Yulia Lipnitskaya

[starlight97]

numbers from RN - Men and Ladies: https://translate.googleusercontent...5.html&usg=ALkJrhglFl8G3C5bsB5ThcLlM0iDLZwjqQ

The original: http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/juriv1/721245.html

Pity that this guy went to analyse her LP, only, in order to justify the judges and attack Yulia fans who got angry with them, after her short.

It personally can't stand the way he keeps comparing the Russian skaters to the foreign ones in a very idk hostile way towards the latter.
"Yuzuru is hard to reach for our skaters ....but not if he falls 5 times....*snicker*" that's what I read between the lines there.
To me that sounds like a pretty sarcastic hint at his FS which he chose to put down even after colliding with an other skater and being injured. Very low blow if that's the case.
Can't really put my finger on it but sth about the way he talks makes him sound very unlikable, even apart from that part about Yulia.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Disclaimer: Kurt Browning & company are highly critical of Julia here. Just a word of warning.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...da-352.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20120205155217

Don't ya know...eh?

 

[studentsb]

I just finished encoding and uploading what appears to be Julia's best FS of this season, CBC clip from the Trophée Éric Bompard in Bordeaux.

Loaded to Youtube in up to 1080p HD quality:

2014 TEB Julia Lipnitskaia FS CBC

Disclaimer: Kurt Browning & company are highly critical of Julia here. Just a word of warning.

Wow I'm surprised at just how critical they were! Pretty much no positive things to say.

 

[kinoriH]

I just finished encoding and uploading what appears to be Julia's best FS of this season, CBC clip from the Trophée Éric Bompard in Bordeaux.

Loaded to Youtube in up to 1080p HD quality:

2014 TEB Julia Lipnitskaia FS CBC

Disclaimer: Kurt Browning & company are highly critical of Julia here. Just a word of warning.

I usually enjoy CBC. A lot actually. I don't expect Brenda or Carol not to be harsh, but I was hoping for something else from Kurt, especially because he knows how hard it is to be a single skater.
And it's not only him. Tara and Johnny seem so "complain" about her a lot too. The only commentators taht I think never really criticize her are the ones from British Eurosport. Instead of pointing out her weaknesses, they focus on what she needs to improve and develop. They feel for her and you can sense they understand that something else is going on in her mind- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui5NWEQ9L1E
It makes all the difference IMO.
Ppl seem to forget her age and also the amount of responsiibily she has to provide for her family & please her fans.
What about some compassion.

 

[Amei]

I usually enjoy CBC. A lot actually. I don't expect Brenda or Carol not to be harsh, but I was hoping for something else from Kurt, especially because he knows how hard it is to be a single skater.
And it's not only him. Tara and Johnny seem so "complain" about her a lot too. The only commentators taht I think never really criticize her are the ones from British Eurosport. Instead of pointing out her weaknesses, they focus on what she needs to improve and develop. They feel for her and you can sense they understand that something else is going on in her mind- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui5NWEQ9L1E
It makes all the difference IMO.
Ppl seem to forget her age and also the amount of responsiibily she has to provide for her family & please her fans.
What about some compassion.

I feel American commentators tend to get very critical of skaters who aren't American (i am saying this as an American).

 

[sabinfire]

Aside from the critical commentary from the CBC, the thing that bugs me the most about this CBC broadcast is the CBC scrolling news ticker, and how it SPOILS THE FINAL RESULTS OF THE LADIES EVENT IN THE MIDDLE OF JULIA'S FS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWym9kc7VoY#t=129 (link to the specific moment of the video)

This didn't affect me personally since I watched the event live, but seriously?

 

[grantrf98]

I feel American commentators tend to get very critical of skaters who aren't American (i am saying this as an American).

Agreed! If I recall correctly, Tara and Johnny were complaining about how Yulia "donkey kicks" and how Tara didn't do that herself...shouldn't they be analyzing Yulia's performance instead of complaining let alone talking about themselves?

Bias is evident. Especially in the Ladies' division. It seems like Tara and Johnny praise Gracie and Ashley. I'm not saying they don't have nice things to say about other skaters, they are usually wowed by the dominance of the Russian skaters. But those comments come across as sarcastic/frosty at times, like they're tired of seeing a Russian win gold. But they jump at the opportunity to criticize their mistakes, especially Yulia because she made the most. I don't know, that's how I see it when I re-watch events on NBC.

 

[Meoima]

That's American commentators for you. I find Japanese commentators talking too much but at least they praise all the skaters regardless of their nations.

 

[starlight97]

That's American commentators for you. I find Japanese commentators talking too much but at least they praise all the skaters regardless of their nations.

I just Love Japan for that! The crowd at the World championships or in general Japanese crowds were so fair and appreciative of good skating, not of nationality as well, same goes for Spain !
The Spanish commentators never bash or complain about skaters, they are very positive when it's good and almost sorry when it isn't.
Of course they love Javi and want him to win but they don't express that by bringing down other skaters!
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So how does it work now, do you think Yulia will start preparing for the next season from now on, as in constructing actual programs?
Because she has a lot of time now and could really take it slow and steady without being forced to rush at the last minute.

