Your favorite ladies Olympic competition

[Sweet Dream]

Yuna Kim's flawless performances at 2010 Winter Olympics are the greatest I have ever seen!

 

[skateluvr]

Here is Chen Lu now, pictured with some of her students at her skating facility in Shenzhen (near Hong Kong). Same prominent cheekbones, same deep dimples. Add Lulu to the list of "fine wine" ladies who become more fascinating as they acquire maturity.

http://photogiving.smugmug.com/photos/223838453-M.jpg

Thanks Mathman. I change the word for Chen lu from exotic to exquisite. I recall her looking at the camera with incredible eyes that dimple and her burgundy velvet simple classy dress. One of my favorite ladies ever and I thought she should have won in 1996. Michelle was spot on perfect. Her ending pose on the beat. Incredible packaging turned Kwan from a pony tailed kid with no make up and a juvenile dress into Salome. If ever there should be a tie and two golds awarded it was this competition. I really loved them both. Tough call to this day

 

[mrrice]

Here is Chen Lu now, pictured with some of her students at her skating facility in Shenzhen (near Hong Kong). Same prominent cheekbones, same deep dimples. Add Lulu to the list of "fine wine" ladies who become more fascinating as they acquire maturity.

http://photogiving.smugmug.com/photos/223838453-M.jpg

http://photogiving.smugmug.com/photos/223843369-M.jpg

Wow, She looks like Tennis Star Li Na who is also from china. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/...jojS6P8vI6n4OMk3VsQT5U_x9mVwWlNkuKfrF2XGpUt_d

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...024eaCLZtqs8VTJbY3_SSDyA39AzrrVf6qRGsq5s_3vUA

 

[Sweet Dream]

Wow, She looks like Tennis Star Li Na who is also from china. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/...jojS6P8vI6n4OMk3VsQT5U_x9mVwWlNkuKfrF2XGpUt_d

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...024eaCLZtqs8VTJbY3_SSDyA39AzrrVf6qRGsq5s_3vUA

In what way do these two look alike, mrrice?

 

[Mathman]

^ They both have bright smiles?

 

[mrrice]

In what way do these two look alike, mrrice?

This is actually a good question and here's my honest answer.

First, they both have dark brown hair that is virtually the same length, they both have very pretty smile's and big dimples. The fact that they are both from China is a mere coincidence as I saw them both when they were in the US. To me, it would be no different than thinking that Michelle Kwan and Bebe Liang looked alike. I hope that made sense

I'm not sure where your question was going but, I will say this much. As a Black Man from Germany from US Parents. I learned a long time ago not to read too much into things. You'd be surprised at how many times people would say rude things about me when I was traveling "Assuming" I wouldn't understand......I loved busting them in their own language.

 

[Ophelia]

^Do all Asians/Chinese look alike to you? Michelle and Bebe, Li and Lu look nothing alike...

 

[mrrice]

^Do all Asians/Chinese look alike to you? Michelle and Bebe, Li and Lu look nothing alike...

Now you're just being stupid, and rude. I grew up hearing "All Black People Look Alike" I have met Both Lu Chen and Li Na and I'm telling you MY opinion having seen Lu in Oakland in 1991 and meeting Li Na in Indian Wells California at a Tennis Tournament. When I met Li Na, I said to her face "Wow...You look just like Lu Chen... Her Answer "I know, I hear that all he time" So, it's not just me.

This is a road I will not continue go down with you. Good Night!!!

 

[Mathman]

Well, for what it's worth I think that Miki Ando looks like Sophia Loren. I am aware that I am the only person in the world who thinks that.

http://i0.wp.com/www.japancrush.com...do-miki-pregnancy-japan-01.jpg?resize=600,400

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...pu9KSAjdoReZmydqu_vqvqyvESILHfyaA8nhHniuVsu4u

(OK, Loren has fuller lips.)

 

[Sweet Dream]

This is actually a good question and here's my honest answer.

First, they both have dark brown hair that is virtually the same length, they both have very pretty smile's and big dimples. The fact that they are both from China is a mere coincidence as I saw them both when they were in the US. To me, it would be no different than thinking that Michelle Kwan and Bebe Liang looked alike. I hope that made sense

I'm not sure where your question was going but, I will say this much. As a Black Man from Germany from US Parents. I learned a long time ago not to read too much into things. You'd be surprised at how many times people would say rude things about me when I was traveling "Assuming" I wouldn't understand......I loved busting them in their own language.

Honestly I just found your comparison a little amusing, but I am not at all laughing at you, mrrice. Actually they in no way look alike! I don't want to go into details to avoid offending some tennis fans...

 

[begin]

It's pretty much speculation as to the reasons for the scoring change unless someone knows first hand. But there is no way Kim's long program at 2010 Worlds should have scored higher than Mao's, with a triple axel, no fall and no popped jump.

Let's add context to this. Mao's jumps in 2010 were no where near the quality of what she's doing now. I think Yuna was overscored in 2010 but the issue was in the PCS, not the GOEs.

And I would disagree with anyone going as far as to say Yuna's technical ability wasn't transformative. Maybe not in her OGM performance alone but definitely what she's shown through her career.

 

[mrrice]

Honestly I just found your comparison a little amusing, but I am not at all laughing at you, mrrice. Actually they in no way look alike! I don't want to go into details to avoid offending some tennis fans...

