Russia Doping Report

[tulosai]

Honestly I think it's extreme to talk about stripping a whole country of medals when you can't prove for a fact that any of the specific athletes were taking drugs at the time. To me this is absurd and unfair- what about the athletes who were not participating in this? Do you really expect me to believe every Russian at Sochi was on performance enhancing drugs? I get they are trying to punish the federation, but actually no they are just punishing the athletes.

Personally, I'd like to see drug testing and investigations get actually serious if they are indeed serious about wanting the problem to end. I realize this would be a substantial investment of time and money, but 'all' it would take to end doping entirely is to test every athlete immediately after every major competition and actually honestly report the results and strip medals and titles and placements from every single athlete who had drugs in their system. If this was actually done at the Olympics for example, and it was known that it was actually going to be done and results would be reported accurately, I highly doubt anyone would dope.

 

[hurrah]

If this was actually done at the Olympics for example, and it was known that it was actually going to be done and results would be reported accurately, I highly doubt anyone would dope.

Well, I don't know that that would be enough. There are people like Lance Armstrong, for example. I would think that elite athletes (and their coaches, federations, etc.) really, really, really, rrrreeeaaaallly like to win.

 

[solani]

Honestly I think it's extreme to talk about stripping a whole country of medals when you can't prove fro a fact that any of the specific athletes were taking drugs at the time. To me this is absurd and unfair- what about the athletes who were not participating in this? Do you really expect me to believe every Russian at Sochi was on performance enhancing drugs? I get they are trying to punish the federation, but actually no they are just punishing the athletes.

Personally, I'd like to see drug testing and investigations get actually serious if they are indeed serious about wanting the problem to end. I realize this would be a substantial investment of time and money, but 'all' it would take to end doping entirely is to test every athlete immediately after every major competition and actually honestly report the results and strip medals and titles and placements from every single athlete who had drugs in their system. If this was actually done at the Olympics for example, and it was known that it was actually going to be done and results would be reported accurately, I highly doubt anyone would dope.

I'm pretty sure they'll only strip medals when they have real proof. And athletes rarely dope during competitions, the dirty work is done weeks or months before. And I don't think that every Russian in Sochi used performance enhancing drugs. Ok, maybe every Russian biathlete. (Sorry I had to write that, I have no proof!)

2 Canadians ^^
Sorry, i know i´m being not nice, i just wanna have some time as the people who say all east europe and russia is the same thing.

But for an unbiased comission, i´d rather have no canadians and germans in it - maybe a brazillian and a japanese for example.

I'd rather have the germans in it, not because I think that sport in Germany is cleaner than anywhere else, just because they had to deal with the East German doping history (though they never really reviewed the West Germany doping history) and because a german journalist really started this investigation. And this german journalist is rather unpopular among the german athletes and coaches. He's a good one, tried to get the german biathlete. I think he lost his job because of that and then investigated in Russia, because of a tip he got from an russian athlete.

 

[cruzceleste]

Well, I don't know that that would be enough. There are people like Lance Armstrong, for example. I would think that elite athletes (and their coaches, federations, etc.) really, really, really, rrrreeeaaaallly like to win.

If I understand well, athletes are tested. Russia is acussed of tampering with imparcial analysis of the samples and destroying samples.

By example athletes are tested after a competition, and in trainning in regular controls

 

[Violet Bliss]

The three members of the WADA commission are two Canadians and a German.

The investigation was launched due to claims and it's not about the citizenships of the WADA members.

This is not about the USA at all.

Isn't USA a major member in all international sport events, organizations, and governing bodies, including the Olympics? How can it not about USA at all?

US pharmaceutical output is $170 Billion per year. With all their scientists and research capacity, and $B criminal convictions, they have no involvement in athlete performance enhancements whatsoever? Is this one area they plead total incompetence or superior ethics?

Who has the best pharmacists? The best ones know not only how to boost performance but also how to hide the drug use. Some of the biggest cheaters are Americans who were caught after years of fame and fortune.

