, that's what I tried to say. Someone incredibly talented comes up, it's not a surprise that skater starts winning over more veteran ones. Nothing about "dropping", just other young talents showing up
Exactly! This! Also, what kind of federation would actually drop their potential skaters all because they underperform just this once? I don't understand that logic, like this skater could help you win competitions because he's the best you guys got at the moment but who cares because screw him for this silver medal win?
I know that it's not really the point, but doesn't he also stay during the GP series? That's another month and a half, even though Brian is away fro all of them...
interesting analysis!:agree:
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Yuzu lives with his mother, Javi lives alone and doesn't have anyone to take care of him. Yuzu has said before that he's a stay-at-home person, while Javi is much more out-going and also has quite the number of Spanish skaters to hang out with. That doesn't stop the fact that Yuzu enjoys the company of his team mates in TCC and that he gets along with them.
Also, Yuzu studies takes a big part of his time, and he takes it very seriously. So, another reason he doesn't hang out much. It requires him to be in Japan at times. Also visa requirement can prevent someone from staying too long in a country and requires the person concerned to wait a certain amount of time before coming back.
As for comparing his time in Japan and Canada, it's just something related to his obligations and commitment in Japan. Something that Javi has much less in Spain.
There're many differences between Javi and Yuzu and to compare them is pointless.
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I heard that he stayed in Toronto till NHK. After NHK, he stayed in Japan for National. After national, he kept staying in Japan untill one month (more exactly, 5 weeks) before worlds.
After worlds, he will return to Japan to stay another month before going to Toronto to craft his new program. I suppose he will stay there fore just a month then go back to Japan and stay from May-September for summer shows and vacation.
I know. I am not comparing them. I am just saying I totally understand why Yuzu prefers to stay in Japan for most of the time and that since this is the way he prefers, he might probably consider hiring a coach or at least an assistant coach in Japan.
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You're right. Japan doesn't have anyone and when Yuzuru retires, well, they are in trouble. But maybe, before the olympics, they will decide that Shoma is a better option, bc he is younger or whatever (especially if Yuzuru decides to continue his career after 2018). They dropped Takahashi, why not Yuzuru? Everything can happen
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I don't think they dropped Dai. In my opinion, JSF and Japanese sponsors and fans are quite faithful and loyal. I still remember JSF gave Dai the spot to Sochi despite his placement at national. And Mao, she is not doing very well ever since COC, but JSF still has faith in her and treats her as a star. Japanese sponsors do the same. Dai came back recently and immediately joined a high profile TV broadcast and he is now also doing commentary for main events replacing Nobu. Mao has many many commercials. People see her everywhere in Japan.
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