Yulia Lipnitskaya

[sjid]

There's no requirement for WC's team? I remember Liza said National is the most important?

Maybe this is the corruption that waterskiiiepic warned us about. Didn't you say something about trusting the fed, Meoima?

 

[Meoima]

Maybe this is the corruption that waterskiiiepic warned us about. Didn't you say something about trusting the fed, Meoima?

I don't trust the fed. Sigh... They are greedy.

 

[Alba]

There's no requirement for WC's team? I remember Liza said National is the most important?

Yes it is very important. They are many and have to compete with each other.
Having said that, the Fed can send whoever they want. Why do you think Adelina, or B&S, for sure are going at worlds (well if Adelina wants to) even though she isn't competing here? Because she is injured?
You would think that's another good reason not to send an athlete, coming back from an injury, at Worlds, but they do that because they consider them strong and good enough (in B&S case they don't have many choices anyway). They are convinced that they can deliver. You can make a B competition in feb, test skate and it's done. If they want to of course.

@sidj: Is not about corruption. Russian Fed doesn't have strick rules, sets of parameters, to choose which skater to send at Euros or Worlds. They are the one who choose who's to go. Of course having a good half season, compete and win, or place well at nationals, helps a lot, but it is not a rule.

 

[Alba]

I don't trust the fed. Sigh... They are greedy.

Maybe this is the corruption that waterskiiiepic warned us about. Didn't you say something about trusting the fed, Meoima?

I think you both are a bit confused.

This argument came out, in a hypothetical case, based on what Eteri said.

sjid said that she was worried that Eteri was not telling the truth about the possibility of having a new program, since there is no time because of the nationals in two weeks.

So, what I was saying is that she is telling the truth because they have time, if they wanted to change the LP. You do not go to nationals, not even at Euros, and it's Russian Fed who makes the decision who's going at Worlds

Now, since Eteri said this to the media, I guess she has the assurance that Yulia can go.
Obviously they will check her first, and she can partecipate in some B competition (there are two I think), and test skate before a commission.
Either that, or Eteri and Yulia would be willing to take the risk.


Having said that, we are talking about nothing because she is keeping R&J and is going to compete at Nationals.

 

[Meoima]

But still in this case between Adelina and other Russian girls, they should choose other girls. Adelina hasn't competed for mostly the whole season and if she's not ready by National, it's not like she will be ready for Euro and WC without any competitionnbefore that. And at this moment for sure all Liza, Anna, Yulia, Elena...are capable of getting on the podium at Europe, even win the title if they skate decently. No need to send Adelina who has just recovered from injury and lacked training and competitive mood.

At least with B/S they only have one choice. They are currently their strongest team and have the best reputation.

 

[Alba]

Russian Fed can send anyone they want, but considering Yulia's season so far, I don't think they're going to send her if she doesn't go to Nationals.

Why would Eteri say so convinced that she would change the program, if that was the case? Either she knows she can, or is an outright lie.

With Yulia, honest is not just the best policy, it's the only policy. If she is still thinking of world competition, then she must believe that R&J will be salvaged by then.

That's all she's thinking. Otherwise she wouldn't worry about ranking, and going through all this because of a GPF title or Russian title.

 

[Alba]

But still in this case between Adelina and other Russian girls, they should choose other girls. Adelina hasn't competed for mostly the whole season and if she's not ready by National, it's not like she will be ready for Euro and WC without any competitionnbefore that. And at this moment for sure all Liza, Anna, Yulia, Elena...are capable of getting on the podium at Europe, even win the title if they skate decently. No need to send Adelina who has just recovered from injury and lacked training and competitive mood.

Well, she can do B competitions and she is the Olympic Champion.
In anycase the fact is, if they want to send Adelina they will send her. Simple as that.

 

[sjid]

Why would Eteri say so convinced that she would change the program, if that was the case? Either she knows she can, or is an outright lie.



That's all she's thinking. Otherwise she wouldn't worry about ranking, and going through all this because of a GPF title or Russian title.

Two things, Alba. First, the way I read the interview there was no such conviction on Eteri's part. The interview is short, originally in another language, it's not clear what was meant. Enough said (unless you want to say more).

I would like to see what would happen if the fed chose Yulia without nationals. It might not be corruption, but it would certainly look corrupt. But what most interests me would be Yulia's reaction. Assuming others have better statistics, I would like to think that she would decline.

And since we're whiling away the afternoon on hypotheticals, sjid-she is actually sjid-he.

 

[Alba]

Enough said (unless you want to say more).

That's ok.

And since we're whiling away the afternoon on hypotheticals, sjid-she is actually sjid-he.

Sorry about that. My mistake.

 

[FIREBIRD]

I would like to see what would happen if the fed chose Yulia without nationals. It might not be corruption, but it would certainly look corrupt. But what most interests me would be Yulia's reaction. Assuming others have better statistics, I would like to think that she would decline.

