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I think he can benefit a lot from staying another year since he's only 15 and its not like he's consistently winning Jr competitions. He could very easily get lost in Seniors by moving too soon.
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I think he can benefit a lot from staying another year since he's only 15 and its not like he's consistently winning Jr competitions. He could very easily get lost in Seniors by moving too soon.It is a waste of his time. What can he learn from staying junior? Nothing. He will turn 16 in 6 weeks time. He should be allowed to compete with the seniors.
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I agree. Maybe get some more JGP medals and a J World Medal under his belt next season. While doing Senior B comps. If his body is not ready for the Seniors, then there is no reason to go.
It makes no difference to his senior career whether he wins a Junior World medal or not. More JGP medals will not make him a better skater either. He has been on the junior circuit for 3 years, it is time to move to seniors. As for the argument that he might "get lost" among the seniors, the first year as a senior is always difficult (unless you're Plushenko), no matter whether you turn senior at age 16 or 18. Whether his body is ready or not, the senior GP circuit doesn't begin for another 7-8mths.
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As much as I disagree with the concept, winning more things as a junior will help his reputation and PCS when he turns senior. :/
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I honestly don't think it makes a ton of difference if he goes senior this year or the next. If Shoma and Boyang go senior, then he has more chance to medal in the JGP and maybe his confidence will improve. He can do senior Bs and senior Russian Nats either way.
It might, or it might not. Winning World Juniors did not help Nam's PCS when he turned senior.
True, but honestly Nam--and I like him a lot, don't get me wrong--has many weaknesses that prevent higher PCS: He's very slow, doesn't have great SS, has very weak spins, "looks" junior (it shouldn't matter, but it does), has been given some unfortunate programs, has tiny jumps, ect.
Sasha at his best doesn't have most of those issues. When he's on, he deserves good PCS. Obviously, he was severely off today--not just in terms of falls, but he was also super slow going into his triple axels, which probably contributed to the fall.
I don't know about going senior... his jumps are starting to worry me a little. I remember they used to be nice and airy. Not monster Plushenko jumps, but decent height. Now it looks like he's dealing with growth.
If those issues creep up next year, I think he's better off stabilizing his current content and staying for the JGP. However, if he gets over the growth quickly and emerges in the summer with a steady quad, he could successfully jump into seniors even without huge junior rep value.
I just started to wonder if it is possible that he has grown a lot because he's been sick many times lately. Because hard training might affect growing and if (and when) he has taken breaks and not trained fully that much his body has had the time to grow a lot (I'm really bad in explaining as you can see)
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I'm glad I didn't watch the competition now - I was toying with the idea of doing so, but it would mostly have been whim if I had carried through with it. Actually, I didn't expect him to win a medal - I had a feeling he wouldn't. I didn't expect two falls, though.
As for the senior/junior issue - I'm with adelia on this one. I think he should move up, and I don't think there is much to gain by staying junior. There is also not much hype around him - thank God! - so nobody is expecting him to sweep everything before him, or make a big splash if he moves up... and ergo there won't be any disappointment/backlash if he struggles a little. I think he can't get used to seniors early enough - one major difference? The audience. He coped very well with it at Finlandia - but it would only help to improve his performance...which is already very good, especially for a junior. He can come from underneath and successively work his way up the standings. Without having the world's eye on him, or huge expectations/pressure on his shoulders. Also, he can always go back and do junior Worlds next year, as Adian did.
But, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter much what we think - it's not up to us to make the decision.
And I also think his growth issues/ill health are connected. I think that growing probably makes him weaker, and easier prey for illness. "Puberty is not just for girls" - love that gallavich! And so true, too.
As for the senior/junior issue - I'm with adelia on this one. I think he should move up, and I don't think there is much to gain by staying junior. There is also not much hype around him - thank God! - so nobody is expecting him to sweep everything before him, or make a big splash if he moves up... and ergo there won't be any disappointment/backlash if he struggles a little. I think he can't get used to seniors early enough - one major difference? The audience. He coped very well with it at Finlandia - but it would only help to improve his performance...which is already very good, especially for a junior. He can come from underneath and successively work his way up the standings. Without having the world's eye on him, or huge expectations/pressure on his shoulders. Also, he can always go back and do junior Worlds next year, as Adian did.
But, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter much what we think - it's not up to us to make the decision.
