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Wow what a talent!
I'm not good at the jumps thing....so is 4S more difficult than 4T? What's the diff in terms of points?
4S is worth 0.20 points more than 4T (10.30) and is a jump that has been landed in competition. Patrick had asked others at his training rink and 4F was nominated to be his next quad so I was a little surprised he has done 4S instead. I too think he likes and does 3F better than 3S. Takahashi has attempted 4F but has always underrotated and two footed it so it's not in the record book yet.
eta. Click on ISU Communication 1611 on this page to see the point values of jumps on Pg 2.
3A - 8.5
4T - 10.3
4S -10.5
4Lo - 12.0
4F -12.3
4Lz -13.6
4A - 15.0
Another questions, over the years, there are many quads have been done successfully, what kind of quads were they? Has anyone done 4S? 4Lo? 4F? 4Lz?
I think Florent Amodio and Brian Joubert have also had them ratified.
Brian Joubert landed a 4S at 2006 CoR (the last time a skater did a 3-quad LP) but not since; he popped a couple of attempts later on and eventually said he'd focus on doing two 4Ts in his LP, an ambition that was derailed by his knee injury last season - he last did two at 2010 Worlds, IIRC. I think Amodio has landed 4S in practice and possible nationally, but I can't remember him doing so in international competition.Only 4T and 4S have been ratified. 4T is the most common and typical discussion about who has "the quad" references this jump. 4S was first landed by Tim Goebel and then Miki Ando. I think Florent Amodio and Brian Joubert have also had them ratified.
Not at all strange. Quad GOEs were different at the time: +GOEs were worth one point but -GOEs were worth 1.6 points. So -2 from the judges translates to -3.2, and -3 was -4.8. Here's a sample protocol - scroll down to Jeremy Abbott's scores and you can see it.Amodio's LP protocol from the French Nationals is strange. His 4S received -2 GOE from all judeges but the overall deduction is -3.20 with no apparent calls from the TP.
Patrick hasn't had 4F yet, jettasian. People were just saying that with the way he was jumping 3F, he could easily do 4F.
Patrick is an exciting skater. With the speed like this, I won't be surprised if he has 3 kinds of quads and 4 quads in total in one competition by Sochi.