Yulia Lipnitskaya

[skatefan22]

TSL talked a bit about skaters open practice at SA including Julia. For those who are interested, here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ui6wkOMpMg (starting 13:56). Coincidentally, they touched upon the Julia and Evgenia thing...

 

[Alba]

Hello. Just a word, if A WORD can be said, about her EX.
First I was ....:shocked:. then ..... and finally .....
That was NOT just an ex ... that was a STATEMENT, a break with the past, right in front of your face! If last year the perf was “nun” style (I had a problem with the umbrella), this was SUPERB! Racy, bold, whatever, let her BE. The Tempo of the music and the Choreo: superb. The repetitions: loved them. Movements punctuating the words, really daring.

3 performances this year SP/LP/EX each different from the another ...

That's what I think too. 3 performances and each very different. I don't like galas but I watched this one and I love her costume and her looks. Still not fully comfortable but I applaud the idea and the attempt. Well done for going with it. I think it's needed and it's good to see that she wants to explore and show versatility.

 

[volk]

Am I the only person that doesn't like this program? It's so sexual for a SEVENTEEN year old girl!

The only thing that is sexual about the program is the costume. Medvedeva's exo program is more sexual that this

 

[Ophelia]

At least she wasn't skating to Beyoncé's Partition...

 

[sjid]

I liked the skate, she has improved but I'm still not into the costume, I can't get over the gloves. No gloves, skin-colored gloves, I don't care just not this.

The costume colors are echt-hippie tie dye, 60's vintage: https://www.google.com/search?q=tie...X&ved=0CCcQ7AlqFQoTCKvWh7an4cgCFYlrPgodPpIERg

The gloves are echt-cool cat, 60's vintage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fq3XjwG_CA

The program is eclectic "classic pop 60's" dance.

This program is thoughtfully developed, a look back to that sometimes wild, sometimes ridiculous, sometimes tragic period. It is deep in humor, respect and cool. A colorful page of American history brought to us from Russia. Just as Gershwin entitled his tribute to the art culture of 1920's Paris, "An American in Paris," I think of this tribute to 1960's American pop culture as "A Russian in Boston."

 

[sjid]

I pray she doesn't give up! I think her on ice presence is something so rare and something that can't be taught. It must be harder on her than anyone to struggle like this. That is what breaks my heart more than anything. I just hope she can find her center and move forward. She has shown me so much about this sport and about myself and she has a way about her that is almost surreal. Best wishes and happiness to a very special person.

Don't worry about quitting. She has said many times for at least 2 years that she cannot quit, she knows only skating, that she will work toward the next Olympics. We need only look back to what she has endured physically, psychologically and athletically to appreciate the depth of commitment of this incredible young woman.

 

[sjid]

Yes she did said she couldn't stand the music after hearing it and skating for a week. I think it's somewhere between October or November pages, when she was asked again about her season and programs. Probably it's after CoC, the interview she gave to Tatiana Flade? :think:



Didn't Marina said that the Ex. was Yulia's choice?

Your description of the chronology of Yulia's rejection of Ilya's masterpiece is correct. Marina supplied the SP, not the Ex. This was like a declaration of love, Yulia has a history of selecting her own music.

 

[sjid]

I don't think either that Eteri made those comments. She would poison the relationships between her, Yulia and Evgenia all the same time as well as present herself as gossipy. I don't believe she is that stupid. In my view it's more likely that Tara made this up or blew a comment out of proportions to put Eteri and her group on the defensive. It would be more dangerous to her if she had talked about a US group, but the Russians are an easier target.

All this, plus Eteri genuinely loves Yulia. I cannot think of a single disparaging remark made by Eteri about Yulia. None. Same for Yulia denigrating Eteri. Such statements do not appear out of nowhere, there must be precedents.

Tara impeached herself last year. There has been a curious change in her attitude about Yulia. Go back to Skate Canada broadcast of a couple of years ago, it's on youtube. Weir talks about how much Tara and Yulia are alike with respect to achievement. Tara laps it up with initial feigned modesty, then admits she sees herself in the prodigy on ice from Russian. She became disrespectful last year. Now the cub reporter is scooping big time, but it seems that she is using a barnyard shovel to scoop with.

The fact is that Eteri divides her charges into two groups. I have no doubt that Eteri meant the two are in different groups, hence never go on the ice together. Anything else would be completely out of character.

Yulia has complained that she doesn't get enough time with her coach, she has complained about this for a long long time. This is also often misconstrued to mean that Yulia is spoiled and feels entitled. Wrong again. Finally, consider that Eteri chose Marina who shares Yulia's artistic vision (Yulia describes her as a lady with soul). Eteri has also arranged for Yulia to get jump coaching from a specialist. Thus Eteri has expanded Yulia's opportunities within a system that restricts Eteri's capacity to spend more time with Yulia.

