Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season

[da96103]

Yes, he can. His Majesty Yuzuru Hanyu by Florentina Tone

PHOTO GALLERY Yuzuru Hanyu at the 2015 Grand Prix Final in Barcelona by Florentina Tone

Beautiful article by Ms Florentina. I rate it a 'quadruple salchow'!

Loved that she mentioned a wayward Pooh landed on a judge's table and was subsequently thrown onto the ice and completed a throw quadruple salchow of its own. :hap57: (with marvelous pictures)

She also mentioned that after the SP, Brian Orser "he’s applauding his own way, hitting ritmically the boards with his right palm;" But I think Brian hitting the board was to signal Yuzuru to come off the ice to give him a hug before he goes to Javi.

A very nice article.

 

[skatefan22]

Has this been posted? Shoma revealed what happened on the podium at GPF15: “Yuzu said to me 'fold your arms’, I didn’t quite get what he wanted, but put my arm through Yuzu’s anyway. Then Yuzu laughed at me saying ‘that kind of pose is for weddings!!’”.

Looking back at what happened up there, I guess by “fold your arms”, Yuzu wanted Shoma to put the small doll to his left arm so that he could put his right arm around Yuzu’s waist. But it is such a cute misunderstanding from Shoma!

 

[danni]

Yes, he can. His Majesty Yuzuru Hanyu by Florentina Tone

PHOTO GALLERY Yuzuru Hanyu at the 2015 Grand Prix Final in Barcelona by Florentina Tone

Thank you Florentina for your very interesting, complete article and your beautiful photos ! :clapper:

 

[Rissa]

Oh- arigatou for taking the time to answer So he doesn't have to go through the agony of the rest of the quads to be the first skater (like EVER) to land a Quint jump? That's very good to know. Although too bad about the ISU scoring system.Maybe they should start thinking about the possibility? LOL!!How much points would it cost if--say..a 5S cleanly landed!:eeking:

Well, he probably would have to go through the agony of learning 4A first. Given that axel is one of Yuzu's best jumps and he still can't make the full four and a half rotation, it doesn't make much sense attempting five rotations on anything else.

 

[Meoima]

Well, he probably would have to go through the agony of learning 4A first. Given that axel is one of Yuzu's best jumps and he still can't make the full four and a half rotation, it doesn't make much sense attempting five rotations on anything else.

all the strong men before him gave up the 4A because it's too dangerous so I don't think Yuzuru should go for it. He can successfully land it in practice, who knows, but it's dangerous still when you think about putting something like that in the program.
As for the quint, people should forget it, unless you jump on the moon, there's no way for a quint.

 

[Meoima]

Oh- arigatou for taking the time to answer So he doesn't have to go through the agony of the rest of the quads to be the first skater (like EVER) to land a Quint jump? That's very good to know. Although too bad about the ISU scoring system.Maybe they should start thinking about the possibility? LOL!!How much points would it cost if--say..a 5S cleanly landed!:eeking:

Physically you can't jump a quint because it's against the law of gravity. Unless the boot technology change, or you jump on the moon.

 

[Pamigena]

How about we just ask the crazy kid himself? So, Yuzu, how do you feel about doing just one more revolution while you're already up there?

 

[jaq]

I read several pages here talking about the jumps in the programs. I hope the ISU may limit the number of jumps for each program in order to maintain the health and safety of skaters. I believe that in this sport there needs to be a perfect balance between safety. technique and art, which embody the music and the program in all its essence.

Oh come on. That's just silly. For years and even last year, people had been arguing that the quad and multiple quads were too dangerous, and that they were taking away the artistic side from the sport. Yuzuru has proven that wrong for years now. Shoma and Javi also proved that at GPF. It's true that the scoring needs to be updated, but that's because people like Yuzu are pushing the sport great places. To stagnate anything is never good. To stop trying to advance a sport is the exact opposite of the concept of sport and competition. They used to say that a quad couldn't be done, yet look where we are now. They used to say women couldn't do 3As and 3/3, but history tells me differently. The sport told Midori Ito that she couldn't do a 3A, but that didn't stop her. There is always someone who does it first (Vern Taylor, Midori Ito, Dick Button, Kurt Browning). It always seems impossible until it's done.

