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It was also this way in the open skate. Didn't seem to bother her then. Appeared to be an amateurish job of editing, but apparently what they wanted.

My internal musical meter says it's a big no no!! This should be fixed. I could do it in a few hours.

Besides...she looks completely lost and rightfully so during that whole repeated section. Eteri should step in or maybe Marina when they work on the programs in America. I'll be disappointed if they don't! :mad:
 
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I've found what I consider to be a serious flaw in the SP!!

I've been wondering what it is that has me cringing during the walk like an angel mix and I think I've figured it out. Watch right here and notice the clapping coming to a crashing halt. This isn't Julia's fault. The mix is out of rhythm at 2:05

https://youtu.be/HPbXXp01Xis?t=1m55s

As a musician I understand music structure quite well and what they've done is destroyed the 4/4 feel of the song here.

I'll attempt to write out what I mean:
Right when they cut back to the beginning of the cut for the second time(the walk like an angel line) there should be four more counts starting at the final note of the ...ba ba ba BAAAAAAH and ending around 2:07 then the Walk Like an Angel line should restart. In my head I hear the quartet style scale vocal or baseline that sounds like...ba ba ba baaaah then there should be a count of (2,3,4) then Walk Like an Angel should cut back in. They've cut it in at an odd time prior to the (2,3,4) count that really needs to be there and is destroying the rythym. It's quite clumsy and I'm surprised no one fixed it. I've spent nearly an hour adjusting media for my fan videos for a four second section like this. Sure it's time consuming but she deserves better!!!

I can try to edit it correctly with my video editor if that would help anyone but this is seriously an avoidable error that is causing the same effect on the program as a skipping needle on a record player would a dance floor.

Anyone agree or even able to follow my meaning here?
I don't read or play music so I'm no help there. What I did notice was that the audience clapping during that particular performance wasn't to the beat of the music. Although I don't mind the tonal shift from CHFILWY to TDID, there needs to be 1 more second of break/pause between the "You look like an angel, walk like an angel, talk like an angel, but i got wise." segment to the "You're the devil in disguise!" part. As of now, it is a bit abrupt.
 
Thank you for clarifying the lyrics :bow:

So it's not ba ba ba baaah... It should be "but I got Wiiiise (2,3,4) ... Walk Like an Angel.
 
Two quick posts about Leningrad.

The music is typical Yulia. Piano, strings, in two alternating parts that contrast, very emotional. Thanks to the poor audio from the open skate, I discovered that Yulia has altered the end of Leningrad. In doing so she completely changes the message as composed by William Joseph. Listen to this video from 0:39 - :43, where both arms are raised (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjvY2UoYU5M). We hear 3 notes, and can sing the 4th note that should come next, but doesn't. Those three notes are incomplete without the implied 4th note, they leave us hanging, this is musical tension signifying a suspended state. In William Joseph's version all four notes end the piece (listen to 4:09 - 4:13 from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqGWArNp6lw) . We hear the three notes, then a pause, then the 4th note that completes the musical sequence. The three-note incomplete sequence is heard throughout Leningrad, and the final resolution is designed to eliminate tension and let us rest. Now listen to the way Yulia ends the music--without the final note. She leaves us suspended, she doesn't allow us to rest as did William Joseph. This is a very smart way to get across the idea that her yearning continues, that there is no end to her condition, whatever it is. This is a very important example of the sophistication that is present in Leningrad.

Leningrad is a huge step forward in terms of movement. Again, everything that follows is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjvY2UoYU5M . The first 40 seconds are as eloquent as any dancing we are likely to see. The music is in sobs, each phrase is separated by a pause, as if to regain composure between the sobs. Notice how beautifully these pauses are integrated into motion. We don't feel the pauses as interruptions, she draws us in to the pain and sadness with characteristic Yulia- naturalness. Beautiful movement that naturally fits halting music is quite an achievement, but there is a lot more going on here. If we watch her movement, we will see about 6 distinct movements. Contrast this very deliberate set of movements with anything she has done before, or with the Elvis. Memorize them. Everything in Leningrad, with only a couple of minor exceptions, is based on these 6. We see them again and again, in different settings, slightly or sometimes greatly altered. The footwork (what a misleading term for Yulia) from 2:55 to about 3:30 is like a great cadenza, she combines the 6 basic movements on an emotional level never seen before. This is an incredible accomplishment. What we see is bound tightly by those 6 building blocks of movement, but what we feel seems without limit.

