Yulia Lipnitskaya

[mat]

I can't translate it either, sorry. I wish s/he had written in Russian instead.

Please:
Похоже, будут изменения. Лайшев, как деятельный управленец, начинает что-то делать. Он, возможно, по совету Горшкова, назначил Чайковскую главным тренером СамБО по фигурному катанию. Сейчас она начальник Этери и может влиять на обучение. Так он пытается достичь сразу двух целей: 1. Избежать скандала со сменой тренера. 2. По существу, сменить тренера.
Но сможет ли она отвратить Юлю от просмотра газет, телевидения, интернет-сообщений и прочего?

 

[Fayruza]

Please:
Похоже, будут изменения. Лайшев, как деятельный управленец, начинает что-то делать. Он, возможно, по совету Горшкова, назначил Чайковскую главным тренером СамБО по фигурному катанию. Сейчас она начальник Этери и может влиять на обучение. Так он пытается достичь сразу двух целей: 1. Избежать скандала со сменой тренера. 2. По существу, сменить тренера.
Но сможет ли она отвратить Юлю от просмотра газет, телевидения, интернет-сообщений и прочего?

Yeah, right, a typical Russian way of doing things. Lots of politicking - quite a lot of dirty politicking!

So what this piece of rumour boils down to is that Laishev interfered as a manager and appointed Tchaikovskaya as a principal coach of SamBO's figure skating section. Now
She's Eteri's boss, so she can influence coaching. Laishev's trying to change the coach without much outrage.
But can she get Yulia not to pay attention to newspapers, TV, the Internet etc?

Did anyone bother to ask Yulia?
I hope this rumour remains a rumour. It makes me ashamed of the underhand manner things get done in this country.

 

[mat]

Well, in all honesty as far as Eteri is concerned her results are very good so far.
Yulia was not doing well, but it's hardly a reason not be satisfied with Eteri. First of all it was Yulia's post Olympic season, and it's not the end of the world for a season gone wrong. Second, she has many other students which are doind very well. Most probably this is a move to release her from some responsibilities, so she can cope better with her workload as a coach.
Furthermore, let's not forget that there is also a question of funding between clubs and Tchaikovskaia is a big name with huge influence in Russia. I think it's a good move for the benefits of the club, not a punishment against anyone.

Earlier I wrote: Eteri picked up Julia to the level of Sochi. And for that she should be grateful. But we need to tell the truth. Eteri't know what to do with Julia to get her out of the swamp and to raise to a higher level. She is now a new body, new nerves, new reactions and a head crammed all smurfy.
Yes, Tchaikovskaya powerful and it will help the whole school Crystal. But Laishev more worrisome is the failure of Julia. Him for his career is necessary, first of all, the return of Julia.

 

[Fayruza]

Earlier I wrote: Eteri picked up Julia to the level of Sochi. And for that she should be grateful. But we need to tell the truth. Eteri't know what to do with Julia to get her out of the swamp and to raise to a higher level. She is now a new body, new nerves, new reactions and a head crammed all smurfy.
Yes, Tchaikovskaya powerful and it will help the whole school Crystal. But Laishev more worrisome is the failure of Julia. Him for his career is necessary, first of all, the return of Julia.

Right, translating this into English is that Laishev needs Yulia coming back for his political and official career.
Yeah right, what a perfect reason for Yulia to continue - to work for Laishev's promotion.
Sorry, I find this whole thing off-putting.

 

[mat]

Yeah, right, a typical Russian way of doing things. Lots of politicking - quite a lot of dirty politicking!

So what this piece of rumour boils down to is that Laishev interfered as a manager and appointed Tchaikovskaya as a principal coach of SamBO's figure skating section. Now
She's Eteri's boss, so she can influence coaching. Laishev's trying to change the coach without much outrage.
But can she get Yulia not to pay attention to newspapers, TV, the Internet etc?

Did anyone bother to ask Yulia?
I hope this rumour remains a rumour. It makes me ashamed of the underhand manner things get done in this country.

My dear, tell you the secret: policy it is everywhere and always dirty. But here the mud, probably not. I have no doubt that with Julia discussed. Laishev is a smart man and will never push athlete.

 

[Fayruza]

My dear, tell you the secret: policy it is everywhere and always dirty. But here the mud, probably not. I have no doubt that with Julia discussed. Laishev is a smart man and will never push athlete.

Thank you for being so condescending - I do realise politics is a dirty game. I also realise when politicians lie - when they open their mouths. So I guess Laishev's not any better than any other career-minded politician, eh?
But it saddens me to see athletes (or any people, for that matter) as pawns in that dirty game. Especially when they're so young.

 

[Alba]

Yeah, right, a typical Russian way of doing things. Lots of politicking - quite a lot of dirty politicking!

So what this piece of rumour boils down to is that Laishev interfered as a manager and appointed Tchaikovskaya as a principal coach of SamBO's figure skating section. Now
She's Eteri's boss, so she can influence coaching. Laishev's trying to change the coach without much outrage.
But can she get Yulia not to pay attention to newspapers, TV, the Internet etc?

Did anyone bother to ask Yulia?
I hope this rumour remains a rumour. It makes me ashamed of the underhand manner things get done in this country.