I'm not defending offenders and advocating ignoring investigation results, just not for hyper hypocrisy of always making accusations against others while believing in or feigning one's own innocence.

As I stated earlier, investigation should be fair and not targeting a nation and wholesale severe penalties is gross injustice.

 

[cruzceleste]

While people is making this in a "war againts Russia thing", I think it should be watched as something that will impulse a cleaner sporting competition.

I love Olympics, and I love sports, so my hearths goes to every clean athlete that has been and will be affected by this affair.

 

[OS]

What disgust me is the IAAF (International Association of Athletics Federations) president Lamine Diack is being investigated for allegedly accepting payments to defer doping sanctions against Russian athletes. Pay we will cover it up and keep quiet, don't pay we will fine you. Makes you wonder how many people got away with doping the past, condoned by the very people who is suppose to guard the morality of the sport.

 

[cruzceleste]

What disgust me is the IAAF (International Association of Athletics Federations) president Lamine Diack is being investigated for allegedly accepting payments to defer doping sanctions against Russian athletes. Pay we will cover it up and keep quiet, don't pay we will fine you. Makes you wonder how many people got away with doping the past, condoned by the very people who is suppose to guard the morality of the sport.

He is no longer the President, I understand, Sebastian Coe is now in charge.

 

[jenaj]

The investigation was launched due to claims and it's not about the citizenships of the WADA members.



Isn't USA a major member in all international sport events, organizations, and governing bodies, including the Olympics? How can it not about USA at all?

US pharmaceutical output is $170 Billion per year. With all their scientists and research capacity, and $B criminal convictions, they have no involvement in athlete performance enhancements whatsoever? Is this one area they plead total incompetence or superior ethics?

Who has the best pharmacists? The best ones know not only how to boost performance but also how to hide the drug use. Some of the biggest cheaters are Americans who were caught after years of fame and fortune.

I'm not defending offenders and advocating ignoring investigation results, just not for hyper hypocrisy of always making accusations against others while believing in or feigning one's own innocence.

As I stated earlier, investigation should be fair and not targeting a nation and wholesale severe penalties is gross injustice.

As I understand it, the Russian federation is accused of facilitating or encouraging the use of banned performance-enhancing drugs by their Olympic athletes. Whether or not US (private) pharmaceutical companies are capable of producing performance-enhancing drugs (or have an incentive to produce them, given the relatively small market) has nothing to do with whether the official US Olympic sports federation (or the US government) might be involved, too. I think it is highly doubtful. Individual athletes and their coaches, yes, in some cases. That is well-documented. But there isn't a shred of evidence suggested that there is or has ever been any official US policy to use performance-enhancing drugs.

 

[solani]

As I understand it, the Russian federation is accused of facilitating or encouraging the use of banned performance-enhancing drugs by their Olympic athletes. Whether or not US (private) pharmaceutical companies are capable of producing performance-enhancing drugs (or have an incentive to produce them, given the relatively small market) has nothing to do with whether the official US Olympic sports federation (or the US government) might be involved, too. I think it is highly doubtful. Individual athletes and their coaches, yes, in some cases. That is well-documented. But there isn't a shred of evidence suggested that there is or has ever been any official US policy to use performance-enhancing drugs.

We know that it has happened in the past (f.e. Carl Lewis was tested positive a couple of days before the 1988 Olympics in the U.S.. This was covered up in the U.S. and we all know how that ended. He even made the U.S. track and field HOF in 2001). But I agree, I don't think that it will happen now, U.S. T&F seems to take the anti doping war seriously.

 

[noskates]

Many skaters have made reference to the fact that they have to "pee" after they've medaled in a competition - as far back as Kurt Browning's autobiography "Jump!" If I'm not mistaken they have to go almost immediately after results are announced. Hard to fool this type of immediacy.

But I also don't think the entire country should be penalized if they can prove it happened. Slap those that did it.

