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Since when has artistry and beautiful vision been the exclusive property of "Russian style" coaches/choreographers?? Every good coach knows you need both art and architecture for the thing to hold up.
I don't think the topic is about Style and certainly not Russian because I perceive Russian style for all Russian skaters to be cut from the same bolt.Since when has artistry and beautiful vision been the exclusive property of "Russian style" coaches/choreographers?? Every good coach knows you need both art and architecture for the thing to hold up.
This is one of the most retarded threads I've ever read, and that's saying a lot.
Should people like TT who value artistry and beauty in skating just give up then because it's not going to be appreciated? Should all skaters adopt cold empty jump programs with no choreography and ignore music?
IF Mao is having issues with her jumps, well she always had a flutz and she's had issues with the triple toe and triple salchow for years.
^This is one of the most retarded threads I've ever read, and that's saying a lot.
There was yet another evil woman in Johnny's life who's name starts with a P.
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momjudi, I understand you're just curious, but the thing is, I can only please one special person per day. Ask me tomorrow again, OK?do you have anything against Priscilla besides
Sorry, I did not make myself understood clearly enough. I just made my story more interesting by adding some spice.
I hear that Tarasova approached Mao, not the other way around. Krenseby said that Mao's jumping ability have deteriorated because of Tarasova's influence, so, I add my imagination, the Korean conspiracy theory to Krenseby's opinion to make it more interesting. My imagination is that there is the Korean Federation behind the scheme and they actually made Tarasova approach Mao and persuade Mao into pursuing artistic greatness first and Mao's jumping ability deteriorates because of it. That is the outcome that the Korean Federation hoped for from the beginning. Do not you thnk it is good imagination?
So you're a big fan of conspiracy theory, huh?
But be careful! Imagining yourself is one thing and saying it as if it is fact is another. The former is simply delusional but the latter is rather crimial.
Besides, to my understanding, it was team Mao's decision of this season to focus on "artistry" rather than fixing technial problems. So far it also worked, didn't it? Her TES and PCS says it.
momjudi, I understand you're just curious, but the thing is, I can only please one special person per day. Ask me tomorrow again, OK?
Actually, I think there is something to why TT works better for Russian and Japanese skaters than she does for Americans, and it has nothing to do with aesthetic preference. TT is a Soviet coach who demands total dedication and total obedience from her athletes; it's not for naught that she is the daughter of the Anatoly Tarasov, one of the greatest and most dictatorial hockey coaches ever. She says she doesn't want to work with automatons; however, all this means is that the feistier of her students such as Yagudin or Bestemianova could argue with her regarding the direction of their training or programs. However, once she would make up her mind, she did indeed demand blind obedience. In one of the parts of the movie on Tarasova, Bukin talks about actually being noxious from fatigue after the practice - that's her standard. I think that despite the lip service she may pay to the more modern teacher/ student relationships, it is that more traditional model she needs to be at her best as a coach.
Oh, and as to beauty in skating and Johnny... I think that if he were only presented with boring element-by-element programs, Johnny would become totally de-motivated and/or quit skating altogether. He is an artist, and it is creating beautiful pieces on the ice that keeps keeps him going to a large degree.
Finally, I don't think it's right too rely too heavily on Tarasova's comments as a judge of a celebrity skating show. Naturally, show skating is more geared toward being, well, showy. I think it is unwise to think that TT does not wear very different hats as a coach and as a judge of a made-for-TV nothing-to-do-with-the sport show. To get a better gauge of what she actually thinks as a coach/ choreographer, consider her comments during the GP events. While some of them are indeed aesthetic-based (for example, she seemed appalled that Uspenski's FS choreography had nothing at all to do with the music), most of what she says is actually quiet technical. Mostly, when she criticizes programs it is the criticism of specific elements, such as footwork, spin, or spiral being at a lower level than she believes the skater is capable of.
Now let me tell you, Tarasova's insistence on completeness and lengthy execution of choreographical elements is responsible for ruining the careers of Sasha Cohen and Johnny Weir.
Now that makes sense. I remember when I was playing volleyball in Jr high school in Japan, I got ***** slapped if I hit the ball out or missed digging opponents spikes druing games in front of all other students and parents watching us. My coach kicked me once in the stomach during the practice when I messed up setting up a ball for one of our spikers. I thought that was normal back then... Is that how Tarasova coach skaters??
Wow!
I hope it is not the case between TT and her students. I cannot imagine TT slapping or kicking Mao or Shizuka and I don't think she would
When I was a kid I saw a feature on training of the Japanese national women's volleyball team, and what you describe doesn't surprise me a bit: the coach slammed the ball over and over at one woman who was clearly dazed. My dad, who was watching with me, told me that is what it takes to be a world-class athlete in a team sport, which scared the daylights out of me.Now that makes sense. I remember when I was playing volleyball in Jr high school in Japan, I got ***** slapped if I hit the ball out or missed digging opponents spikes druing games in front of all other students and parents watching us. My coach kicked me once in the stomach during the practice when I messed up setting up a ball for one of our spikers. I thought that was normal back then... Is that how Tarasova coach skaters??