2015 Japan Open

[Khoai]

I saw that as well. Lol :sarcasm: Though Shoma won't get 100 at Skate America. It'll be a while before that.

Will be very very soon I suppose. Look at the way they give out high GOE for his poor quality jumps.

 

[Marin]

Quite simple...He's got a HUGE 86.42 BV, hit all the 13 elements, including spins, jumps (2 triple axels with great execution and 2 quads) and steps, which gives him at least 10 points in goe, resulting in at least 97 in TES. Pcs (86) were a little inflated, for sure, but he deserves at least some 8s for components (he got 82.44 pcs in 2015 4cc), he has great skating skills, good transitions, performance and overall artistry. 185 is too much, but (97 + 83) 180 is realistic. Still a huge score. http://www.jsfresults.com/InterNational/2015-2016/jo/data0105.pdf

Giving Uno same GOE for axels that usually Han and Yuzuru are getting it is big joke for me personally, his camel spin is also far from perfect, yes I do give credit for doing quad in the second half. This event is created by JSF to please audience, but this is really too much guys, Fernandez gets ridiculous PCS for LP that is the same we see from him each year after moving to Orser, I just can't get it. Satoko gets 134 for her prerotated tiny jumps , I completely understand that it is just fun event but the scores should be realistic a bit.

 

[Khoai]

Giving Uno same GOE for axels that usually Han and Yuzuru are getting it is big joke for me personally, his camel spin is also far from perfect, yes I do give credit for doing quad in the second quad. Yes, this event is created by JSF to please audience, but this is really too much guys, Fernandez gets ridiculous PCS for LP that is the same we see
from him each year after moving to Orser, I just can't get it. Satoko gets 134 for her prerotated tiny jumps , I completely understand that it is just fun event but the scores should be realistic a bit.

I was shocked to see those scores too, my coach, and my training mates, our reactions were the same.

By the end of October we will meet some ISU specialists, I couldn't wait to ask them about the GOE.

It seems to me now, great jumping quality is overlooked and some certain judges at some certain events are placing more weight on quantity.

 

[Leonardo]

You forgot to take into account that everyone at 4CC got good scores as well. So in general judges were lenient to all guys at 4CC. But of course how can anyone forget, GOE for his 3A at 4CC was almost as high as Mr. Han Yan, it's the biggest joke ever.

And don't let me start with screenshot of Mr Uno's very not very pleasing spin position, weak landing and very slanted take off.

I think 175-177 is more reasonable given the low quality of his jumps. And since when the judges should reward skaters for skating clean in both GOE and PCS?

Unoflation only at the dawn, worse than Chanfaltion.

In fact, this is the worst inflation ever. My coach laughed so hard when we saw his performance and his scores.

I am picturing Mr. Uno with over 100 points for SP at Skate America. Or over 100 TES in the LP at TEB. Either way is possible at this rate.

JSF knows how to sell their skaters, but this is the fastest selling ever.

The top guys were very good at 4cc, and got good scores accordingly. The competition wasn't in Japan and shoma was capable of getting 167 and 82.44 pcs with tons of mistakes. Shoma's 3A is not very high, but has good distance, a difficult entry and good flow in and out. There are many bullets for goes, not just height/distance. That young man is great, consistent, has a very difficult program, good jumps, good spins great ss, good programs, nice artistry, got great scores, beat Javier and Patrick in his 2nd senior competition and has a brilliant future ahead of him. Your coach can laugh as hard as she/he can, you can try to bash him and other japanese skaters (like Mao) as many times as possible, but it won't change any of that. They will still be brilliant, beloved and well received by the international judges and the skating community.

 

[Leonardo]

Giving Uno same GOE for axels that usually Han and Yuzuru are getting it is big joke for me personally, his camel spin is also far from perfect, yes I do give credit for doing quad in the second half. This event is created by JSF to please audience, but this is really too much guys, Fernandez gets ridiculous PCS for LP that is the same we see from him each year after moving to Orser, I just can't get it. Satoko gets 134 for her prerotated tiny jumps , I completely understand that it is just fun event but the scores should be realistic a bit.

Satoko got a 126.5 at the 2015 worlds with a ur/fall on her 3lz and underscored pcs. A low 130 is actually realistic if she gets the pcs she deserves.

 

[Franklin99]

As wonderful as Shoma's program was... Judge 7 should be ashamed of them selves!

You forgot to take into account that everyone at 4CC got good scores as well. So in general judges were lenient to all guys at 4CC. But of course how can anyone forget, GOE for his 3A at 4CC was almost as high as Mr. Han Yan, it's the biggest joke ever.

And don't let me start with screenshot of Mr Uno's very not very pleasing spin position, weak landing and very slanted take off.

I think 175-177 is more reasonable given the low quality of his jumps. And since when the judges should reward skaters for skating clean in both GOE and PCS?