 

[mrrice]

Many skaters have made reference to the fact that they have to "pee" after they've medaled in a competition - as far back as Kurt Browning's autobiography "Jump!" If I'm not mistaken they have to go almost immediately after results are announced. Hard to fool this type of immediacy.

But I also don't think the entire country should be penalized if they can prove it happened. Slap those that did it.

I agree. I remember Rudy Galindo saying the same thing. He talked about the emotion of winning and then feeling like a criminal when had to pee in a cup before the Medal Ceremony.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Many skaters have made reference to the fact that they have to "pee" after they've medaled in a competition - as far back as Kurt Browning's autobiography "Jump!" If I'm not mistaken they have to go almost immediately after results are announced. Hard to fool this type of immediacy.

But I also don't think the entire country should be penalized if they can prove it happened. Slap those that did it.

There is always a game of cat and mouse between law evaders and law enforcers. Sometimes testing has to catch up with more advanced evasion of discovery. Battle of the biochemists will continue.

I doubt doping is a serious concern in figure skating. Speed skating, more likely.

 

[humbaba]

I doubt doping is a serious concern in figure skating.

You might be surprised at the opportunities for using banned drugs in sports like figure skating. Aside from the previously mentioned growth inhibitors, anabolic steroids can be used for purposes other than building huge muscle mass. Because they increase the rate of muscle synthesis and repair, they allow an athlete to train longer and harder and promote faster healing for some types of injuries.

 

[plushyfan]

Many skaters have made reference to the fact that they have to "pee" after they've medaled in a competition - as far back as Kurt Browning's autobiography "Jump!" If I'm not mistaken they have to go almost immediately after results are announced. Hard to fool this type of immediacy.

I'm shure..I remember Plushenko, Johnny Weir mentioned it in their interviews..Plushenko and Lipnitskaya were in "допинг-контроль"-doping-control in Sochi, too. So probably all medallists were in doping tests in all sports from all nations.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Can we maybe keep a rumor tally for this thread in the first post. :curse:

 

[mrrice]

You might be surprised at the opportunities for using banned drugs in sports like figure skating. Aside from the previously mentioned growth inhibitors, anabolic steroids can be used for purposes other than building huge muscle mass. Because they increase the rate of muscle synthesis and repair, they allow an athlete to train longer and harder and promote faster healing for some types of injuries.

KABOOM!!! 100% Correct. I've seen dancers use Roids "Several Times" because they aid in the rapid repair of torn muscles. When an athlete or performer becomes worried for whatever reason. Some will take the risk. Dancers are often reminded that they can be replaced and I'm sure this happens to athlete's as well.

Remember Randy Gardener. I believe he had a torn hip flexor or something like that. People said that if he'd taken PED's his injury never would have happened.

 

[Violet Bliss]

You might be surprised at the opportunities for using banned drugs in sports like figure skating. Aside from the previously mentioned growth inhibitors, anabolic steroids can be used for purposes other than building huge muscle mass. Because they increase the rate of muscle synthesis and repair, they allow an athlete to train longer and harder and promote faster healing for some types of injuries.

From what I know, the elite figure skaters are careful in getting approval for their healing treatments.

Random ambitious athletes may try anything, especially if they are not very likely to be tested. And the high level ones will use the best they can afford, with possibility of beating the tests.

Maybe a pill that increases charisma and artistry would be popular among figure skaters?

 

[sabinfire]

Maybe a pill that increases charisma and artistry would be popular among figure skaters?

They have something like that, actually. It's called acid.

 

[Mista Ekko]

I hope that if it comes to that, All of our athletes would be "exonerated", No matter what nation they're from,
It's bad enough we have issues with judges and federations i want to believe the skaters are Pure...


With all this talk about the amounts of athletes who take performance enhancing drugs, And a lot of them getting away with it,
All i can think of is how Carolina Kostner had to sit out all this time despite of being a clean athlete who made some mistake
outside of competition hwell: