State of the U.S. Men's Figure Skating for 2014-15

[IcyEdges]

Can someone get the number of the highest score Jeremy can get with two clean programs? Thank you in advance

2012 US Nationals

1 Jeremy Abbott 273.58 1 90.23 1 183.35

2014 US Nationals

1 Jeremy Abbott 274.27 1 99.86 2 174.41

I'm pretty sure his best international score for GP was CoC a few years back where he won with a 242.-Something

 

[cruzceleste]

2012 US Nationals

1 Jeremy Abbott 273.58 1 90.23 1 183.35

2014 US Nationals

1 Jeremy Abbott 274.27 1 99.86 2 174.41

Sorry, I mean the highest score he could get with his current programs going clean.

But thank you for the reference.

 

[snowflake]

The state of the US men is that nationals can be won without a quad

Those are big ifs. With Machida out a podium spot is up for grabs, but I imagine it will go to Ten or one of the Russians (sorry folks, if it's Kovtun).

…or Brezina… or Han Yan... or......

 

[IcyEdges]

Sorry, I mean the highest score he could get with his current programs going clean.

But thank you for the reference.

The highest international score was last Worlds 5 Jeremy ABBOTT
USA
246.35 8 4

But his SP wasn't clean by any means.

I wish you would have mentioned the above (Current Programs clean) in your previous post and I would have gotten you that info).

FWIW:

2014 Skate America Intl
5 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 219.33 2 6

2014 NHK Trophy:
5 Jeremy ABBOTT
USA
229.65 2 5

He hasn't skated perfectly clean with these programs in comp yet. So the info you're asking for doesn't exist yet.

 

[el henry]

The state of the US men is that nationals can be won without a quad



…or Brezina… or Han Yan... or......

Thanks heavens! :yay:

Now if that would happen in international comps (and hey, if Jeremy could do it, why not Jason, who has finished higher than him in every international comp this year?)

 

[IcyEdges]

Thanks heavens! :yay:

Now if that would happen in international comps (and hey, if Jeremy could do it, why not Jason, who has finished higher than him in every international comp this year?)

 

[meredithtj]

Thanks heavens! :yay:

Now if that would happen in international comps (and hey, if Jeremy could do it, why not Jason, who has finished higher than him in every international comp this year?)

For Jeremy, the big ifs mean 2 clean programs with at least 2 quads.
Jason's “ceiling” is much lower.

 

[centerpt1]

Does Jeremy have quads still? He didn't try any on the GP.

That, plus the death in the family, and having to move his training to Colorado, has me worried about his World Team chances.

 

[Jammers]

If Jeremy can't make the team this season he should really call it a career. If Josh and Jason get quads they will be the top 2 US Men for the foreseeable future until Nathan Chen get a bit more mature and grows a bit more.

 

[cruzceleste]

Getting excited!!!!

 

[el henry]

For Jeremy, the big ifs mean 2 clean programs with at least 2 quads.
Jason's “ceiling” is much lower.

Welcome to posting, Meredithtj!

I thought Johnny and Tara did a good job in the preview show of explaining the difference between Jeremy's and Jason's programs, and the high risk, high reward of Jeremy's quad jump combo last year (Nail it: 14 points. Crash into the boards on the opening quad: one point).

Jason has not been as consistent as I would like this year, but I do value consistency. And less risk if it means more artistry.

 

[meredithtj]

Welcome to posting, Meredithtj!

I thought Johnny and Tara did a good job in the preview show of explaining the difference between Jeremy's and Jason's programs, and the high risk, high reward of Jeremy's quad jump combo last year (Nail it: 14 points. Crash into the boards on the opening quad: one point).

Jason has not been as consistent as I would like this year, but I do value consistency. And less risk if it means more artistry.

I just understand you're talking about nationals.
I think the "big ifs" means a world medal.
A consistent Jason in this season is valuable for spots, but not for medal.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

The state of the US men is that nationals can be won without a quad



…or Brezina… or Han Yan... or......

I'm not so sure about Brezina (who has always had unfortunate luck at Worlds) and Han Yan has really under-delivered this season (collision at CoC notwithstanding) and even last season he wasn't at his best. I'm pretty sure it'll be Kovtun getting the bronze, or Voronov if Kovtun bombs. If Ten has another big-moment skate, he can certainly edge them both out but he hasn't shown it this season in the FS.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Sorry, too lazy to look for the answer... is Brown going to be attempting quads in the SP & LP at these Nationals? I mean, he's lovely and all without them, but it's about time he added them in, even if it's failed attempts. Pitkeev, Nguyen, and a slew of others have all landed them (or at least attempted them) in their first GP season, and Jason's essentially had two GP seasons and still hasn't attempted even...