 

[Aestheticprawn]

At least she wasn't skating to Beyoncé's Partition...

I literally thought the same thing

 

[sjid]

Sam and others who think USA would be a good choice: She would be fine if she stayed with Marina. Unlike Moscow, ArcticEdge is a capitalistic enterprise. If you have money to buy ice time, you can skate a lot. contrast this with her present situation. She has commented on this difference. If Adidas foots the bill, she would benefit assuming good coaches. I doubt she would appreciate American society, remember athletes don't drink or even eat cake. She could feel lost outside ArcticEdge. She doesn't need that. It seems her present situation is good. She can spend time with Marina (the SA choice was very likely strategic use of time), and continues with her beloved Eteri. Watch the sensitive behavior of Eteri in K&C, all positive. Finally, Russians are hated by a substantial segment of American society at many levels in a cold war atmosphere. This pervades daily life to an alarming degree.

 

[sjid]

I don't care what anyone says.....her Leningrad StSeq is amongst the best in ladies skating this season. Considering how busy CoP programs are these days it's nice to see a StSeq that flows and isn't just checking off the requirements with little purpose or done at a brisk pace.

This is her finest accomplishment to date, and there is a lot more going on than meets the casual eye. Here is one idea to consider. The choreography of the first 20 seconds is the basis for the choreography of the main step sequence. With regard to movement, these two sections are very closely related. But the music is quite different in each. Using the same movement in both sections reveals a very clever insight. She is telling us that the subject of her performance (a sweetheart, or whatever she has in mind) affects her in two diametrical ways: painful tenderness, and ethereal ecstasy. Her message of ambivalence is made clearer when we connect these two musical opposites. She guides us to connect them by using the same basic movements in both sections. Both these segments are intensely emotional. This degree of extreme sentiment is not everyone's pleasure, but for a romantic this passion is very powerful stuff. Checking off requirements is for bean counters.

 

[sjid]

Ilya continues to suffer from a classic narcissistic wound. The mother's role is still unclear. I hope that Yulia is able to ignore all that Ilya says and does.

 

[Aestheticprawn]

Yulia is in NYC!!!

 

[sjid]

I finally found this video which provides the context for the flower girl incident, from about 5:00 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki288q9iy_o
As usual, she leaves the ice deep in thought (but without rubbing her nose as in the past), reviewing in her mind all that has just transpired. After sitting she props her head on her hand staring out into space, dejected. Suddenly she realizes she is expected to take the flowers. But her thoughts are fixed on this latest disappointment, on what went wrong in the first competition of the new beginning, which was so reminiscent of last year. She had prepared successfully, but something failed her in the competition, not knowing what. Put yourself in her place. I find it easy to understand her so-called rude behavior. It couldn't be more obvious had she hung a "do not disturb" sign around her neck. This performance was a shock to her, she didn't have much left to pleasantly accept each individual gift from a long line of kids, one of whom shoved flowers in her face. Unfortunate but understandable, and nothing to do with her character.

 

[tulosai]

Sam and others who think USA would be a good choice: She would be fine if she stayed with Marina. Unlike Moscow, ArcticEdge is a capitalistic enterprise. If you have money to buy ice time, you can skate a lot. contrast this with her present situation. She has commented on this difference. If Adidas foots the bill, she would benefit assuming good coaches. I doubt she would appreciate American society, remember athletes don't drink or even eat cake. She could feel lost outside ArcticEdge. She doesn't need that. It seems her present situation is good. She can spend time with Marina (the SA choice was very likely strategic use of time), and continues with her beloved Eteri. Watch the sensitive behavior of Eteri in K&C, all positive. Finally, Russians are hated by a substantial segment of American society at many levels in a cold war atmosphere. This pervades daily life to an alarming degree.

I honestly don't think this is as true as you think, at all. Most Americans who know something about world politics (very few lol) don't like Putin, but I can't really remember ever having a conversation in America in the past 5-10 years where Russians or even really Russia were bashed. Honestly, I think most Americans don't really think too much about Russia at this point- they are more focused on the middle east, and most xenophobia or hatred in America right now is centered there. Most Americans around my age and younger(say under 32 ish) are far removed from any cold war mentality. We just don't remember it or care about it. I actually feel that now that I've moved to Europe the anti-Russia sentiment is stronger here because people here (perhaps by virtue of living closer to Russia and a lot of other countries than Americans do) are a little more conversant in what is actually going on in Russia, particularly as regards Ukraine. (Please know I am genuinely not trying to express an opinion on this myself here, truly just commenting on what I have heard).

Plus, my impression is that it's not really like Russians like Americans though perhaps you feel I am mistaken about this as I feel you are mistaken

I am confident that Americans would be kind to Julia and also feel there is a lot more to American society than eating cake and drinking .

