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Ladies Tech calls in Russia versus Canada
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Maybe cause Osmond... Doesn't underrotate jumps?
ETA: both Canadian skaters do not underrotate because they jump so high and will always benefit from a harsh judging panel regardless of where they are. If they screw up a jump, you'll know about it immediately, cause it's either a fall or a pop.
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It should be noted that other Canadian skaters like Chartrand (former Canadian champ on home ice) and Messing were called out for URs, downgrades and edge calls. You're right - top Canadian skaters Osmond and Chan are less likely to UR when they hit their jumps because they have more spring and better technique compared to others prone to URs.
Honda going first and starting in 10th definitely hurt her. Evidently the judging panel weren't influenced by her hype - they just saw her as the skater currently sitting in 10th so in their minds she shouldn't be getting particularly high components. Had other skaters gone before her there would have been a noticeable difference in the quality of skating and she might have scored about 63-64 PCS, which would have been fairer. I know people want big marks for her but it's not like the judges were going to give her 68 PCS right off the bat unless she killed it in both programs. Even the tech specialist -- who is Japanese -- hammered her in both the SP and FS -- and she wasn't being unfair seeing as how Marin hit her levels in the free.
It's hard when you're so far back because the judges know there's an lot of skaters left to skate and will leave ample room by marking conservatively, I mean look at Kim's PCS in the SP of Sochi and Asada after the SP in Sochi.
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Tech panel in Helsinki wasn't harsh. Evgenia also wasn't called there. But she has 1 3lutz, Osmond has 3. She'll lose 9-10 points if called. As for me losing 10 points is a disaster
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Sotskova jumps are very high too. And she has correct edge on the lutz. I think tech pannel should be equally harsh to any skater
Maybe I’m the crazy one becaus I’ve seen this comment before, but Osmond has 2 3lz. One in the short and one in the long. She has 3 3F which she should since there is no edge question there.
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Osmond has 2
Osmond has no problems with URs which is what this tech panel was punishing.
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Good for her. She had 3 last season as far as I remember. It was so "in your face"
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no she didn't you can look at her protcols all year..
she always had two flips and two toes in the FP
I looked closely at Kaetlyn's FS on IceNetwork---her 2a wasn't completely rotated before she fell. If she was any skater but Osmond she would have received 2a<↓.
It's not true that Osmond will always benefit from a strict caller. Last year at Cup of China, Shin Amano was the caller. Kaetlyn's FS: 3f+3t, 2a+3t, 3z<<-fo, 3lo<↓, 3f, 3s<+1t+2lo, 2a
The only skaters who did not get URs in that FS were Tuktamysheva (pops but doesn't UR) and Miahara.
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When last season? She's always had 2 flips and one Lutz in her FS, AFAIK.
Also, you're not the one calling her. The tech panel (from various countries mind you) call it. And she's cleaned up her edge over the edge years - unless you think once a flutzer always a flutzer, in which case you're entitled to believe that. She doesn't care though. She will get a ! at worse and given how huge the jump is, even with a ! it would still get +GOE. "In your face", indeed.
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There was no hook on the landing of the 2A as far as I can tell from the HD slo-mo replays on Olympic Channel. It was pretty much completely backwards, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
As far as Cup of China goes, that was simply a bad day at the office for Kaetlyn and any caller in the world would have given her carrots on those jumps, strict or not. Rarely does Kaetlyn give the judges any reason to question her jumps, unlike some Russian, Japanese, and American skaters who, in nearly every single performance, either don't get enough height or can't rotate fast enough to land completely backwards. Only some skaters like both top Canadians and Medvedeva are almost always cleanly around and therefore benefit from strict judging.
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When last season? She's always had 2 flips and one Lutz in her FS, AFAIK.
Also, you're not the one calling her. The tech panel (from various countries mind you) call it. And she's cleaned up her edge over the edge years - unless you think once a flutzer always a flutzer, in which case you're entitled to believe that. She doesn't care though. She will get a ! at worse and given how huge the jump is, even with a ! it would still get +GOE. "In your face", indeed.
I'm sure she won't get "!" in the nearest years, but her edge is still inside
https://youtu.be/0W8pIUWAy2s?t=14
https://youtu.be/kgKVd9EPjsA
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I think the problem was (as someone already mention) cause Tech panel started to judge competion with very strict calls, in Honda case. They decided, probably cause she is coming from juniors, not to give her benefit of a doubt. When i saw her Tech drops, i immidiatlly come to the conclusion we will se a lot of carrots going on. Logically, cause they should to judge the rest of the ladies with same criteria. Indeed, that is a common human mistake in judging, and not just in skating, but even teachers do that commonly, when they begin to mark students with too low or too high expectations. My second point is that you cant compare scores from different competition just because of that. My third point is that home skaters, or at home judged sportsman in general always get a benefit of a doubt, but that doesnt mean they still didnt deserve to win.
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what i find hilarious is that after every skater... people say... OMG... this wasn't called UR... it should have been...
and now, there is a panel who served carrots to pretty much everyone, and people complain again....
I knew figure skating fans were tough... but I am at a point where I wonder... how far can the negativity go?
and now, there is a panel who served carrots to pretty much everyone, and people complain again....
I knew figure skating fans were tough... but I am at a point where I wonder... how far can the negativity go?
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To be fair, some less viewed skaters in GP circuit (including Sotskova) are judged even more harshly than the others... but thats also a part of some preconceptions normal to humans which can blur the perception (just because that something is still 'new for the eyes' comparing to others). No matter why and how, and with which scores, the placements still looking just right... (just Sotskova should be much much closer to gold and Honda should be closer to bronze)
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