Unoflation only at the dawn, worse than Chanfaltion.

In fact, this is the worst inflation ever. My coach laughed so hard when we saw his performance and his scores.

I am picturing Mr. Uno with over 100 points for SP at Skate America. Or over 100 TES in the LP at TEB. Either way is possible at this rate.

JSF knows how to sell their skaters, but this is the fastest selling ever.

Lol, I didn't take notice of the judgde nr 7 ...

Those +2's and +3's was the FS equivalent of MayWeather throwing hundred dollar bills in the club. Judge #7 was just giving it away like candy.

 

[Khoai]

The top guys were very good at 4cc, and got good scores accordingly. The competition wasn't in Japan and shoma was capable of getting 167 and 82.44 pcs with tons of mistakes. Shoma's 3A is not very high, but has good distance, a difficult entry and good flow in and out. There are many bullets for goes, not just height/distance. That young man is great, consistent, has a very difficult program, good jumps, good spins great ss, good programs, nice artistry, got great scores, beat Javier and Patrick in his 2nd senior competition and has a brilliant future ahead of him. Your coach can laugh as hard as she/he can, you can try to bash him and other japanese skaters (like Mao) as many times as possible, but it won't change any of that. They will still be brilliant, beloved and well received by the international judges and the skating community.

Your explanation of Unoflation doesn't please me.

I think JSF is harming him by showering with too much generous scores he doesn't deserve at this point.

Good SS with tons of crossovers? Tell me was there any top men at his age used the same amount of crossovers?

Good flow in and out of jumps? Do you want to see screenshots of Mr. Uno landings which had no flow and still get GOE? Do you want to see screenshots of Mr Uno questionable spin positions? Do you want to see screenshots of Mr. Uno's terrible free leg when he lands his jumps because he doesn't have enough height on them?

And I don't want to start with the air position.

 

[TheGrandSophy]

Oh, for goodness sake, Shoma himself doesn't completely buy into his score even as could be seen by his comic cute face in the K&C. So why we have to spend our time debating his score and the judging seriously like this is Worlds I really don't know. He gave a great performance. This is his Senior debut season and he smashed it. He knows he has a lot still to learn. You couldn't find a humbler, more hardworking skater out there. So leave the kid be, IMO, and applaud how great he did!

 

[samm22]

Oh, for goodness sake, Shoma himself doesn't completely buy into his score even as could be seen by his comic cute face in the K&C. So why we have to spend our time debating his score and the judging seriously like this is Worlds I really don't know. He gave a great performance. This is his Senior debut season and he smashed it. He knows he has a lot still to learn. You couldn't find a humbler, more hardworking skater out there. So leave the kid be, IMO, and applaud how great he did!

 

[Khoai]

Oh, for goodness sake, Shoma himself doesn't completely buy into his score even as could be seen by his comic cute face in the K&C. So why we have to spend our time debating his score and the judging seriously like this is Worlds I really don't know. He gave a great performance. This is his Senior debut season and he smashed it. He knows he has a lot still to learn. You couldn't find a humbler, more hardworking skater out there. So leave the kid be, IMO, and applaud how great he did!

Mr Uno is a good person or not, it doesn't change the fact that his jumps don't deserve the GOE he is getting. And this way of overscoring, inflation is unfair for all the men. They might not be consistent, but they also spent years to get the quality on their jumps, but some judges decide that their quality does not matter because there's someone with very bad jumps but is consistent.

More like I am worried about the state of men skating in general. I do share my sympathy with Mr Mishin when he complained about Mr. Uno's jump technique.

But of course, some fans will alway try to give credit for their favorites even though the credit is not due.

 

[Leonardo]

Your explanation of Unoflation doesn't please me.

I think JSF is harming him by showering with too much generous scores he doesn't deserve at this point.

Good SS with tons of crossovers? Tell me was there any top men at his age used the same amount of crossovers?

Good flow in and out of jumps? Do you want to see screenshots of Mr. Uno landings which had no flow and still get GOE? Do you want to see screenshots of Mr Uno questionable spin positions? Do you want to see screenshots of Mr. Uno's terrible free leg when he lands his jumps because he doesn't have enough height on them?

And I don't want to start with the air position.

Sorry, but your bashing won't make him look a bad skater to most fans, to the judges and general public. He's great, has so many qualities, a 86 bv, and is getting better and better. Be prepared for some 175+ and many medals, or you may have a heart attack. Many other skaters are overscored in one area or another, transitions for example (in the case of Mishin's skaters), but it looks like you are only focused on bashing the japanese skaters and their jumps. Totally biased.