But anyway, it is up to Julia to choose where she feels it is best for her to train and live

 

[alebi]

I think 2 2A-3Ts are perfectly doable for her as her 2A looks much better this season than her previous seasons but the judges are going notice it and compare it to her fellow ladies. If you have ladies like Anna P doing 3Lz-3T and a 3Lo-1Lo-3S in the same long program the judges more likely to favour a clean Anna over a clean Yulia. They really like those big elements. Satoko is slowly clawing her way up with the 2 2A-3Ts, it's hard for Satoko internationally but Yulia's competition in Russia is unlike anything else:hopelessness:

You're right but, as I said, what she needs now is not even being competitive on a very high level, but only to regain confidence and this can happen only with a clean skate. Insisting on the big elements isn't the proper strategy right now (to me). But your considerations brought me to think why she never tried a 2A-1L-3S combo. Has someone any info about it, if she ever tried an unusual combo? This would leave a space for a solo 3T.
And why did she left out the 3L in Skate America? She was starting to struggle with it in the past but, I think, it was because she was spending all her efforts on the Lutz and Flip's right edges.
What I can say for sure is that now she's bigger than 2 years ago and since her strong point was her ability to turn fast, now this is impossible without a greater speed. So skating skill (and maybe a bit more of athletic training) is what she has to improve.

I'm a bit sad because during her exhibition I've seen a very bored Yulia, I had the feeling that actually she didn't want to be there. But she was the only guest, which means that people want to see her. And this is a honour and a sign of how much beloved she's.

 

[Plisskin]

I honestly don't think this is as true as you think, at all. Most Americans who know something about world politics (very few lol) don't like Putin, but I can't really remember ever having a conversation in America in the past 5-10 years where Russians or even really Russia were bashed. Honestly, I think most Americans don't really think too much about Russia at this point- they are more focused on the middle east, and most xenophobia or hatred in America right now is centered there. Most Americans around my age and younger(say under 32 ish) are far removed from any cold war mentality. We just don't remember it or care about it. I actually feel that now that I've moved to Europe the anti-Russia sentiment is stronger here because people here (perhaps by virtue of living closer to Russia and a lot of other countries than Americans do) are a little more conversant in what is actually going on in Russia, particularly as regards Ukraine. (Please know I am genuinely not trying to express an opinion on this myself here, truly just commenting on what I have heard).

Plus, my impression is that it's not really like Russians like Americans though perhaps you feel I am mistaken about this as I feel you are mistaken

I am confident that Americans would be kind to Julia and also feel there is a lot more to American society than eating cake and drinking .

But anyway, it is up to Julia to choose where she feels it is best for her to train and live

Yeah I was very perplexed by that comment as well. In the U.S, unless the news is talking about Putin, no one cares about Russia or Russians to be honest. And as for regular Russian people, people don't hate Russians here. If anything, I'd say if your an American in Russia you would have a hard time, not the other way around. This American ballet dancer, Joy Womack, who puts up daily vlogs on Youtube (she dances for the Kremlin), gets a lot of flack for her nationality over there. In contrast, Russian dancers who dance in American companies are celebrated over here like Maria Kotchekova and Veronika Part. People love when the Bolshoi or Mariinsky come and tour. Sold out shows always.
If Yulia decided to train in the U.S. she would not be constantly hated on in daily life due to her nationality.

 

[plushyfan]

I don't think if Julia would move to US her jumps were better... Her problems are the jumps now, I don't think if she leaves her beloved Russia it would help her... She needs time..and peace.

 

[Jagger]

This American ballet dancer, Joy Womack, who puts up daily vlogs on Youtube (she dances for the Kremlin), gets a lot of flack for her nationality over there.

Sorry for my English.
This is strange.
I do not think that in Russia for the Americans there is any danger.
Prior to the events in Ukraine, the relationship was very good.
I went to the cable car cabin in the mountains of Sochi during the Olympics. There were about 20 people. When all discovered that the American traveling with us, all excited and someone gave him a packet of crackers. He was very confused. Everyone laughed.

Now yes, the situation is worse, because the sanctions have affected the standard of living of Russians. Although actually more affected by oil prices.
But anti-American propaganda is now much weaker. About Ukraine News there are very few. Syria is in focus, the main enemy - IS, the USA is also at war with IS, we are cooperating with (we are stronger and correct US mistakes ) I sure everything will return to a good relationship.
In the USA too have propaganda, because I have seen the analysis of how to cut Putin's interview for CNN, or even some of the channel. They were removed all reconciling words. You also have the benefit of an external enemy.

 

[Aestheticprawn]

I don't think if Julia would move to US her jumps were better... Her problems are the jumps now, I don't think if she leaves her beloved Russia it would help her... She needs time..and peace.

I think Yulia would enjoy herself more in America but I don't think it would help her skating.