 

[HanDomi]

Sorry, too lazy to look for the answer... is Brown going to be attempting quads in the SP & LP at these Nationals? I mean, he's lovely and all without them, but it's about time he added them in, even if it's failed attempts. Pitkeev, Nguyen, and a slew of others have all landed them (or at least attempted them) in their first GP season, and Jason's essentially had two GP seasons and still hasn't attempted even...

No, he is not planning quad in Nationals.
I agree with you that he should at least try it even if he will fail it it will be not big deal and understandable but it's up to him and his team.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

No, he is not planning quad in Nationals.
I agree with you that he should at least try it even if he will fail it it will be not big deal and understandable but it's up to him and his team.

Yeah. Like, I don't want him to get injured, but if he falls on it at Nationals, he can still easily place top 3. Maybe not in the SP, but at least one attempt in the FS, to show that he's actually trying to up his technical game.

 

[ice coverage]

Update re Richard Dornbush's mother's mysterious illness: she tested positive for typhus.

He had a big scare earlier this month when his mother was hospitalized. At first, doctors were unsure of what was causing her to suffer debilitating headaches, but later she tested positive for typhus, a disease caused by bacteria. His mother had initially planned to come to Greensboro to support Richard, but she was only recently released from the hospital and will not make the cross-country trip.
http://www.icenetwork.com/news/2015/01/21/107026516 (Jan 21, by Amy Rosewater)​

Best to Richard and to his mother. Glad at least her diagnosis has been nailed down.

 

[Sandpiper]

I'm not so sure about Brezina (who has always had unfortunate luck at Worlds) and Han Yan has really under-delivered this season (collision at CoC notwithstanding) and even last season he wasn't at his best. I'm pretty sure it'll be Kovtun getting the bronze, or Voronov if Kovtun bombs. If Ten has another big-moment skate, he can certainly edge them both out but he hasn't shown it this season in the FS.

Ten never gets it to together early in the season. This year he actually got a GP medal and had one good SP, which is a improvement over past years. I think he'll make the Worlds podium... in fact, I wouldn't rule out silver (if Javi has one of his moments) or even gold (if Yuzuru still hasn't recovered).

But I agree Brezina and Han Yan might not be the strongest this season. If late-season Ten doesn't show up, it'll probably be between Voronov, Kovtun, and Mura (if he can seize the moment when others falter). Jason/Jeremy/any of the Americans would need a lot of help...

 

[el henry]

I don't understand what appears to be a concern that Jason is "getting away" with something if he doesn't "even try" a quad.
:scratch:

If a skater lands the quad, great, lots of points. If a skater tries a quad and truly bombs it, no points and maybe he's injured. So every skater has to consider those factors.

Jason is skating in the way he thinks will get him the most points. As is, I am sure, Jeremy, Max, Ricky, Adam and all the other men. You may not agree with his point strategy, and his point strategy may fail, but he is not "getting away" with anything.

 

[Mrs. P]

I don't understand what appears to be a concern that Jason is "getting away" with something if he doesn't "even try" a quad.
:scratch:

If a skater lands the quad, great, lots of points. If a skater tries a quad and truly bombs it, no points and maybe he's injured. So every skater has to consider those factors.

Jason is skating in the way he thinks will get him the most points. As is, I am sure, Jeremy, Max, Ricky, Adam and all the other men. You may not agree with his point strategy, and his point strategy may fail, but he is not "getting away" with anything.

In addition, I think people underestimate the impact of a failed jumping pass, both from a point-gathering and a mental standpoint.

If Jason doesn't feel confident about the jump, what will doing it for hte sake of doing it for him? Maybe it's NBD for someone like Yuzuru Hanyu to consistently fall on the 4S (yes I know's he's done it, but he's failed that jump more time in competition), but maybe for Jason it impacts the rest of his program.

I find it funny that some people will come down on Yuzuru for constantly falling on the 4S and not being clean and then also come down on Jason who opts not to do the quad so he could be clean. You cannot win either way. hwell: