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Excellent to see her land it in competition, but it seems after she landed it, she didn't bother to put the effort in the rest of her jumps. Is she just saving energy/effort or did the new layout throw off her game?
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Excellent to see her land it in competition, but it seems after she landed it, she didn't bother to put the effort in the rest of her jumps. Is she just saving energy/effort or did the new layout throw off her game?
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She said she was so shocked that she landed the 3A, she lost focus on her other jumps.
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Probably not, especially since Radionova puts the 2A and 3L into the back half.
Regardless of whether Liza goes for the 3A, she cannot afford to miss her solo 3Lz. Which is why it's best she stay conservative in the SP. At best she should increase her tech content with 3Lz+3T for the SP. The smart approach would be to work in the 3Axel next year early in the season so she gets comfortable with it and doesn't get stunned like in this competition.
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I 100% agree. She can already win without the 3A, and the risk of a program unraveling is too great if she misses (or even hits) the 3A.
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Interestingly enough, if I recall correctly Midori gained consistency and first landed the 3Axel in competition around the same age (18). They have similar body types, short and with muscular legs. Still, Midori's jumps had more spring and power.
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For me their body types have little in common. Midori is more like Courtney Hicks, and Liza is closer to Ashley Wagner. According wiki, Midori is 145cm and Liza is 158cm. Huge height difference too.
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Wow. I didn't realize Midori is even shorter than Liza by 13cm.
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Has any woman ever landed all 6 different triples in one long program, or 8 total (with correct edges, no "<")?
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Yes, Liza is one tiny human being. Hard to perceive this across TV shots with no discernible point of reference, but if you've ever seen her in-person or even seen her on videos standing next to a bunch of other skaters, her height is very apparent. And the fact that Midori is even shorter...
Congrats to Liza for a well-executed 3A w/ positive GOE in competition!
Should not be long before we see this element fully integrated into a new program -- next season, I would imagine.Ito landed all 6 at 1989 NHK, but she had a double axel in the end which brings it to seven. Isn't there a video where she landed 8? I've seen the video on youtube but correct me if i'm wrong- her jumps are so clean, however, doesn't she have a Yamada-trained lutz? which means could be a flutz?
Asada can do 5 (her flutz is solid though. Had it been the right edge, it would have been a reliable jump!), but in my eyes she landed 8 triples at Sochi. The 3T would have been a gift, but her 3F-3L I would contest. I think some of the commentators did? Kurt certainly did.
But pretty sure Liza won't be far behind as she is clearly capable. She's phenomenal. Just waiting for artistry to kick in. It'd be a shame to have gargantuan talent be mishandled and malnourished in choreography and the rest of the components. She doesn't have to be a lyrical skater, but if she took her jumps and infused it with better choreography (say....something out of Kaetlyn Osmond's repertoire). Well. Imagine that!
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I don't believe Midori flutzed at all.
Let's give this a try...
3A: 8.50 + 1.80 GOE (She received +2.00 at this competition, but let's account for inflation. And considering how the judges treated Mao over the years, even 1.8 is being optimistic...)
2Lz*: 0 (The key point here is, she doesn't get the value of 2Lz, she gets nothing. No GOE either.
)3T-3Tx: 9.02 + 1.70 GOE (If she does 3A, she'll put the 3-3 in the bonus, increasing its BV. GOE taken from her Europeans SP).
That's a total of 21.02 for the jump elements. At Europeans, with 3T-3T, 3Lz, and 2A, she received 21.54, which... actually isn't that much higher. :shocked: If she'd done the 2A in the bonus like she planned, it would've been 0.33 more, for a total of 21.87. I'm not sure what happens with PCS... do they rise because she landed 3A, or do they fall because she popped 2Lz?
For the jump elements, at Europeans Elena scored 22.08. Unless the judges really love the 3A and give Liza an unforeseen PCS boost, Elena would (still) win the SP if Liza does 3A, 2Lz, 3T-3T.
However: Liza's overall margin of victory at Europeans, after the LP, was 0.86. So even if she loses 0.52 in jumps, in theory she'd still win if everything else is pristine. She also had a Level 3 combination spin at Europeans, vs. the Level 4 she's capable of doing, so if she gets that she increases the score further.
Keep in mind, with the scores so tight, things could certainly go differently with a different panel/one judge feeling less 3A-happy on the day. Liza will need to get that 3A ratified with great GOE.
I don't think it's significant that she doubled the lutz and the 2nd toe in a relatively unimportant event. She was probably very ecstatic after landing the triple axel the first time in competition and that has obviously affected her concentration. I don't think that this will happen again, now that she showed that she can do the 3A in competition. Mishin seems to know her very well. I predict that she'll go for it at worlds, Mishin planned this (I don't believe him when he says, that "it's not yet decided") and she seems to be well prepared. And it would make no sense to change the SP again at this point in time. And I want to see it at Worlds! 
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There's no point in her actually doing the 3A in competition at Worlds in a couple weeks. The program suffers with it in because it doesn't go with the music/choreography and she doesn't have the mileage on it yet, so the risk is not worthwhile. Having successfully done it at this minor competition, and showing it in practice at Worlds, is enough. The judges will give her huge scores simply for the "threat" of that special skill and because she is the GPF + European Champion. She is the success story of the season, someone who was considered washed up but has now come back to dominate. She needs to skate her two programs cleanly and with fire; if she does there's no way she will lose.
But 2Lz was also not as costly as I thought it would be, if she hits 3A and 3-3. Whereas if she does 3Lz and 3-3 perfectly, but pops the axel into a single at the end, that would cost her over 4 points.
While I agree with you to some degree (still prefer the old layout, with spiral into 2A; StSq seems too rushed now since she's struggling to cram it in before the music ends), there's no way the judges would actually deduct CH points for a 3A if she goes clean. Her PCS will rise simply for the "Wow!" factor of the 3A.
Math-wise, 3A is more asset than liability. On the other hand, she's now done that LP clean 3 times now. Maybe she won't need the ~5 point advantage of the 3A going into the LP, and certainly she doesn't want a bigger deficit should she mess up the SP.
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I think the issue is that the jumps is still too new to expect her to hit everything else after performing it. Next season she can have plenty of opportunities to try it and nail the rest of her program. As BoP said, it is a bad risk because she can already win without it.
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No. She can always double the 3Axel and get the BV of a 2A for it plus GOE. Doubling the Lutz is worse.
But if she singles the axel...? Or URs and falls? (Plus, let's face it--the judges won't give her the usual +2/+3 GOE on her 2A if it's a "popped" triple, even though it looks no different).
Of course doubling the lutz is worse, but... actually not much worse. Just half a point. All things considered, if she were--say--Alena Leonova and had trouble getting through an LP, it's a pretty good deal. The issue is, she's not Alena Leonova and thus the axel may be more risk than it's worth.
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