Program Components Score

[skater 17]

I think the problem is not the system, it has and will always be the pressure on judges and the federations wanting to influence the results at a regional, national or international level. We must relize that moving up the ladder in judging involves cooperation with federations from the grass roots and up. If you are to judge every part of the skate as it requires:ex. jumps,spins,transitions,skating skills,etc. The break down of the scores should be very different, refecting the differences between skaters. The strengths and weekness of the skater should be easy to evauate on paper without even watching the skater!!! I feel the judges have the ability to do the job with the system in place but to they have support to judge the skate of the day regardless of who delivers the performance.

 

[amber68]

If this isn't addressed we will eventually end up w/ programs that are solely jump based; the sport will eventually lose the artistic side. I hate that now it's almost impossible to win w/out a quad, imo that's ridiculous-a skater w/ better artistry and clean triples should beat a skater that lacks artistry and has quads imo.

You are delusional if you think that a skater is able to win gold & to stay at the very top for a long period of time based solely on great jumps.
I am really amazed that some people have this impression.
Even under 6.0 system when jumping was essential, the gold winners needed to also show very good skating skills .
Can you name a gold medalist who had great jumps but bad skating skills? (Though I can think of some sliver medalists that fit the profile , I really can't recall any gold medalist from Worlds or Olympics that didn't show very good to great skating skills).
The sport hasn't lost its artistic side under 6.0, why should it lose it now?
UnderCOP is actually much more possible to win medals even without quads. Oda is doing great even if he doesn't have a quad.
And Johnny Weir would do great if he managed to jump the darned triples....

 

[bear]

in the new judging system technical elements are very essential. if skater A makes excelent triple and skater B pour quad, the B skater will gain more points the A becouse it values more. the technical specialist tell the judges from what level start the deductions.
I believe that as ISU rules what elements skaters preform, they should also define what kind of music they can skate to. not every piece of music is skatable.

 

[SeaniBu]

I am still all for 3 - 6 Judges at most. But I still believe judges should not have a bias, so it is still "fantasy land" for SeaniBu. And really like the 10 point system even if it was more similar to the old 6.0 just came out in a method of 10s - like metric compared to the "freaky measurements."

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Problem with that Seanibu, is that we could get 3 Muslim judges from 3 different countries and well.......

Also, how does one judge for bias?

Joe

 

[Mathman]

And really like the 10 point system even if it was more similar to the old 6.0 just came out in a method of 10s - like metric compared to the "freaky measurements."

Scoring from 0 to 6 (seven gradations) actually makes some sense, according to psychologists that study human decision making. Many experiments have shown that the human brain is capable of discriminating 7 different gradations, but no more.

For instance, if you show a subject 7 sticks, each of a different length, then hide them and pass them out to the subject one by one, he or she can usually say, "this one is the fifth longest, that one is the third longest, etc. But with more than 7 most people can't do it. (Maybe that's why skaters skate in flights of 6, too. )

 

[SeaniBu]

Scoring from 0 to 6 (seven gradations) actually makes some sense, according to psychologists that study human decision making. Many experiments have shown that the human brain is capable of discriminating 7 different gradations, but no more.

For instance, if you show a subject 7 sticks, each of a different length, then hide them and pass them out to the subject one by one, he or she can usually say, "this one is the fifth longest, that one is the third longest, etc. But with more than 7 most people can't do it. (Maybe that's why skaters skate in flights of 6, too. )

There you go trying to make perfect sense out of something. No I am J/K. You always have some insight to these things of the number world. I thought it might do with the Roman prime. ???

 

[SeaniBu]

Problem with that Seanibu, is that we could get 3 Muslim judges from 3 different countries and well.......

Are you trying to crush my Fantasy land? Didn't I say I prefer to live in a world where there is no Bias from judges.

Also, how does one judge for bias?

I was going to say something witty .... well knowing me it wouldn't have been ( I am funny in SeaniBu fantasyland too) But how about body language, eye dilation, polygraph

 

[amber68]

On the other hand, it's easier to jump when your choreography, transitions or the in-betweens are non-existant. Sure, a quad is extremely difficult but when you have 10 seconds to set it up, mentally and physically, your chances of executing the move correctly is much higher than someone with difficult choreography (they are already tired) or from transitions.

Really? I only partially agree.
Let’s take some examples:
Evan - usually messes one of his jumps in sp though, this year, all his jump passes are at the beginning of the program
Jeff – always falls on the 4 T and very often messes the 3A even if it’s the opening jump. Is it because he's tired?
Stephane – usually has problems with his 3A even if it is always his opening jump
Sasha Cohen – she messed the first jumps in the LP at Olympics not the ones from the end of the program
This year’s Europeans – Most of the lower ranked skaters couldn’t execute the 3A from the beginning of the program but, they were pretty successful at backloading their programs. I haven’t seen many falls on the less difficult jumps even if they were placed at the end of the programs