And I also think his growth issues/ill health are connected. I think that growing probably makes him weaker, and easier prey for illness. "Puberty is not just for girls" - love that gallavich! And so true, too.
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Isn't it ultimately the Fed who will decide what to do with him? I'm sure Mishin can make suggestions, but he isn't the one holding the purse strings, so to speak...
There's prize money for medalists even at the junior level, I'd assume. So that could be one benefit of him sticking around the JGP circuit for another season. But I can see both sides of it.
There's prize money for medalists even at the junior level, I'd assume. So that could be one benefit of him sticking around the JGP circuit for another season. But I can see both sides of it.
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It seems to me that Russian skaters often move up quicker than often happens in other countries - so I'd guess that must be with the fed's blessing/their policy. And the senior men aren't as crowded as the ladies' - but, I suppose we will find out eventually what is decided. If he isn't moved up, I, personally, will be disappointed, I confess - but I'll try to see the good in that as well.
To be honest, I'm not sure in which way Alexander need to move.
During the current season he became better in a presentation, of course. But technically he stands for two years already.
If he wants go for the "next level", it is necessary to change something in his mind. Today he went to the ice, and it was clear he would lose. It was evident on his face. And he lost. He lost to himself, but not to the opponents. And Mishin said it to him.
During the current season he became better in a presentation, of course. But technically he stands for two years already.
If he wants go for the "next level", it is necessary to change something in his mind. Today he went to the ice, and it was clear he would lose. It was evident on his face. And he lost. He lost to himself, but not to the opponents. And Mishin said it to him.
This is the sad part. After Adian's mistakes, I thought Sasha had that medal in the bag. Then... Well, what Mishin said is true. You only lose to yourself. All the stuff about "won't medal if all skate clean." Well, people didn't skate clean. Sasha just needed to go clean himself. And he didn't.
Tomorrow's another day, of course. I remain his fan and have high hopes for him. But I gotta call this particular performance what it is.
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But to be honest, after yesterday's SP We all know it's impossible for any of the Russian to win. They're young so they don't have enough experience yet. They don't have any PCS cushion and they might feel they're in vain. It's normal for young skaters to feel that way. I guess they will gpget better after this.
I understand that for Adian (and use this to comfort myself, as I noted in his thread). But Sasha hasn't medalled at Jr. Worlds before. I think a medal of any colour would've been great for him.
Maybe it's the pressure, maybe it's his illness... Anyway, the season's over, and it wasn't bad overall. He made JGPF and medalled, won his first senior event, gave us some good performances. Hopefully he's come back even stronger once he's grown a few inches.
Mishin's comments:
"All three of our skater did not show the level that would compete with Asian athletes - said Alexei Mishin. - This also applies to my student. Petrov failed last start. Neither the adult championship of Russia in Sochi, not now in Tallinn he could not skate as in steps and the Grand Prix finals.
- What prevented?
- Illnesses that haunted guy lately. It is very difficult to force training after treatment.
- Maybe it was worth to miss the Junior World Championships?
- How can the strongest junior Russia, who won the title of national champion, afford it? You need to perform and produce maximum quota for the country for the next World Cup."
http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/20958.html
After Junior Nats, Mishin mentioned that it was Acute Respiratory Infection that Sasha has been plagued by.
"All three of our skater did not show the level that would compete with Asian athletes - said Alexei Mishin. - This also applies to my student. Petrov failed last start. Neither the adult championship of Russia in Sochi, not now in Tallinn he could not skate as in steps and the Grand Prix finals.
- What prevented?
- Illnesses that haunted guy lately. It is very difficult to force training after treatment.
- Maybe it was worth to miss the Junior World Championships?
- How can the strongest junior Russia, who won the title of national champion, afford it? You need to perform and produce maximum quota for the country for the next World Cup."
http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/20958.html
After Junior Nats, Mishin mentioned that it was Acute Respiratory Infection that Sasha has been plagued by.
I don't think the Russian Fed cares too much what Samarin/Lazukin do, since they're not big hopes for the future.
(I mean, maybe they'll surprise us, but...) Whereas Sasha can still bring medals, placements, and prize money on the junior circuit. He's got a good shot of winning JGPF, even. It just depends on how he copes with growth over the summer, and whether he'll increase his technical skills.Similar threads