 

[HanDomi]

Actually one thing I can definitely agree is that he don't deserve GOEs on his axels as Hanyu or Han Yan. Seriously, please don't say about difficult entry when Hanyu is doing higher, longer perfect 3A with great speed and flow out of the jump from back counter to spread eagle on the landing to Shoma 3A. I hope such thing will not happen internationally
Here he got "only" +2 on 3A , but at 4CC I think he got +2.5 which is totally ridicolous

 

[Khoai]

Sorry, but your bashing won't make him look a bad skater to most fans, to the judges and general public. He's great, has so many qualities, a 86 bv, and is getting better and better. Be prepared for some 175+ and many medals, or you may have a heart attack.

People will not have some heart attack over poor jumps.

They will only dislike that skater more and more. Unoflation will take over all other flations, sooner or latter this kind of overscoring will backfire to JSF and they are harming Mr. Uno. They are putting more pressure and expectation on Mr. Uno.

I think Mr. Chan (or Mr Javi, Mr.p Hanyu) is happy that his scores will not be the target anymore.

Get ready for the moaning about Mr. Uno's GOE. At least people in my rink are saying this and that already. And if Mr. Uno getting too much flation, he will only get more dislikers, even though the dislike is unfair for him as a person.

And Miss Miyahara, I can image if she won WC or GPF this season, next season judges will kill her jumps. Many coaches won't stay silent forever for ultra-pre rotated jumps to get credit for forever.

 

[TheGrandSophy]

Congratulations, Shoma! You've made it more than I even realised. The state of this thread is a sign of that. Lol

 

[Marin]

Nobody is hating Shoma, we are discussing judges scores right? he is very talanted young man, I agree about Satoko pcs too, way low. I have nothing against Javi..I am dissapointed in Judging, even understand that this is not GPF or WC. You should be very evil to wish any skater to do badly, they do insane job, put insenely hard work in every element and it is appreciated. I've mentioned that I am amazed by shoma's decision putting quad in second half. Its just my thoughts, I like Javi so much as a person but do you think GOE for fall is fair? so I am talking about judging, I have been watching this sport already third decade and I never wished anyone to do badly. so peace

 

[Khoai]

Actually one thing I can definitely agree is that he don't deserve GOEs on his axels as Hanyu or Han Yan. Seriously, please don't say about difficult entry when Hanyu is doing higher, longer perfect 3A with great speed and flow out of the jump from back counter to spread eagle on the landing to Shoma 3A. I hope such thing will not happen internationally
Here he got "only" +2 on 3A , but at 4CC I think he got +2.5 which is totally ridicolous

I was there with my coach, and it was a big joke.

You don't ask why Korean fans dislike scores for Japanese skaters. You know the answer.

 

[Leonardo]

People will not have some heart attack over poor jumps.

They will only dislike that skater more and more. Unoflation will take over all other flations, sooner or latter this kind of overscoring will backfire to JSF and they are harming Mr. Uno.

I think Mr. Chan (or Mr Javi, Mr.p Hanyu) is happy that his scores will not be the target anymore.

Get ready for the moaning about Mr. Uno's GOE.

And Miss Miyahara, I can image if she won WC or GPF this season, next season judges will kill her jumps. Coaches won't stay silent forever for flawed jumps to get credit.

You are totally biased. Many other skaters get very inflated scores in many areas, but all you do is criticizing the japanese skaters. Anyway, you can hate and expect bad things for the japanese skaters as much as you want, it won't harm them, their results, and won't make reasonable figure skating fans hate them. This is getting pathetic. You should try a voodoo for the jpn skaters or something, bashing them on figure skating boards certainly won't work.

 

[TheGrandSophy]

Nobody is hating Shoma, we are discussing judges scores right? he is very talanted young man, I agree about Satoko pcs too, way low. I have nothing against Javi..I am dissapointed in Judging, even understand that this is not GPF or WC. You should be very evil to wish any skater to do badly, they do insane job, put insenely hard work in every element and it is appreciated. I've mentioned that I am amazed by shoma's decision putting quad in second half. Its just my thoughts, I like Javi so much as a person but do you think GOE for fall is fair? so I am talking about judging, I have been watching this sport already third decade and I never wished anyone to do badly. so peace

If that was directed towards me, no need. I have no problem with people like you saying they think his score was too high. I do object to the tone of khoai's posts. That does come across as hateful to me. I think her points could be made in a much less, er, dramatic way altogether. However, ymmv. And I'm off to more pleasantly watch some skating vids.

 

[Marin]

If that was directed towards me, no need. I have no problem with people like you saying they think his score was too high. I do object to the tone of khoai's posts. That does come across as hateful to me. I think her points could be made in a much less, er, dramatic way altogether. However, ymmv.

No totally not towards you, I was a bit surprised about Leonardo post, somehow made me think I am hostile and hater

 

[icedinn]

For me Adelina was the most artistic out there. She actually makes me like that music. I want her to win world's!
I don't quite get the criticism of Gracie. All she needs is better conditioning, and once she does BAM she is US champion again. Firebird works for her imo.