2017 Europeans Free Dance
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I don't care about who should've come out ahead between B/S and C/L, but their PCS shouldn't be as close to P/C as it is for the FD. P/C are just on another level. Which I know is annoying when people say....so I hate the fact that I'm saying it now. Their FD isn't as good as last year, but the overall quality of skating, movement, and expression is unmatched by all but VM. Their SD is kind of a miss...instead of going for upbeat/traditional, they should've taken a hard left toward edgy/dramatic/hip hop. They could pull it off, but went too safe, and it's a little dull.
I like B/S a lot, and you can tell how hard they've worked, but their FD isn't cohesive (IMO) and their skating and performance isn't quite effortless. They aren't powerful (like D/W), or sensual/earthy (like V/M), or ethereal (like P/C). They don't have a signature quality that makes them stand out. I hope they have more effective and memorable material for the Olympics. Dump whatever they are trying to do now and go for extreme Russian drama. Classical and dark and dramatic. The Marie-France style they are trying now doesn't suit them.
C/L have always been the cute characters. Their style is fun. But not original or genuine-seeming or well-skated enough to elevate them to another level.
I like B/S a lot, and you can tell how hard they've worked, but their FD isn't cohesive (IMO) and their skating and performance isn't quite effortless. They aren't powerful (like D/W), or sensual/earthy (like V/M), or ethereal (like P/C). They don't have a signature quality that makes them stand out. I hope they have more effective and memorable material for the Olympics. Dump whatever they are trying to do now and go for extreme Russian drama. Classical and dark and dramatic. The Marie-France style they are trying now doesn't suit them.
C/L have always been the cute characters. Their style is fun. But not original or genuine-seeming or well-skated enough to elevate them to another level.
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Well I don't know what P/C meant by that comment other than they were not happy with their scores. IMO Today was the best they skated their FD so far this
season. P/C will need a higher score than today to win Gold at Worlds against V/M if V/M hit all their levels. I am not saying P/C cannot win only
that it won't be easy for them.
when i saw P/C program at the french master i found my favourite moment of the program after the third lift when guillaume is doing a solo spin and gabriella a twizzle since that i watched the program so many time and i always stop at that moment and i watch it again and again.
at euros it was just breathtaking. the audience applauded : it's not a lift, it's not the twizzle ssequence but it does feel like the hightlight of the dance.
at euros it was just breathtaking. the audience applauded : it's not a lift, it's not the twizzle ssequence but it does feel like the hightlight of the dance.
So you think there's only a push on PCS? Let me tell you about the time they had to find the winners of the SD at Euros hours after the competition because the TP made a mistake and another team with vested interest made some calls...
If you have a friend at the panel, you have a friend. Last year's WC showed that more than anything.
No, but I think an obvious push would have had HD MUCH closer in PCS and GOE than it did. As it was, the PCS and GOE favored B/S...they had generous GOE for example even when they obviously struggled.
In my opinion, it should just be a part of the conversation about that event. Especially if you take into account any theorized boost in PCS H/D would get for skating on home ice. I don't think B/S were obviously robbed there and that's my reasoning. You think the tech panel purposefully held them down. I understand.
Anyway, speaking of Euros (where we have no evidence only he said/she said about how it happened) it made me read the rules closely and I don't understand how skaters can challenge their own scores based on the rules?
C/L's dance is light, life affirming and sweet and it feels unforced and easy, regardless of a little hiccup. B/S's FD is their usual morbid and OTT drama. They always do this style, but there is only so much doom and gloom that a judge can take. What are they gonna do next season? Jayne Eyre?
EDIT: Also please people S/B and S/K were not under-marked in the SD, they just peaked earlier in the season when everyone else was bringing their B or B- game. They (S/K in particular) tried to be a bit more loose and easy, but their technique suffered as a result. S/K don't dance, Katsalapov is not a dancer but he's a talented and strong skater. Or since he's taken to wearing two hats on ice with Victoria, coach and partner, his skills are not really shining through, JMHO. The Danes by comparison are great dancers, you see two equals on the ice, with a great connection. All their elements and their fab choreo in the SD were just on fleek, under control man. S/B to their credit do have a little swag though. Peace and out
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Given the panel and the absurd scores of this SD, I would rather say some judges did not want to see it otherwise I wonder about their technical skills - also considering all the video tools which are provided to them to check closely any move on the ice.
We were seated behind the technical panel and we could see - for both SD & FD and for the top3 couples - the russian tech Specialist and his french Assistant having endless discussions and clear disagreements. I don't know if Roxane (the french tech Assistant) did it intentionally but it was so easy for the audience located behind the panel to understand the situation given Roxane's head movements. I can confirm the italian tech controller was called hence permanently involved in the discussions. She actually played a major role and a bad game here as well together with the tech specialist.