A most impressive example of a different kind is from 3:39 to 3:50. There is a sequence of 3 movements. First, arms in an L shape, followed by a stylized Bauer with one arm falling, followed by a spiral with one arm and one leg raised in a grand variation on the two-arms-raised from the basic set of movements, quickly followed by sequential arms falling also from the basic set of movements. These three spectacular movements are like a flashback to the original 40 seconds, a summary of that great introduction, and to the same halting, sobbing melody that we heard then.

So not only has Yulia presented a compact, emotional program, but she has given it structure. It is like a well-constructed paragraph, with introduction sentences, development sentences, and then summary sentences. Her program has the structure of a paragraph so that we can better see what she wants to say. This is a breakthrough. In the past her presentations often interpreted the music. In Leningrad she is completely focused on the message of the music. For me, this structure is even closer to a structure in music called sonata-allegro form. Sonata form provides structure by using three sections, exposition, development, recapitulation. Her program is a precise image of this musical structure. Her spins at the end can be considered a coda, a very common 4th part extension of the sonata form. Leningrad is an incredible accomplishment in terms of structure of movement. For the first time she focuses just on meaning, but without sacrificing musical content. Absolutely brilliant.

So what does it all mean? What do the basic movements refer to? I think that Yulia has made that clear. At the beginning she stands silent, at the end she extends her arm, slowly turning her palm upward. All the wonderful moments between describe this yearning, nothing more and nothing less.

Wow. Amazing posts sjid. I feel like this programm can be the 'Schindler's list' caliber programm. I enjoyed it very much, with all the mistakes even. :)

What do you guys think her first planned combo was? 3F-3T?
 
I don't read or play music so I'm no help there. What I did notice was that the audience clapping during that particular performance wasn't to the beat of the music. Although I don't mind the tonal shift from CHFILWY to TDID, there needs to be 1 more second of break/pause between the "You look like an angel, walk like an angel, talk like an angel, but i got wise." segment to the "You're the devil in disguise!" part. As of now, it is a bit abrupt.

The audience was clapping on the beat up to Sam's jog. Where the clapping becomes off-beat is where the jog occurs. the skip is almost, but not quite 1/2 beat. If it had been exactly 1/2 beat, they could have gone from "square" on-the-beat clapping to "cool" on-the-upbeat clapping. Now that would be interesting. As it is, Yulia deserves a full refund.
 
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The audience was clapping on the beat up to Sam's jog. Where the clapping becomes off-beat is where the jog occurs. the skip is almost, but not quite 1/2 beat. If it had been exactly 1/2 beat, they could have gone to "square" on-the-beat clapping to "cool" on-the-upbeat clapping. Now that would be interesting. As it is, Yulia deserves a full refund.

Agreed!! I do that when I'm on drums.....I often hide or shift the down and up beat but am careful to preserve the meter. It's funny because musicians look at me like I've gone of the tracks but then a sneaky drum fill and they're right back on the beat. I've tried to tap my foot to the beat of this devil in disguise mix and it's impossible :hopelessness:
 
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Agreed!! I do that when I'm on drums.....I often hide or shift the down and up beat but am careful to preserve the meter. It's funny because musicians look at me like I've gone of the tracks but then a sneaky drum fill and they're right back on the beat. I've tried to tap my foot to the beat of this devil in disguise mix and it's impossible :hopelessness:

It's a safe bet it will be fixed, Sam. The Elvis idea was Marina's, so it's possible that the editing was done in USA. If so, they may prefer to wait till she gets back to Mich. to fix it.
 
I think Yulia's SP is okay overall, not as good as Megapolis but still compelling to watch...could be very fun when she's less nervous. As an American though, part of me is just slightly disappointed that Yulia's acquired perception of our culture seems to be Lisa Frank meets Elvis :bang:
 
Wow. Amazing posts sjid. I feel like this programm can be the 'Schindler's list' caliber programm. I enjoyed it very much, with all the mistakes even. :)

What do you guys think her first planned combo was? 3F-3T?