 

[Meoima]

I just Love Japan for that! The crowd at the World championships or in general Japanese crowds were so fair and appreciative of good skating, not of nationality as well, same goes for Spain !
The Spanish commentators never bash or complain about skaters, they are very positive when it's good and almost sorry when it isn't.
Of course they love Javi and want him to win but they don't express that by bringing down other skaters!
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So how does it work now, do you think Yulia will start preparing for the next season from now on, as in constructing actual programs?
Because she has a lot of time now and could really take it slow and steady without being forced to rush at the last minute.

I agree that Spanish commentators are wonderful, too. They praise shaters a lot and never bash them.
About Yulia I think it depends on her mood, does she feel comfortable near the ice rink and competition now? If she hasn't then I hope she doesn't force herself.

 

[kinoriH]

That's American commentators for you. I find Japanese commentators talking too much but at least they praise all the skaters regardless of their nations.

Speaking of foreign commentators- here in Israel we don't have a commentary team for figure skating , but during the Olympics they opened a special channel just for the Winter Olympics and brought the usual commentator for Artistic Gymnastics. At first I was skeptical but then I found myself enjoying her commentay much more than NBC or CBC which is saying a lot.

 

[Alba]

Tara and Johnny had only compliments for Yulia last season. I guess this seaons they have changed the tune because she isn't doing well, maybe. As for Kurt Browning I'm not suprised at all. Last season you could very well understand that she wasn't a skater he likes. Even when she was doing great, like in the Team Event in Sochi and he couldn't really criticise much he made some criticism camouflaged as compliments. So I could only imagine what he can say now that he has the chance to be open about it. Carol Lane though used to be very enthusiastic about Yulia last season. :sarcasm:

Anyway, not a big deal. You can't please everybody.

It personally can't stand the way he keeps comparing the Russian skaters to the foreign ones in a very idk hostile way towards the latter.
"Yuzuru is hard to reach for our skaters ....but not if he falls 5 times....*snicker*" that's what I read between the lines there.
To me that sounds like a pretty sarcastic hint at his FS which he chose to put down even after colliding with an other skater and being injured. Very low blow if that's the case.
Can't really put my finger on it but sth about the way he talks makes him sound very unlikable, even apart from that part about Yulia.

I think that's more an irony towards their skaters and a compliment about Yuzuru. Kovtun won at CoC only because Yuzuru's falls. I know they like and respect Yuzuru a lot in Russia.

 

[starlight97]

I think that's more an irony towards their skaters and a compliment about Yuzuru. Kovtun won at CoC only because Yuzuru's falls. I know they like and respect Yuzuru a lot in Russia.

Could also be, it's a computer-made translation after all so things might sound different than in his actual words.

I also thought I know that they like and respect Yulia a lot in Russia but obviously this never applies to all all people if a certain place, especially when you 'fail to deliver' many people like to turn their back in you, like this article shows.
But I don't think that anything that's being written or said from now on really matters, this bad season is over and no articles or sth will change that, what matters now is that she can leave it behind her.

 

[sjid]

Agreed! If I recall correctly, Tara and Johnny were complaining about how Yulia "donkey kicks" and how Tara didn't do that herself...shouldn't they be analyzing Yulia's performance instead of complaining let alone talking about themselves?

Bias is evident. Especially in the Ladies' division. It seems like Tara and Johnny praise Gracie and Ashley. I'm not saying they don't have nice things to say about other skaters, they are usually wowed by the dominance of the Russian skaters. But those comments come across as sarcastic/frosty at times, like they're tired of seeing a Russian win gold. But they jump at the opportunity to criticize their mistakes, especially Yulia because she made the most. I don't know, that's how I see it when I re-watch events on NBC.

She's still doing that? Below is a link to their 2013 Canada broadcast. Tara identifies with Yulia (except for not connecting with music and audience because she doesn't paste on an All-American grin--but Tara forgives her). Last year it was the Good Yulia, this year it is the Bad Yulia. What a comedy. Can we wonder that Yulia prefers horses? Russian bashing is also very popular in America this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9pt4xWAbE

 

[Amei]

Agreed! If I recall correctly, Tara and Johnny were complaining about how Yulia "donkey kicks" and how Tara didn't do that herself...shouldn't they be analyzing Yulia's performance instead of complaining let alone talking about themselves?

Bias is evident. Especially in the Ladies' division. It seems like Tara and Johnny praise Gracie and Ashley. I'm not saying they don't have nice things to say about other skaters, they are usually wowed by the dominance of the Russian skaters. But those comments come across as sarcastic/frosty at times, like they're tired of seeing a Russian win gold. But they jump at the opportunity to criticize their mistakes, especially Yulia because she made the most. I don't know, that's how I see it when I re-watch events on NBC.

Yep! I've for the most part stopped watching the NBC broadcasts of skating events and have started getting on Youtube and viewing performances either with no commentary or commentary in a language I can't understand - it's made skating more enjoyable because I'm not listening to the negativity of the broadcasters and it's not affecting my view of the performance.

 

[MalAssada]

This is what I would do if I where Yulia:

January/February: Rest both physically and psychologically. Find a PRIVATE sports psychologist, therefore with no ties to the government or Russian Fed.
March/April: Dedicated for the creation of new programs. Ilya can't be busy with his shows during Worlds and soon after it. (I sincerely hope Eteri and Yulia ditch him, but anyway...)
May/June: Fix her technique in jumps that need fixing and get used to her new program - no more "not ready"
July: Off. A break is needed.
August/September: Back with full strength. Go to one or two Challenger events to build positive momentum and confidence.
October on: Rock it arty:

 

[kinoriH]

This is what I would do if I where Yulia:

January/February: Rest both physically and psychologically. Find a PRIVATE sports psychologist, therefore with no ties to the government or Russian Fed.
March/April: Dedicated for the creation of new programs. Ilya can't be busy with his shows during Worlds and soon after it. (I sincerely hope Eteri and Yulia ditch him, but anyway...)
May/June: Fix her technique in jumps that need fixing and get used to her new program - no more "not ready"
July: Off. A break is needed.
August/September: Back with full strength. Go to one or two Challenger events to build positive momentum and confidence.
October on: Rock it arty:

 

[Alba]

This is what I would do if I where Yulia:

January/February: Rest both physically and psychologically. Find a PRIVATE sports psychologist, therefore with no ties to the government or Russian Fed.
March/April: Dedicated for the creation of new programs. Ilya can't be busy with his shows during Worlds and soon after it. (I sincerely hope Eteri and Yulia ditch him, but anyway...)
May/June: Fix her technique in jumps that need fixing and get used to her new program - no more "not ready"
July: Off. A break is needed.
August/September: Back with full strength. Go to one or two Challenger events to build positive momentum and confidence.
October on: Rock it arty:

I agree except for some changes.

January rest. Feb/March/April fix whatever she needs to fex, if she can. Not 2A though, it helps her get the 3+2 combo. I don't care about the purist.
May/June do the programs, a bit rest in July and in a good form in August. Start with B competition in September.

 

[charmblade]

A semi-serious suggestion: Talk to Liza about how she spent her time last season when it ended early. Because whatever she did seems to have worked magic for her. I also agree that she should do several early season comps (again, like Liza) to get used to competing those programs and get them in front of the judges early.

 

[sjid]

Based on the little I know, I believe Yulia would benefit from the following:

1. Music is the highest priority. Immerse herself in music that she can develop expressively. Follow her instincts, take suggestions from those who know her, discuss with Eteri. Put her imagination to work on anything she likes enough to want to perform. Let the music seep in. Make a decision about Mulan, but look further just in case. There is a very good chance that R&J was the principal obstacle this year, the root cause out of which everything that went wrong emerged. Keep in mind Megapolis was immune.
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2. Find a choreographer who spends more time with Yulia than (s)he spends giving interviews about Yulia. Ilya's musical personality is somewhere between Hollywood and Broadway, while Yulia is between Broadway and Carnegie Hall. Ilya is the showman, Yulia is the artist. He is capable and contributes in important ways, but is not a good match. He doesn't think on her level-dimension, and has said that he is more creatively engaged with others. When watching her programs, you can pick out what is Yulia and what is Ilya. That is not good, it doesn't allow her to collaborate artistically. She needs a like-minded creative artist who may or may not also be a skater to share her vision. Alba, didn't you have someone in mind, I remember you mentioning someone two or three months ago. The point is to let her engage fully and creatively with those around her, not just to bring in a consultant-type with some marketing techniques which is how I imagine Ilya's role. If they can find a genuine collaborator (which she has never had) who appreciates the artist in her, then she will blossom beyond anyone's expectations. This is the path to surpassing greatness.
3. She needs to talk intensely to family, Eteri, and a carefully chosen professional. She needs to open up her heart and soul. Every effort should be made to get to the root of her skater's block. Then precautions must be set in place to avoid the environment that created her suffering. There are undoubtedly multiple causes. This approach should be continued as long as she skates, and a successful counselor should be engaged indefinitely. It is critical that she get a handle on what has happened. She cannot go on not knowing what, why, and how to extricate herself. She has said she is afraid. It will put her in misery and end her career. Her world has to be defined in a practical way that allows her to succeed if the R&Js are to be avoided. Eteri should be included in some of the sessions with the counselor, and possibly her mother. She and those closest to her need to know as much as possible about her vulnerabilities. Perhaps bring grandma to Moscow frequently. Nothing gets swept under the rug.

If these things are successfully put into place, the rest will take care of itself. Actual schedules should evolve out of the above. Anything she can do to simulate competitions should be incorporated, because her problems manifested themselves in competitions. She will not know if she is free until she competes. This is out of my area of competence, but I should think a sustaining physical program ought to be maintained.