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commentary- missed or not?

justpat

Spectator
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
I don't mind watching skating on Ice Network, but I do miss commentary. (And I'm one of the people who used to complain about it!)

I think it's one of the elements of of broadcast that helps to build the sport. Fans need to be educated. Imagine trying to watch football or hockey with no play-by-play. You might enjoy the game on a surface level-- the excitement of touchdown or goals scored, but you'd miss out on understanding what makes the game difficult, why there are penalties, and why some players are exceptional. You need someone to explain all the drama that's going on.

I think the ball got dropped when the scoring system changed. There were some attempts to explain the new system, but I don't think they found a way to really connect with the casual fans. I think the most effective explanation was when Susie Wynne(?) stood next to a TV screen that showed potential points that a skater could earn based on the planned elements.

I think that there was a perception that it would be too confusing for fans to understand all the rules. But that is part of what makes a sport interesting and can create controversy that gets people talking. I think the tie between Evan and Jonny would have gotten more attention if more of an effort had been made to get the fan base educated about the scoring system over the past few years. It seemed like only hardcore fans understood what all the fuss was about.

It seems like whenever people think of figure skating commentators, they always mention our beloved Mr. Button. He had the gift of being able to share his enthusiasm with the audience while educating them. He's the reason I love figure skating today. If he was excited, he shared that. If he thought an element was performed well, he told you why. If he felt a performance was poor, he could pinpoint why he felt that way. It didn't mean he was absolutely right, but he shared his opinion passionately and then you could agree or disagree with him.

I felt Nancy Kerrigan was a poor choice for commmentary. She has an odd way of speaking that sounds negative and hesitant. She can't think and talk at the same time. She pauses to think about what she's saying halfway through her sentence and by the time she finishes her thought, it's too late.
I prefer Susie Wynne's commentary to Peggy Flemming's. It seems more balanced- good and bad elements are noticed by her.

I think my ideal commentator would be a former judge or technical specialist that has a personality. Someone who could accurately call elements as they happen without thinking "What jump was that? Double or triple?" Someone who could explain underrotation or wrong edge takeoff to the average Joe or Josephine. Someone who could call a spin as it's happening-- back or forward, position names, changes of edge, etc. But even more importantly, that person needs to have an enthusiastic (not necessarily always positive) attitude. The ability to get fans excited about what they are seeing.
 

pista04

On the Ice
Joined
Feb 27, 2007
I think the points system was not entirely the reason. I think it was last nationals when Terry Gannon on NBC pulled up the score "Ranges" and compared them to things that people know, especially youth, with things like "Over 100?! Your on my top 8!" I find that very amusing and did indeed help, even if at that point I pretty much knew where the scores would land them.
 

Grgranny

Da' Spellin' Homegirl
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
I really miss Dick and the others. Did not like some of them. Especially Scott, Sandra and some others. Like Susie and Peggy when she finally got so she would say something, not as a compliment. For a long time, it seemed as if she were afraid to say something not so good about someone. One of the best was the Canadian dance skater whose partner died of aids. I'm surprised I remember my own name anymore. :rofl:
 

Kypma

Final Flight
Joined
May 12, 2007
One of the best was the Canadian dance skater whose partner died of aids. I'm surprised I remember my own name anymore. :rofl:

Tracy Wilson? She used to dance with Rob McCall, and he died several years ago... does she still do commentary? I've mainly been watching cbcsports.ca so I wouldn't know, I only hear PJ Kwong, when there is commentary...

-Kypma
 

Antilles

Medalist
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Tracy's still doing commentary. She's been with CBC since they got the skating contract for Canada. Like any commentator I've heard, she shows some national bias. Otherwise, she is a great commentator. Very informative without being boring, and she can point out weaknesses without sounding mean.
 

Tinymavy15

Sinnerman for the win
Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 28, 2006
I really do miss the commentary.
I didn't like most of the commentators, but they at least brought to light some interesting facts about training, or what happened in the warm up, or what her personal best is or SOMETHING. Even if i disagreed, it could spark a debate with my viewing mates. Nothing like skating on the big screen anyway.
 

Particle Man

Match Penalty
Joined
Mar 23, 2008
I miss the commentary also, especially Dick & Peggy. From your repeated referral to Dick Button in the past tense, I had to go check to make sure he was still alive. :rofl: I hope he commentates at Nationals, but that's not too likely since it will be on NBC. What good is his contract with ABC if ABC isn't showing skating? :think:

Anyway, I won't be seeing any live commentary of Nationals since I will be attending it. :biggrin:
 

vlaurend

Final Flight
Joined
Jan 14, 2008
I don't miss commentary at all, but I agree that fans who aren't IJS-savvy can be left wondering why skater A scored higher than skater B, who looked like she skated a clean program. I would love it if someone with technical specialist training could be the commentator on IceNetwork!
 

pista04

On the Ice
Joined
Feb 27, 2007
I loved the golden team of Terry, Dick and Peggy. Especially their fluff pieces. Gah. Loved it.
 

momjudi

On the Ice
Joined
Jul 10, 2006
I miss the commentary only because I still have trouble identifying some jumps and the commentators would usually say which jump was which. I DO NOT miss the mindless babble that went on, things that could had been said while waiting for the scores instead of over the music.