I don't know the reasons behind this move, but as an outsider I would be very happy if Tchaikovskaya becomes the head coach. Not only for funding reasons and her huge reputation and influence, but she really was a great coach and a choreographer. I always loved her. I just never thought about her becuase I thought she had retired.
I don't know if Yulia will change the coach or not. I think the decision will be hers, but I'm really happy if this news is true. It's a very good thing for the club, and therefore their skaters.
They need more people there, with all the skaters coming who are at a high level. Having someone like Tchaikovskaya keeping things under control or have an eye, or even as consulting is very very good, IMO.

 

[Noolan]

But Laishev more worrisome is the failure of Julia. Him for his career is necessary, first of all, the return of Julia.

Where's all this information coming from?

 

[Meoima]

If she changed coach, I don't mind as long as she's happy. But she and Eteri have a strong bond, I don't think she will change coach.

 

[Fayruza]

Where's all this information coming from?

Good question.

 

[mat]

Thank you for being so condescending - I do realise politics is a dirty game. I also realise when politicians lie - when they open their mouths. So I guess Laishev's not any better than any other career-minded politician, eh?
But it saddens me to see athletes (or any people, for that matter) as pawns in that dirty game. Especially when they're so young.

This should not be seen as a tragedy and there are no pawns. Julia wants to return itself. And, if the actions Laishev will help, he will receive gratitude.

 

[mat]

Where's all this information coming from?

Information scattered individual messages in the Russian press. Accented all this is never discussed - everyone is busy with other topics. This is my assumption - I in the beginning said about it.

 

[Fayruza]

Information scattered individual messages in the Russian press. Accented all this is never discussed - everyone is busy with other topics. This is my assumption - I in the beginning said about it.

Assumptions built on assumptions - I wonder why I bothered paying attention. Ah whatever!

 

[Alba]

Let's not rush into conlusion. There are different things in this move, if it's true.

1. Tchaikovskaya as head coach it's good in general for their club. However, it doesn't mean automatically that Yulia is changing coach
2. If Yulia change the coach and goes with Tchaikovskaya. That's very good too. Obviously if she wants that.
3. If that's the case, it means that she will have a very good coach, and choreographer, all for herself. Not to mention that she has a great reputation, therefore even politically powerful.

However, these are just speculations. I would wait before reaching any conclusions or worse be alarmed.
Personally, from this rumor I can see only positive outcomes.

 

[sjid]

Well maybe she and her mother, and maybe the Fed as well? are concerned that Eteri has too many students at and in the elite level. If she doesn't feel that she is getting coached properly or that people on her team are not giving her the time she needs from them, then she needs to make a change.

Thanks Mat, please keep us posted. I agree that this is very positive and represents a sincere effort on the part of the fed.

I had hoped for a major development, this is at least major. Amei seemed to see this coming, so I quote her post though I'm not replying to it. There are two principal reasons for Yulia's poor performance. One is the general public including press, and the other is programming most importantly music. This is a very smart way to approach the latter, the programming-music. It's clear to me that both Yulia and Eteri had input and attention is directed at providing adequate coaching. Eteri did not succeed with Yulia and did not know what to do, that was clear from her body language after performances. After Russian Nationals FS she appeared distraught. She and Yulia have been together for years, Eteri wants to do what she can for Yulia, I am certain she was among the most vocal of those asking for change. If they address the music-choreographer issue properly, Eteri can do a fine job. On the other hand, if Yulia is relegated to a program that isn't her, then no one can help. The fact that Yulia and Eteri succeeded with Megapolis concurrently with R&J is ample evidence of the importance of the music. Tchaikovskaya's choreographic background that Alba mentions indicates this is carefully planned to address Yulia's experience. This is all very encouraging, much more than I dreamed of. I am sitting on the edge of my chair, waiting to hear more. It is also interesting how the newspapers are on top of this. Could that happen anywhere else?

 

[sjid]

Let's not rush into conlusion. There are different things in this move, if it's true.

1. Tchaikovskaya as head coach it's good in general for their club. However, it doesn't mean automatically that Yulia is changing coach
2. If Yulia change the coach and goes with Tchaikovskaya. That's very good too. Obviously if she wants that.
3. If that's the case, it means that she will have a very good coach, and choreographer, all for herself. Not to mention that she has a great reputation, therefore even politically powerful.

However, these are just speculations. I would wait before reaching any conclusions or worse be alarmed.
Personally, from this rumor I can see only positive outcomes.

Thank you , Alba, you've made my day. #3 is exactly what I wanted to see. I am certain Eteri is instrumental in whatever evolves. She is devoted to Yulia. And Alba is nearly always right.

 

[Fayruza]

I just do wonder what those mysterious newspapers are. Can mat perhaps provide some links?

 

[Snow63]

I highly doubt she will change her coach. Even with the Federation's pressure. Besides, no clear source of these news were posted here or on russian boards. So maybe it's someone's wishful thinking.

 

[Fayruza]

I highly doubt she will change her coach. Even with the Federation's pressure. Besides, no clear source of these news were posted here or on russian boards. So maybe it's someone's wishful thinking.

I tried googling and failed to find any information. But I'd be very much surprised to find any serious articles given that's it's holiday season in Russia now. Until next Monday at least.

 

[sjid]

I highly doubt she will change her coach. Even with the Federation's pressure. Besides, no clear source of these news were posted here or on russian boards. So maybe it's someone's wishful thinking.

I tend to agree. If she has a kindred spirit to choreograph-coach music while Eteri remains her main coach (as with Eteri-Dudakhov), that will be an ideal world.