I am baffled by the persistence of the technical issues. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the fall in Finland Leningrad appeared to me to be identical in every detail to the fall on the same element at exactly the same place in the open skate. If so, that isn't a good sign. I am hoping this doesn't involve a difficult physical condition.

For me, Leningrad has far more potential than SL. In fact, I find it superior artistically at this time. Not everyone will agree. Much depends on how one reacts to the choice of music, to minimal movement, and if/how she eventually fills in the choreo of the middle section around the jumps. We should see something special after the sessions in Michigan. I personally don't care about the jumps, but for people make good jumps a high priority Leningrad is a disappointment.
 
I've found what I consider to be a serious flaw in the SP!!

I've been wondering what it is that has me cringing during the walk like an angel mix and I think I've figured it out. Watch right here and notice the clapping coming to a crashing halt. This isn't Julia's fault. The mix is out of rhythm at 2:05

https://youtu.be/HPbXXp01Xis?t=1m55s

As a musician I understand music structure quite well and what they've done is destroyed the 4/4 feel of the song here.

I'll attempt to write out what I mean:
Right when they cut back to the beginning of the cut for the second time(the walk like an angel line) there should be four more counts starting at the final note of the ...ba ba ba BAAAAAAH and ending around 2:07 then the Walk Like an Angel line should restart. In my head I hear the quartet style scale vocal or baseline that sounds like...ba ba ba baaaah then there should be a count of (2,3,4) then Walk Like an Angel should cut back in. They've cut it in at an odd time prior to the (2,3,4) count that really needs to be there and is destroying the rythym. It's quite clumsy and I'm surprised no one fixed it. I've spent nearly an hour adjusting media for my fan videos for a four second section like this. Sure it's time consuming but she deserves better!!!

I can try to edit it correctly with my video editor if that would help anyone but this is seriously an avoidable error that is causing the same effect on the program as a skipping needle on a record player would a dance floor.

Anyone agree or even able to follow my meaning here?
This is a flaw inherent into the structure of the program. Perhaps it is possible to do a better edit- where "wise..." is not cut off early- it would be better to come into the repeated phrase, "look like an angel", later, because now t sounds like a glitch.
However, it is choreographed with a repeated A section. Elvis goes into "You're the Devil" section with no repeat; if you listen to the original, the transitional "You're the devil in dis..." serves as the finish for 4/4 structure, and the new section starts on the strong beat of "...guise...". But here there is no chance to go into the fourth long beat without giving away the "point"/musical change... so they are stuck.
Figuring out how to solve it while keeping the measure count the same would be a nice challenge:))) If you get to it, post it!
 
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It literally took me like five minutes to solve this issue :rolleye:

Waiting on the download to YouTube which will take 20 minutes :laugh:
 
I've found what I consider to be a serious flaw in the SP!!

I've been wondering what it is that has me cringing during the walk like an angel mix and I think I've figured it out. Watch right here and notice the clapping coming to a crashing halt. This isn't Julia's fault. The mix is out of rhythm at 2:05

https://youtu.be/HPbXXp01Xis?t=1m55s

As a musician I understand music structure quite well and what they've done is destroyed the 4/4 feel of the song here.

I'll attempt to write out what I mean:
Right when they cut back to the beginning of the cut for the second time(the walk like an angel line) there should be four more counts starting at the final note of the ...ba ba ba BAAAAAAH and ending around 2:07 then the Walk Like an Angel line should restart. In my head I hear the quartet style scale vocal or baseline that sounds like...ba ba ba baaaah then there should be a count of (2,3,4) then Walk Like an Angel should cut back in. They've cut it in at an odd time prior to the (2,3,4) count that really needs to be there and is destroying the rythym. It's quite clumsy and I'm surprised no one fixed it. I've spent nearly an hour adjusting media for my fan videos for a four second section like this. Sure it's time consuming but she deserves better!!!

I can try to edit it correctly with my video editor if that would help anyone but this is seriously an avoidable error that is causing the same effect on the program as a skipping needle on a record player would a dance floor.

Anyone agree or even able to follow my meaning here?

Yes I totally got what you meant. I also play music and not to brag but has become very attune to notes/beats/pitch for years. Thus stuff like that kinda makes my fingers curl. I mentioned it in my comment before but it's so hard to word it to explain it properly lol. I noticed it while I was watching it and was like eeehhh that's a strange music cut. It tickles me how they just seem to carelessly cut it to comply with the music time rule. I mean sure there's something they can do to make it less sloppy.
 
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Here is my "fixed version" with the correct beat maintained.

https://youtu.be/t-s8_lg5Dog

Let's just assume that my additional 2 seconds violates time restrictions. I'd suggest then that she goes strait out of her StepSeq into her layback a little faster. She does an amazing transition at 2:43 that I'm assuming she could link into her spin almost directly.

Here: https://youtu.be/HPbXXp01Xis?t=2m40s

That would make up for the time difference and actually match the changing music structure better. Anyway...what do I know?

Thoughts?
 
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Here is my "fixed version" with the correct beat maintained.

https://youtu.be/t-s8_lg5Dog

Let's just assume that my additional 2 seconds violates time restrictions. I'd suggest then that she goes strait out of her StepSeq into her layback a little faster. She does an amazing transition at 2:43 that I'm assuming she could link into her spin almost directly.

Here: https://youtu.be/HPbXXp01Xis?t=2m40s

That would make up for the time difference and actually match the changing music structure better. Anyway...what do I know?

Thoughts?

Of course it is infinitely better:)
I hope it was clear in my post that I was talking about whether it is possible to edit that particular place better without adding any music, thus the difficulty. But an added measure sounds much better in any case.
 
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Of course it is infinitely better:)
I hope it was clear in my post that I was talking about whether it is possible to edit that particular place better without adding any music, thus the difficulty. But an added measure sounds much better in any case.

I think that's what SJID discussed earlier. In essence the up and downbeat would end up switching places and the crowd clapping along could remain on beat although they may not be aware of the inversion, I could edit it (tomorrow :) ) that way too if if you like. Could be a fun comparison.

I was afraid you'd think my "it only took 5 minutes" rolleye was directed at you which it wasn't. It was aimed at the editor of the music. Thanks for the discussion :)
 
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I'm always behind in this thread but regarding the skating lesson, I don't think anyone takes their commentary seriously, or that anyone should. As someone else said, they are like forum posters, but worse because they are even flat out mean to their favorites (and their favorites also change on the drop of a hat) whereas at least most forum posters are relatively consistent and actually like some people.

I do think their interviews tend to be good, and I don't dislike them so much that I boycott the interviews, but beyond that I don't think they have anything to offer that you can't get better here, and at least actually respond to and have a rational discussion about if the poster here is not nuts.
 
Just watched latest TSL and want Julia to kick butts really bad. :mad::sarcasm:

Never watch any TSL with Yulia. The only people they will ever support are the Americans. They only like international skaters when they are good. Yulia's going through a rough period and those close minded idiots think she is just some one hit wonder.
 
Here is my "fixed version" with the correct beat maintained.

https://youtu.be/t-s8_lg5Dog

Let's just assume that my additional 2 seconds violates time restrictions. I'd suggest then that she goes strait out of her StepSeq into her layback a little faster. She does an amazing transition at 2:43 that I'm assuming she could link into her spin almost directly.

Here: https://youtu.be/HPbXXp01Xis?t=2m40s

That would make up for the time difference and actually match the changing music structure better. Anyway...what do I know?

Thoughts?

Honestly, you did a better job than Yulia's entire team! She should hire you!
 
Never watch any TSL with Yulia. The only people they will ever support are the Americans. They only like international skaters when they are good. Yulia's going through a rough period and those close minded idiots think she is just some one hit wonder.

I don't really agree with this, they might have a slight Nationalistic bias, but they are quite mean about a lot of Americans too, and are nice about some international skaters. While it's true most of the international skaters they are nice about are good, I suppose that's only natural when half their show is saying how people suck.
 
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