The big news is that Yuzu keeps pushing the technical, but he's pushing the artistic too. He may not be as lauded as Patrick or Daisuke, but he's showing the absolute beautiful possibility of combining art and high technical (entrances to jumps, choreo with jumps, flow between choreo and jumps-lack of setup). Evgeni is considered one of the greatest skaters of all time, yet lbr he didn't really have much choreography.

And the idea of the ISU limiting technical leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of its history of limiting female skaters who were pushing boundaries because they didn't have stereotypical figure skating aesthetics. Figure skating needs to stop being so conservative and embrace the possibility of human ability.

 

[gsyzf]

I LOVE HIS 3A 1Lo 3S COMBINATION!!!!!! Its so effortless and just amazing

I find his best choreographed 3A-1Lo-3S is the combo in POTO. It matches the music perfectly. The 3Lo-1Lo-3S in SEIMEI (at Autumn Classic) also matches the music really well, even though the combination was not planned.

 

[Lysambre]

Physically you can't jump a quint because it's against the law of gravity. Unless the boot technology change, or you jump on the moon.

This is, almost word for word, what people used to say about quads when people first started to train for them...

I'm not saying we'll see quints anytime soon, but I've learned very long ago to never say never.

 

[Meoima]

This is, almost word for word, what people used to say about quads when people first started to train for them...
I'm not saying we'll see quints anytime soon, but I've learned very long ago to never say never.

Skaters landed iffy quads by the time because boots technology by that time was not as good as today. Now we have better boots and better quads. But the boot technology is still not good enough for a quint (if we have anyone who can land it).

 

[Rissa]

Physically you can't jump a quint because it's against the law of gravity. Unless the boot technology change, or you jump on the moon.

That's interesting, can you provide some links that explain the physics and mechanics that make it be against the law of gravity? I've never seen such arguments before. It seemed to me that somebody who could simply jump higher and further could theoretically do it.

 

[Rissa]

I find his best choreographed 3A-1Lo-3S is the combo in POTO. It matches the music perfectly. The 3Lo-1Lo-3S in SEIMEI (at Autumn Classic) also matches the music really well, even though the combination was not planned.

That one was truly gorgeous.

 

[YesWay]

That's interesting, can you provide some links that explain the physics and mechanics that make it be against the law of gravity? I've never seen such arguments before. It seemed to me that somebody who could simply jump higher and further could theoretically do it.

Indeed.

The height of a jump determines how long a skater has in the air, to complete their rotations... before gravity brings them back down to the ice. (horizontal speed/distance not relevant).

I think gymnasts, and old-school highjumpers in athletics, are able to jump higher than figure skaters - even without using gymnastic flips or fosbury flops etc.

More height = more time in the air = more rotations.

So in principle, I think quints might be possible... by an exceptional high-jumper... without requiring anti-gravity or breaking any laws of physics...

 

[Pamigena]

From scientificamerican.com
Is the Quintuple Jump in Figure Skating Physically Possible?

Short version: theoretically it's possible, but it's unlikely to happen and probably not worth the risk.

 

[Meoima]

That's interesting, can you provide some links that explain the physics and mechanics that make it be against the law of gravity? I've never seen such arguments before. It seemed to me that somebody who could simply jump higher and further could theoretically do it.

It's possible in theory but with the current boot technology it's unlikely. Take the biggest jumper ever Yagudin and the fastest rotator ever aka Boyang and mix them into one then maybe a quint can happen.
And let's not forget all the "quads" we are seeing today are actually not "true quads" if we take into account of the pre rotation. Even the best quad jumper pre rotate their quads in about 1/4 rotation.
How can they do a quint when their quads indeed do not have full 4 rotations?

