For those who are saying "Well, Hanyu got 90 PCS at Worlds 2014, so 84 here is about right..." consider Hanyu's TEB 2013 FS PCS of 81.94 with a quad fall/popped quad, versus 84.02 PCS with 5 falls (2 quad falls, an axel fall, a UR loop fall, and a lutz fall). It makes no sense.
I think the vast majority of people, maybe 95%, agree that it makes no sense, but what's done has been done. I don't think the circumstances are right to debate PCS, this was too much of a freak outlier incident to judge by normal standards.For those who are saying "Well, Hanyu got 90 PCS at Worlds 2014, so 84 here is about right..." consider Hanyu's TEB 2013 FS PCS of 81.94 with a quad fall/popped quad, versus 84.02 PCS with 5 falls (2 quad falls, an axel fall, a UR loop fall, and a lutz fall). It makes no sense.
But here's the judging rant... I know it's a bit classless (as have been some of the comments) given Hanyu's predicament - and I feel horrible for him - but the reality is we still have to talk about the skating.
Hanyu had an SP with a tripled quad and no combo, he had an LP with 5 falls (including a UR) and just 4 triples. Overall, the 6 triple jumps Hanyu cleanly executed between SP and LP (3A, 3T & 3F, 3A+3S, 3Z) wouldn't even amount to Nguyen's 1 quad+7 triple FS (4S, 3A, 3A+3T, 3F+2T+2L, 3F+2T, 3L, 3Z). And somehow that translates to Hanyu beating Nguyen by 16 points. Kovtun's PCS score was also pretty high, but at least he landed one quad, and both axels (save for a touchdown on the 2nd one) and only had 1 fall on the 4S. It is absolutely insane that a FS with just 4 triples and 5 falls came 2nd in the FS with 84 PCS... and coupled with an SP with no quad or combo was STILL enough to win 2nd place in a GP event.
For those who are saying "Well, Hanyu got 90 PCS at Worlds 2014, so 84 here is about right..." consider Hanyu's TEB 2013 FS PCS of 81.94 with a quad fall/popped quad, versus 84.02 PCS with 5 falls (2 quad falls, an axel fall, a UR loop fall, and a lutz fall). It makes no sense.
But here's the judging rant... I know it's a bit classless (as have been some of the comments) given Hanyu's predicament - and I feel horrible for him - but the reality is we still have to talk about the skating.
Hanyu had an SP with a tripled quad and no combo, he had an LP with 5 falls (including a UR) and just 4 triples. Overall, the 6 triple jumps Hanyu cleanly executed between SP and LP (3A, 3T & 3F, 3A+3S, 3Z) wouldn't even amount to Nguyen's 1 quad+7 triple FS (4S, 3A, 3A+3T, 3F+2T+2L, 3F+2T, 3L, 3Z). And somehow that translates to Hanyu beating Nguyen by 16 points. Kovtun's PCS score was also pretty high, but at least he landed one quad, and both axels (save for a touchdown on the 2nd one) and only had 1 fall on the 4S. It is absolutely insane that a FS with just 4 triples and 5 falls came 2nd in the FS with 84 PCS... and coupled with an SP with no quad or combo was STILL enough to win 2nd place in a GP event.
For those who are saying "Well, Hanyu got 90 PCS at Worlds 2014, so 84 here is about right..." consider Hanyu's TEB 2013 FS PCS of 81.94 with a quad fall/popped quad, versus 84.02 PCS with 5 falls (2 quad falls, an axel fall, a UR loop fall, and a lutz fall). It makes no sense.
But here's the judging rant... I know it's a bit classless (as have been some of the comments) given Hanyu's predicament - and I feel horrible for him - but the reality is we still have to talk about the skating.
Hanyu had an SP with a tripled quad and no combo, he had an LP with 5 falls (including a UR) and just 4 triples. Overall, the 6 triple jumps Hanyu cleanly executed between SP and LP (3A, 3T & 3F, 3A+3S, 3Z) wouldn't even amount to Nguyen's 1 quad+7 triple FS (4S, 3A, 3A+3T, 3F+2T+2L, 3F+2T, 3L, 3Z). And somehow that translates to Hanyu beating Nguyen by 16 points. Kovtun's PCS score was also pretty high, but at least he landed one quad, and both axels (save for a touchdown on the 2nd one) and only had 1 fall on the 4S. It is absolutely insane that a FS with just 4 triples and 5 falls came 2nd in the FS with 84 PCS... and coupled with an SP with no quad or combo was STILL enough to win 2nd place in a GP event.
For those who are saying "Well, Hanyu got 90 PCS at Worlds 2014, so 84 here is about right..." consider Hanyu's TEB 2013 FS PCS of 81.94 with a quad fall/popped quad, versus 84.02 PCS with 5 falls (2 quad falls, an axel fall, a UR loop fall, and a lutz fall). It makes no sense.
I think so too. Bless those people who can still think straight after they witnessed the accident directly in the ice rink.
Hanyu had an SP with a tripled quad and no combo, he had an LP with 5 falls (including a UR) and just 4 triples. Overall, the 6 triple jumps Hanyu cleanly executed between SP and LP (3A, 3T & 3F, 3A+3S, 3Z) wouldn't even amount to Nguyen's 1 quad+7 triple FS (4S, 3A, 3A+3T, 3F+2T+2L, 3F+2T, 3L, 3Z). And somehow that translates to Hanyu beating Nguyen by 16 points. Kovtun's PCS score was also pretty high, but at least he landed one quad, and both axels (save for a touchdown on the 2nd one) and only had 1 fall on the 4S. It is absolutely insane that a FS with just 4 triples and 5 falls came 2nd in the FS with 84 PCS... and coupled with an SP with no quad or combo was STILL enough to win 2nd place in a GP event.
For those who are saying "Well, Hanyu got 90 PCS at Worlds 2014, so 84 here is about right..." consider Hanyu's TEB 2013 FS PCS of 81.94 with a quad fall/popped quad, versus 84.02 PCS with 5 falls (2 quad falls, an axel fall, a UR loop fall, and a lutz fall). It makes no sense.