Well, in any case, after the SD, we clearly understood there was a "big push" against P/C. It was obvious Gaby and Guillaume had very few chances to win the title, whatever performance they would deliver. Before the FD, I actually posted a message in the thread dedicated to them to warn the fans about the situation. In the end, Gabriella and Guillaume delivered a tremendous performance, by far their best FD performance this season. Luca and Anna made some errors as for Ekaterina and Dimitri, they skated very slowly, just my personal impression, but I had the feeling they were not physically ready.
The final scores are completely fake. P/C performance was significantly underscored. C/L performance was significantly over scored. As for B/S, I think it's more or less OK even though they are weird GOEs as well. But honestly, what a mess!!
Last but not least, it's very important to say the skaters have nothing to do whatsoever with this attempt to cheat. The fact is "other people" use them like toys.
Ekaterina, Dimitri, Anna and Luca are fantastic skaters and competitors. They worked hard to perform their great programs. I love them. As for Gaby and Guillaume, they did the same. They made their FD more complex especially with additional transitions. They are lovely and so humble young champions. It was so nice to see Gaby and Guillaume having cool & fun discussions with Anna and Luca just before the victory ceremony. Luca and Guillaume know each other very well since a long time. The first times Guillaume started to skate in Lyon, Luca was extremely nice to help and host him. They are very good friends.
I agree with you alainfr06. As much as I like them all, the judging is a bit nonsense sometimes. It was B/S's and P/C's best performance of the season by a mile and they got lower scores than what they should have received. It was not C/L's greatest performance of the season and they got a season best.
I don't recall the judging being so obviously biased towards a particular team. And what annoys me is that C/L will receive hate, and there is nothing they can do about it, they don't judge themselves.
If you watch the press conference and all, they all seem to get along, and honestly skaters get along very well in spite of the judging because they know it won't change a thing.
Hoping for all these 3 teams to skate lights out at worlds. Despite all of that, I truly enjoyed them all !
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This event really showed how nothing is set in the stone, since ice is slippery... I still can't believe Poland will have two ID teams next year! And I'm super happy for Tobias/Tkachenko. I was sure last year they will be in top 6 her, but they did not bring their A game then... (they did better at Worlds fortunately). And this year they are in potato medal position, which is great!
Are you sure about the hate? Could you realize the warmest welcome Capellini/Lanotte got in the Arena? The situation actually made myself to root on them first time in my (long) life.....
Could you see Gailhueget in the Arena? Do you remember who forced his judge to favour the Russian pair in Salt Lake City?
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Clear, same feeling here.
The most dreadful ice dance competition since a long ... long time... and I am not talking here about the great performance of the skaters.
That was exactly my point. Now, I expect people in this forum to not fall into such obvious trap. Anna and Luca have nothing to do with this awful story. I will fully support them at the Worlds. They are among the key ice dance contributors since a long time.
No, not in the arena, I am speaking about skating fans, or viewers who weren't there. Apparently they are getting slaughtered on russian forums.
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This was hardly the first time that country politics have come into play in figure skating, and it certainly won't be the last. I'm always surprised at everyone else's surprise when things like this happen. This is the sport that still allows Didier (mastermind behind 2002 Olympics pairs scandal) to not only come back after a 3 year ban but be President of the French fed as well... :think:
In any case, the team who skated the best still prevailed, so while the behind-the-scenes shenanigans continue to run rampant, I will just enjoy PC's win. When you face a "tough" technical panel, you simply must skate your best and leave no room for doubt.
In any case, the team who skated the best still prevailed, so while the behind-the-scenes shenanigans continue to run rampant, I will just enjoy PC's win. When you face a "tough" technical panel, you simply must skate your best and leave no room for doubt.
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I will always like Anna & Luca. They just happened to be used as marionettes in the game Feds are playing with themselves. And they are not the only ones who are played with. It's sad and disturbing, but there is not much the skaters can do themsleves to stop this politicking behind their backs.
Sure, it's not the first time but it was so ostensibly "organised". Usually, "they" at least try to make it not that obvious.
As for Didier, AFAIK, he was almost the only one to be sanctioned in the last 30 years. A bit weird, don't you think? And, did you see anyone screaming in the FS world when he became President of the french fed afterwards ? No...
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People have always thought it was a joke that he was let back into the federation. What can we do about it, though? It's not like we have a vote.
I am actually surprised that they didn't try to hide it, not that there was fixing or samething like that.
FFSG definitely need a new president... I am pretty sur that he wouldn't have been banned if the scandal wasn't so 'big' internationally.
But then he is being political because everyone else is, this is a shame.
i was like a lot of you sad, dissapointed when sara and adria split but i love Sara and Kirill Free Dance : the music+ the lifts + the choreo + their interpretation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lraKzMAtmQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lraKzMAtmQ0
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