2014 Skate America FD 10/25

[Matt K]

Dance medal ceremony on IN backstage video stream right now -- no paid subscription necessary:

http://www.icenetwork.com/video/v36823245​

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https://twitter.com/tessavirtue/status/523492058150232064
2 minutes later:
https://twitter.com/ScottMoir/status/523492589027479552

 

[Winnie_20]

Just catching up with this, the American couple Cannuscio / McManus, WOW. Hope to see a lot more of them!

 

[noidont]

The Shibs do not understand nuance.

 

[FSGMT]

I'm trying to watch the FD and... all the videos of the Shibs are blocked?!

 

[dorispulaski]

It is always the case with Skate America that blocking will be done.

This one is still live as of 4:40 Eastern

 

[Florencito]

Paradis/Oullette are so handsome, And they got even more handsome when Romain joined them in the K&C
I'm so in love with this group Lauzon, Dubreuil and Haguenauer have made. No surprise that all my favourite programs so far bar Hawayek/Baker's are their students'! That stationary lift was a thing of beauty!

 

[sisinka]

Not sure I heard/understood everything correctly, but the commentator I was listening to said that it had something to do with the entry edges to the twizzles and how they cannot enter all sets of twizzles on the same foot or something else about the number of steps in between the sets, and not the low position or the "spin" of it. Commentator said it was an easy choreographic change to make. I hope they can keep the low twizzles and not lose levels for it - it was unique and I loved them!

I'm watching the cbc streaming in Canada. I actually don't know who the commentator is. I didn't recognize her voice. Not Carol Lane or Brenda Irving. Anyone else watching that knows?

I'm pretty sure it's Tanith Belbin.

As to comments about Stepanova & Bukin and wrong entry edge like minor mistake which caused that the couple lost all Levels in Twizzles….I don’t think this is the only problem, and I even think that she is wrong.

According ISU rules:
The four (4) different types of entry edges for Twizzles are as follows:
Forward Inside; Forward Outside; Backward Inside; Backward Outside.

In both SD and FD Sasha & Ivan started with Forward Outside edge (Sit Twizzles), then continued with Forward Outside edge into different direction and the third Set with jump into it (the entry edge for the Twizzle is determined by the landing edge of the Dance Jump) was started from Backward Outside edge. So according the rules, they executed third Set of Twizzles from different entry edge then previous two ones.

But even if we imagine that the couple would loose Feature from Group C, they would still have Feature from Group A and B (arm and leg position) which would be enough for Level 2, but they got Level 1. So, I think that problem is somewhere else.

Btw. Junior Grand Prix had another Svinin & Zhuk’s students in – Shpilevaya & Smirnov and this couple uses the same Feature from Group C in their programs – they are executing third Set of Twizzles and their all Sets entry edge are - Forward Inside, Forward Outside and Forward Inside in the third Set….and the couple got Level 4 (for this Level you need Feature from all three Groups).

Rule about different direction of rotation is done by Sasha and Ivan during the first two Sets.

This time slow motion moments show a middle of Sit Twizzles and it is visible that they are both moving just for half a rotation and second half a rotation is done on one place, and in the next rotation once again and once again.

 

[TMC]

Just catching up with this, the American couple Cannuscio / McManus, WOW. Hope to see a lot more of them!

I'm a huge fan

They've improved soooo much from last season, and even from their last competition!

Colin's height makes his presence really striking; those looooong legs....

 

[Alba]

I'm trying to watch the FD and... all the videos of the Shibs are blocked?!

I can see all their videos posted by Mao88.

 

[elif]

As to comments about Stepanova & Bukin and wrong entry edge like minor mistake which caused that the couple lost all Levels in Twizzles….I don’t think this is the only problem, and I even think that she is wrong.

According ISU rules:
The four (4) different types of entry edges for Twizzles are as follows:
Forward Inside; Forward Outside; Backward Inside; Backward Outside.

In both SD and FD Sasha & Ivan started with Forward Outside edge (Sit Twizzles), then continued with Forward Outside edge into different direction and the third Set with jump into it (the entry edge for the Twizzle is determined by the landing edge of the Dance Jump) was started from Backward Outside edge. So according the rules, they executed third Set of Twizzles from different entry edge then previous two ones.