 

[YesWay]

And let's not forget all the "quads" we are seeing today are actually not "true quads" if we take into account of the pre rotation. Even the best quad jumper pre rotate their quads in about 1/4 rotation.
How can they do a quint when their quads indeed do not have full 4 rotations?

a) A quint would probably also be pre-rotated about 1/4 rotation, and
b) If anyone ever succeeds, it probably won't be one of the current "best jumpers".

It's possible in theory but with the current boot technology it's unlikely. Take the biggest jumper ever Yagudin and the fastest rotator ever aka Boyang and mix them into one then maybe a quint can happen.

There you are... that's how it will happen, if it ever happens.

Plenty of mileage and untapped potential left in quads though.
I don't think anyone is seriously considering quints yet.

 

[Pamigena]

Found another article with some more opinions and technical talk. But they basically come to the same conclusion: in theory a quint is not impossible, but the chances of it happening are about the same as hitting the lottery if you only buy one single ticket in your entire life.

and I really don't think we have to seriously worry about crazy Yuzu trying something like a quint if THAT is his first reaction when asked about practicing that kind of jump

 

[HanyaYuzura]

Found another article with some more opinions and technical talk. But they basically come to the same conclusion: in theory a quint is not impossible, but the chances of it happening are about the same as hitting the lottery if you only buy one single ticket in your entire life.

and I really don't think we have to seriously worry about crazy Yuzu trying something like a quint if THAT is his first reaction when asked about practicing that kind of jump

oooohhhhh THANK GOD!!! My mind's at rest now Considering his 'stubborn-ness'..I was afraid he..might consider a quint {the last gif does not give me much asurance that he will watch out for his health though since he appears to be thinking about it.waah!!}The quads are taking enough toll on his body.
Thanks everyone for putting my mind at ease with the amazing articles. Honestly the question has been bothering me eversince I've read somewhere(I don't even remember) that HE WANTED TO BE THE FIRST TO DO SOMETHING. My mind just added--What? Something like a quint? Don't you dare---Yuzu!! Just leave it for your future little Hanyu to do!:angry1:

“Nobody ever thought anybody would run a four-minute mile, nobody ever thought anybody would run a 9.7 in the 100 metres, you’d have to think that our kids’ kids might be doing quints,” he said. “But I think that’s a long way away. Watching someone do a quad is mind-boggling still for me.”

AMEN Scott Moir

"The quad is the physical limit," Richards told Live Science. "To do a quint, we would have to have somebody built like a pencil, and they can't get much smaller than they already are." AMEN again.

 

[Yuzu Beloved Angel]

Oh come on. That's just silly. For years and even last year, people had been arguing that the quad and multiple quads were too dangerous, and that they were taking away the artistic side from the sport. Yuzuru has proven that wrong for years now. Shoma and Javi also proved that at GPF. It's true that the scoring needs to be updated, but that's because people like Yuzu are pushing the sport great places. To stagnate anything is never good. To stop trying to advance a sport is the exact opposite of the concept of sport and competition. They used to say that a quad couldn't be done, yet look where we are now. They used to say women couldn't do 3As and 3/3, but history tells me differently. The sport told Midori Ito that she couldn't do a 3A, but that didn't stop her. There is always someone who does it first (Vern Taylor, Midori Ito, Dick Button, Kurt Browning). It always seems impossible until it's done.

The big news is that Yuzu keeps pushing the technical, but he's pushing the artistic too. He may not be as lauded as Patrick or Daisuke, but he's showing the absolute beautiful possibility of combining art and high technical (entrances to jumps, choreo with jumps, flow between choreo and jumps-lack of setup). Evgeni is considered one of the greatest skaters of all time, yet lbr he didn't really have much choreography.

And the idea of the ISU limiting technical leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of its history of limiting female skaters who were pushing boundaries because they didn't have stereotypical figure skating aesthetics. Figure skating needs to stop being so conservative and embrace the possibility of human ability.

Beloved, I appreciate your comments. I'm not against the development of this sport. I believe in the ability of human beings to overcome their limits and improve its capabilities. We need not talk about Yuzu, as all here know how it is unique and special about this esporte.Suas skills are indisputable. I am concerned about the safety and health of skaters and not think that's foolishness .