I also miss some of the fluff pieces and I miss Terry but not Peggy.
 

casken

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 24, 2007
Nope don't miss it at all, and I'm already dreading the return of Scott and Sandra for Nats and Worlds.

As for Dick and Peggy, I've never learned anything from them and the only time I ever found anything Dick said that actually made me laugh was when he said something completely wrong and Terry Gannon, the guy that is supposed to represent the lay person, actually had to correct him on how the rules work. So really even in that case it was Terry that made me laugh.

I can't even begin to count how many times Dick has misidentfied an element, said things that went completely against the rules, or droned on and on over a skaters program becuase he didn't like the music or some body position. I'll still take him over Scott Hamilton any day though.

Terry Gannon and the Brit EuroSport guys :bow:

Dick and Peggy :unsure:
Scott and Sandra :banging:
Susie :sheesh:
Tracy :indiff:
 

iluvtodd

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 5, 2004
Country
United-States
I miss :bow: Uncle Dickie, Terry, Suzie, Paul, and Tracy. :cry:

There were times that I think Dick was overly critical of skaters, but I still loved laughing with his classic comments, and I certainly learned a lot from him through the years.
 
Joined
Jul 11, 2003
What bothers me about commentary, is that some former skaters (now commentators) will say 'it looked like he underrotated that. We'll have to wait to see what the Caller says'.

While it is true that the commentator has no power on the scores, and that he has been probably directed to use care in what he says, I would like the former skater to speak out on his/her power of conviction. He/she doesn't need a caller seminar to spot an underrotation. It won't change the outcome but at least it will show doubt.

As for learning a sport, I caught on to Rugby quite quickly but I am still confused about Cricket, and that sticky wickit.
 

sk8rgrl3

Rinkside
Joined
Jan 19, 2005
I don't miss it at all. I have enjoyed watching the Grand Prix series. Just music and skating. But, I am also a coach that understands IJS.
 

justpat

Spectator
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
IceNetwork should hire Paul Wylie to do the commentary. I miss Paul...bring back Paul!

Yes, I enjoy Paul and Kurt Browning.

There were times that I think Dick was overly critical of skaters, but I still loved laughing with his classic comments, and I certainly learned a lot from him through the years.

Sorry if I made it sound like he had passed away.
I don't enjoy how they use Dick as comic relief now-- Push Dick's Button. Years ago he was better at calling the elements than now and . But my daughter's and my all-time favorite quote that we still repeat today is "Well THAT was ugly!" I just couldn't believe he blurted that out. I don't remember who or what happened, just that very animated remark. :laugh:

I just feel that there are so many things that have contributed to a lack of interest in the sport and having someone who can comment in a way that connects with people and gets them to know and love the sport would be an asset. The fluff pieces help to create a connection between the skaters and the audience. The short tutorials on proper technique and identifying elements educate the casual fan.
 

gkelly

Record Breaker
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
having someone who can comment in a way that connects with people and gets them to know and love the sport would be an asset.

This is certainly true for new and/or casual fans.

Who, for the most part, are not the people who would be paying money to watch skating online as opposed to being broadcast on TV.

The fluff pieces help to create a connection between the skaters and the audience. The short tutorials on proper technique and identifying elements educate the casual fan.

The advantages to these segments is that they take place between the skating, not during the programs. So other than when one is watching live, those who don't like them can skip them. And they can fill the time in educational ways between

I also think that while a skater is taking the ice (professional information about the skater such as the coach/choreographer and music information often displayed in graphics, and brief human interest tidbits, or alerts about unusual moves such as planned quads to look out for in the program) and after the performance before the scores are announced (analysis of the program or elements just completed) are great times for educational commentary.

During the actual performance, while the music is playing, I'd prefer no commentary at all. Or else, if a suitably knowledgeable, analytical, and articulate commentator is available who can supply such commentary in real time without stumbling over his/her words, a few very specific analytical comments about of the elements and skating content that set this skater apart from the others.

Or perhaps about the choreography and musical interpretation, depending on the commentator's expertise . . . and the discipline. Educational commentary about how particular dance styles are traditionally interpreted could be especially useful in understanding some of the judging points in compulsory and original dances.
 

visaliakid

Final Flight
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Country
United-States
I think the points system was not entirely the reason. I think it was last nationals when Terry Gannon on NBC pulled up the score "Ranges" and compared them to things that people know, especially youth, with things like "Over 100?! Your on my top 8!" I find that very amusing and did indeed help, even if at that point I pretty much knew where the scores would land them.

Since when has (ABC/ESPN's) Terry Gannon been a commentator on NBC? I have no idea who you are referring to, but Terry has never been on NBC!
 
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