How would that look corrupt? Different country, different rules. They have the right to send whomever they want. I believe the coaches and skaters themselves know that. After all, the fed is supporting a lot of those skaters, so in the end, only they have the right to send whomever they want, especially since there’s no “written” rule. They know the girls well, I'm sure they would make a good decision.

 

[Amei]

How would that look corrupt? Different country, different rules. They have the right to send whomever they want. I believe the coaches and skaters themselves know that. After all, the fed is supporting a lot of those skaters, so in the end, only they have the right to send whomever they want, especially since there’s no “written” rule. They know the girls well, I'm sure they would make a good decision.

Well look at all the bad feelings towards the US for sending the 4th place finisher over the 3rd place finisher. And the fact that there is no 'written rule' would make a lot of people point and say they have their favorities and regardless of how that person finishes they are sending them.

Though I think if they decided to send Yulia to Europeans or Worlds without a great showing at Nationals would be very easy to sell because she is the defending champ and defending silver medalist.

 

[Yamita]

So how does Russian Fed decide who goes to where? They have a board and board members vote?

 

[Sandpiper]

The problem with sending Yulia is that she a) hasn't had a great season so far b) there are other girls who are competitive at Europeans/Worlds, whether it's Anna, Alena, or Adelina. I think Yulia needs one solid LP under her belt--whether it's at Nationals or a Senior B--or else it's going to look corrupt. (I say look corrupt, not is corrupt). Especially if one of Anna or Alena has a somewhat decent showing at Nationals.

 

[sjid]

How would that look corrupt? Different country, different rules. They have the right to send whomever they want. I believe the coaches and skaters themselves know that. After all, the fed is supporting a lot of those skaters, so in the end, only they have the right to send whomever they want, especially since there’s no “written” rule. They know the girls well, I'm sure they would make a good decision.

If they can send anyone they want without explanation and rules, then they are opening themselves up to allegations of corruption in any country. The competitive system ranks athletes according to performance scores. If the fed considers more than rank when choosing, then everyone including the public should know the unwritten rules. The fed administers public funds in support of skaters, public funds also pay their salaries.

 

[sjid]

The problem with sending Yulia is that she a) hasn't had a great season so far b) there are other girls who are competitive at Europeans/Worlds, whether it's Anna, Alena, or Adelina. I think Yulia needs one solid LP under her belt--whether it's at Nationals or a Senior B--or else it's going to look corrupt. (I say look corrupt, not is corrupt). Especially if one of Anna or Alena has a somewhat decent showing at Nationals.

I'm afraid you are right. What's worse is that her placement is dropping.

 

[Meoima]

The problem with sending Yulia is that she a) hasn't had a great season so far b) there are other girls who are competitive at Europeans/Worlds, whether it's Anna, Alena, or Adelina. I think Yulia needs one solid LP under her belt--whether it's at Nationals or a Senior B--or else it's going to look corrupt. (I say look corrupt, not is corrupt). Especially if one of Anna or Alena has a somewhat decent showing at Nationals.

So it all depends on nationals. Go for it baby. I know you can do it. And you are just 16, this is for the long term.

 

[sabinfire]

Well, it seems that Liza and Elena are probably shoe-ins at this point, and as much as I'd love to see Julia competing Internationally, part of me would rather see Alena jump in at this point.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll see Julia competing beyond Nationals this season, though...

 

[sjid]

So how does Russian Fed decide who goes to where? They have a board and board members vote?

My questions as well. This forum has really opened my eyes. I imagined skating as a community of extraordinary young people who were respected and admired for their stellar accomplishments. Then I see the treatment that Yulia endures, without fed protection and in some cases with fed participation. They do nothing to inspire my confidence.

 

[adelia]

^This is an aspect of competitive figure skating that will never go away. It isn't just Rus Fed who has such problems either, it's pretty much endemic in the entire sport. There isn't a federation that is "fair" in its treatment of athletes.

 

[grantrf98]

With only a few months under my belt of following this sport, it seems to me that each Federation does not look solely at the performance at Nationals or placement amongst other skaters. I think they review the performance of the skater throughout the season and determine whether or not they have a shot at the title. For example, let's take the US and Wagner for the final spot on the Olympic team. Usually, they take the top 3 who placed at Nationals, but they chose Wagner over Nagasu because Ashley had much better outings leading up to Nationals than Mirai, so they thought Ashley had a better chance for an Olympic medal.

So my guess is that with virtually one spot left, assuming the other two spots are given to Elena and Liza, I think it all comes down to Anna and Yulia, who had similar results in their Grand Prix events this season. No matter how she places at Nationals, unless there's a meltdown or something, Yulia could go to Worlds if she proves that she could skate R&J with minimal mistakes, taking the edge over Anna because Yulia won Euros and received a silver at Worlds last year.