But even if we imagine that the couple would loose Feature from Group C, they would still have Feature from Group A and B (arm and leg position) which would be enough for Level 2, but they got Level 1. So, I think that problem is somewhere else.

Btw. Junior Grand Prix had another Svinin & Zhuk’s students in – Shpilevaya & Smirnov and this couple uses the same Feature from Group C in their programs – they are executing third Set of Twizzles and their all Sets entry edge are - Forward Inside, Forward Outside and Forward Inside in the third Set….and the couple got Level 4 (for this Level you need Feature from all three Groups).

Rule about different direction of rotation is done by Sasha and Ivan during the first two Sets.

This time slow motion moments show a middle of Sit Twizzles and it is visible that they are both moving just for half a rotation and second half a rotation is done on one place, and in the next rotation once again and once again.

Tanith could be right. Maybe you have to do different entry edge for first two twizzles. I remember other three set of twizzlers doing three different entry edge .Last year Stepanova/Bukin did that too. If I remember correctly that junior team also lost a level on twizzles, but they must lost only Group C feature. Their first two set is different which is requirement for level2.

 

[dorispulaski]

As to comments about Stepanova & Bukin and wrong entry edge like minor mistake which caused that the couple lost all Levels in Twizzles….I don’t think this is the only problem, and I even think that she is wrong.

According ISU rules:
The four (4) different types of entry edges for Twizzles are as follows:
Forward Inside; Forward Outside; Backward Inside; Backward Outside.

In both SD and FD Sasha & Ivan started with Forward Outside edge (Sit Twizzles), then continued with Forward Outside edge into different direction and the third Set with jump into it (the entry edge for the Twizzle is determined by the landing edge of the Dance Jump) was started from Backward Outside edge. So according the rules, they executed third Set of Twizzles from different entry edge then previous two ones.

To get credit for level 2, level 3, or level 4, the first two twizzles must be entered from different edges. In Sasha & Ivan's case, both are entered from the Forward Outside Edge, so they get credit for Level 1 only, no matter what other features are added. As Tanith said, this is a mistake of the choregrapher-if there were an additional step and turn between the first two sets of twizzles, they could start their second twizzle from a different edge. But they didn't.

Here's the requirements for level 2, which they did not meet as a consequence of this:

Different entry edge and different
direction of rotation of the two
Twizzles

AND
At least 4 rotations in each of the two
Twizzles
AND
At least 3 different Additional
Features (at least 1 of which being
a Difficult Additional Feature) from
3 different Groups

Level 3 and Level 4 start with the same requirement I have bolded with only 2 twizzles talked about, so those requirements are not met either.

It doesn't matter that the extra set of twizzles started from a different edge. It is the first two twizzles that have the requirement to be different.

All that happens if they add an extra step (they can get up to 3 steps) is that the twizzle is coded as synchronized twizzles rather than sequential twizzles.

 

[sisinka]

To get credit for level 2, level 3, or level 4, the first two twizzles must be entered from different edges. In Sasha & Ivan's case, both are entered from the Forward Outside Edge, so they get credit for Level 1 only, no matter what other features are added. As Tanith said, this is a mistake of the choregrapher-if there were an additional step and turn between the first two sets of twizzles, they could start their second twizzle from a different edge. But they didn't.

Here's the requirements for level 2, which they did not meet as a consequence of this:



Level 3 and Level 4 start with the same requirement I have bolded with only 2 twizzles talked about, so those requirements are not met either.

It doesn't matter that the extra set of twizzles started from a different edge. It is the first two twizzles that have the requirement to be different.

All that happens if they add an extra step (they can get up to 3 steps) is that the twizzle is coded as synchronized twizzles rather than sequential twizzles.

Tanith could be right. Maybe you have to do different entry edge for first two twizzles.

Thanks for explanation.
But in this case it is a mistake of ISU rules and people who created this, because as you copy a part of rule about Level 2-4, it sounds....Different entry edge and different direction of rotation for the two Twizzles...it doesn't speak about which two Twizzles (first and third Set, or second and third Set, or first and second Set) must be done in different direction and different entry edge...it only speaks about Two Twizzles, not noticed IT MUST NECESSARILY BE FIRST TWO SETS. If rules are not explained in detail, then many people can explain it in many ways.

