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Re: It is not for sale
Engrsktr, I'm afraid I'm thinking along the same line with Mathman. I sincerely believe you've not bashed Michelle. It's perfectly fine to point out Michelle's weaknesses, that's your point of view and everyone should respect yours. But Michelle fans would disagree with you because they have their own opinions too. So it's natural that they rebut you. No matter, personal attacks are unwarranted. You were objective in your criticisms regarding Michelle's technical progress at the beginning but as time went by I'm afraid your posts began to sound like criticisms without basis. You appeared to start losing your objectivity in your later posts. Some of them were:
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1. "well you find me a skater that doesn't think so and I'll show you someone who is VERY secure within herself.... michelle isn't one of those people... she shows up faithfully EVERY year for 10 years..... I just believe that shows either a ton of personal insecurity, or an ego run amuck.... either way I wonder what happened to the athletes that could bow out gracefully with OR WITHOUT a medal... "
2. "Interesting question.... Kristi could have stayed around for YEARS and still have won..... but she didn't ..... she had specific goals and she had simply accomplished them and had nothing to prove to herself...... so what does michelle, for example, have to prove to herself.... "
3. "..... they are always going to be better than most of the up-and-comers.... and therein lies the problem... if they can always be as good as the newbies, then why have any new skaters... just let them reign as national champion and world champion until they retire from old age! (as old as that can be nowadays! "
4. "the thing is is that they wouldn't win simply because of michelle's name and reputation... the sport is judged - by humans - who have favorites and those they dislike - just like all of you...... it's been the pattern since the beginning and it has been said in this forum that a young skater has to pay her dues - if that's not favoritism, I don't know WHAT is!"
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Honestly, how can anyone see those as objective criticisms? It's not so much because they say negatively of Michelle, it's more because of how baseless those statements are. To me they do sound biased in one way or another. They are different from "I think Sasha's artistry is more superior than Michelle's" which is fine with me. It's just MHO on your posts.
Engrsktr, I'm afraid I'm thinking along the same line with Mathman. I sincerely believe you've not bashed Michelle. It's perfectly fine to point out Michelle's weaknesses, that's your point of view and everyone should respect yours. But Michelle fans would disagree with you because they have their own opinions too. So it's natural that they rebut you. No matter, personal attacks are unwarranted. You were objective in your criticisms regarding Michelle's technical progress at the beginning but as time went by I'm afraid your posts began to sound like criticisms without basis. You appeared to start losing your objectivity in your later posts. Some of them were:
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1. "well you find me a skater that doesn't think so and I'll show you someone who is VERY secure within herself.... michelle isn't one of those people... she shows up faithfully EVERY year for 10 years..... I just believe that shows either a ton of personal insecurity, or an ego run amuck.... either way I wonder what happened to the athletes that could bow out gracefully with OR WITHOUT a medal... "
2. "Interesting question.... Kristi could have stayed around for YEARS and still have won..... but she didn't ..... she had specific goals and she had simply accomplished them and had nothing to prove to herself...... so what does michelle, for example, have to prove to herself.... "
3. "..... they are always going to be better than most of the up-and-comers.... and therein lies the problem... if they can always be as good as the newbies, then why have any new skaters... just let them reign as national champion and world champion until they retire from old age! (as old as that can be nowadays! "
4. "the thing is is that they wouldn't win simply because of michelle's name and reputation... the sport is judged - by humans - who have favorites and those they dislike - just like all of you...... it's been the pattern since the beginning and it has been said in this forum that a young skater has to pay her dues - if that's not favoritism, I don't know WHAT is!"
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Honestly, how can anyone see those as objective criticisms? It's not so much because they say negatively of Michelle, it's more because of how baseless those statements are. To me they do sound biased in one way or another. They are different from "I think Sasha's artistry is more superior than Michelle's" which is fine with me. It's just MHO on your posts.