The same thing for example in Dance Holds....when ISU rules are saying that dance hold is counted when it is held long enough and clearly recognized...what does it mean? That you keep it for 2 seconds, or for at least one turn, or for 3 seconds?.....or one Technical Specialist will say 2 seconds are enough and another will take a half second and a beginning of one turn like long enough?

 

[sisinka]

To get credit for level 2, level 3, or level 4, the first two twizzles must be entered from different edges.

Level 3 and Level 4 start with the same requirement I have bolded with only 2 twizzles talked about, so those requirements are not met either.

One thing is that ISU rules don't write that those requirements must be strictly done in first two Sets...
...another thing is that Technical specialist in Finlandia Trophy counted both Twizzles in Stepanova & Bukin's SD and FD like Level 4. He probably took ISU rules like I decribed above. Plus he really didn't notice a visible Piruette kids were doing, which should take one Level down.

What are such Technical specialists for when every single one is judging according different criterias? And as we know one level up and down can make a quite big difference in placement. At the Olympics 2014 5 couples from 12th to 16th place were in distance of 0.57 points.

And if Level 1 was thanks to bad edge in the first Sets, why are some couples getting poor marks and loosing levels for Piruettes or Three turns while Stepanova & Bukin's Sit Twizzles which are not performed correctly like Twizzles looking at blades are OK? What's the sense of it?

 

[ice coverage]

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https://twitter.com/tessavirtue/status/523492058150232064
2 minutes later:
https://twitter.com/ScottMoir/status/523492589027479552

G'day, Matt K.

:agree: I do love that Tessa and Scott's "dueling" tweets give us a way to continue enjoying their partnership and repartee.

Equally cool is that through social media, they both are expressing themselves as individuals too -- esp. Tessa, whose Instagrams also are great.

 

[Doggygirl]

Paradis/Oullette are so handsome, And they got even more handsome when Romain joined them in the K&C
I'm so in love with this group Lauzon, Dubreuil and Haguenauer have made. No surprise that all my favourite programs so far bar Hawayek/Baker's are their students'! That stationary lift was a thing of beauty!

This was one of my favorite dances of the night!

 

[Doggygirl]

To get credit for level 2, level 3, or level 4, the first two twizzles must be entered from different edges. In Sasha & Ivan's case, both are entered from the Forward Outside Edge, so they get credit for Level 1 only, no matter what other features are added. As Tanith said, this is a mistake of the choregrapher-if there were an additional step and turn between the first two sets of twizzles, they could start their second twizzle from a different edge. But they didn't.

Here's the requirements for level 2, which they did not meet as a consequence of this:



Level 3 and Level 4 start with the same requirement I have bolded with only 2 twizzles talked about, so those requirements are not met either.

It doesn't matter that the extra set of twizzles started from a different edge. It is the first two twizzles that have the requirement to be different.

All that happens if they add an extra step (they can get up to 3 steps) is that the twizzle is coded as synchronized twizzles rather than sequential twizzles.

Thank you Doris!

 

[elif]

What about Chock and Bates's twizzles in FD? I think they are using ''clear change of side: both partners cross pattern at least once during the rotations'' feature. Looks very suspicious to me.

 

[dorispulaski]

In what way suspicious?

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Right. The British Eurosport coverage of the Free Programmes has just started, with highlights of the Free Dance and Men's Free, followed by LIVE coverage of the Pairs Free and the Ladies Free.

Unfortunately, www.day.to doesn't have a British Eurosport 2 stream today. So, I am hoping that it is still going to be on Eurosport 2 International.

Eurosport 2 International Livestream

Hope this helps

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Alba]

Right. The British Eurosport coverage of the Free Programmes has just started, with highlights of the Free Dance and Men's Free, followed by LIVE coverage of the Pairs Free and the Ladies Free.

Unfortunately, www.day.to doesn't have a British Eurosport 2 stream today. So, I am hoping that it is still going to be on Eurosport 2 International.

Eurosport 2 International Livestream

Yes. Eurosport 2 is showing it.



I love the young canadian couple P&X with their FD. The lightness, the effortless, the control, the interpretation was just breathtaking.
They're a beauty to see and I do not agree with their components scores at all.