Ohhhhh, Sweet Dream....Li Na is funny and so very nice. I'll look for her victory speech after winning the Australian Open and you'll see how sweet she is. Remember, Tennis players have just finished a grueling match that lasts hours, not just 4 minutes. They also don't have on any make up, and certainly don't have a pretty dress on. I'm going to find Li's Speech. BRB

Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-uVsj2pJDo

 

[Mathman]

It was a glitch in the system that allowed Yuna, with a fall and a popped axel, to place above Mao in the long program at 2010 Worlds. That is the likely reason why the value of GOE's was lowered.

I think it might have been a little of both. Yuna won the Olympics with such a huge gap over a good performance by Mao, and then controversially she won Worlds with a flawed performance. In any case the ISU responded by lowering GOEs, raising the value of a triple Axel, and disallowing skaters to cover up the lack of a jump (loop in Yuna's case) by doing three double Axels.

Yuna fans thought that the ISU was deliberately targeting Yuna and specifically elevating the chances of her chief rival, most likely thanks to sinister politicking by the Japanese federation. I don't know about all that, but they did tinker with the code of points in a way that they thought would produce more balanced results.

 

[begin]

I think it might have been a little of both. Yuna won the Olympics with such a huge gap over a good performance by Mao, and then controversially she won Worlds with a flawed performance. In any case the ISU responded by lowering GOEs, raising the value of a triple Axel, and disallowing skaters to cover up the lack of a jump (loop in Yuna's case) by doing three double Axels.

Yuna fans thought that the ISU was deliberately targeting Yuna and specifically elevating the chances of her chief rival, most likely thanks to sinister politicking by the Japanese federation. I don't know about all that, but they did tinker with the code of points in a way that they thought would produce more balanced results.

She didn't win worlds in 2010, just the long program.

I agreed with their tinkering at the time but the changes were very Yuna-focused. It makes me wonder if the new rules turned out fair for her after all (especially the double axel rule).

 

[ice coverage]

... I grew up hearing "All Black People Look Alike" ...

And some of us grew up hearing that all Chinese people look alike.

So the concern over your posts should be perfectly understandable to you.

 

[mrrice]

And some of us grew up hearing that all Chinese people look alike.

So the concern over your posts should be perfectly understandable to you.

I think you're missing the point. I have seen Lu Chen in person at Skate America in 1991. I met and spoke to Li Na in Indian Wells California at a Tennis Tournament. I had watched her play and it never occurred to me that she looked like Lu, until I met her AFTER her match. I still have several friends who work for Coca Cola, as I once did. When they sponsor events I will often get an invite. That's how I've been able to meet some of the nice people I've met over the years.

I have traveled the world and I would never "Knowingly" offend anyone. If you've been offended by my comments, I apologize.

 

[largeman]

Predictably, another thread going down the path of "Yuna vs. Mao" or "Offensive?/Not Offensive?" or both, in this case. It's always amusing

 

[gotoschool]

I think it might have been a little of both. Yuna won the Olympics with such a huge gap over a good performance by Mao, and then controversially she won Worlds with a flawed performance. In any case the ISU responded by lowering GOEs, raising the value of a triple Axel, and disallowing skaters to cover up the lack of a jump (loop in Yuna's case) by doing three double Axels.

Yuna fans thought that the ISU was deliberately targeting Yuna and specifically elevating the chances of her chief rival, most likely thanks to sinister politicking by the Japanese federation. I don't know about all that, but they did tinker with the code of points in a way that they thought would produce more balanced results.

For the Olympics, I like individual performances more than entire competitions. My favorites are: Mao's Sochi LP and her SP at Vancouver in 2010, Lu Chen's Butterfly Lovers in 1998 and her LP in 1994, and Denise Biellmann's LP in 1980.

Here is looking at the allegations of "sinister politicking" by the Japanese federation and alleged advantageous scoring for Mao from the other side. In their last ISU freeskates before the 2010 Olympics, Mao's LP at the 4CC's had a freeskate score that was 3 points higher than Yuna Kim's at the Grand Prix Final and neither performance had easily noticeable mistakes. Yet at the Olympics and afterwards, Yuna Kim had a freeskate score that was 21 points higher than Mao's LP performance at Worlds and again neither performance had easily noticeable mistakes. Furthermore, Mao's low scores at Worlds were repeatedly criticized by europort commentators live on the air, including ur calls on the triple axel, and in the exhibition one of the announcers said that the issue of Mao's underscoring should be addressed at the next meeting of the ISU. They also said that the value of the triple axel was too low.

 

[Cherryy]

Did Peggy quote Sandra Bezic? I always thought Sandra said that before Michelle did her ex program to "Fields of Gold."

Ohhh, it was Sandra. Sorry for the mistake, it was quite late here when I was typing this .

Btw. because of this thread I started rewatching many performances from the ladies' Olympics. I am even more convinced now that 2014 was truly special and the best ladies' olympics in my opinion . Also, still nothing came close to Michelle's 98 SP, so I guess 98 should be a honourable mention too.

 

[skaterr]

Gosh, I hate to disagree with Mathman, but the system, not Yuna, made being satisfied with sloppy jumps unsustainable. I seriously doubt that the perfection of Liza Tuk's triple lutz was inspired by anything other than the points, including the positive GOE's she was likely to garner from landing it. Likewise with the scoring revisions. It was a glitch in the system that allowed Yuna, with a fall and a popped axel, to place above Mao in the long program at 2010 Worlds. That is the likely reason why the value of GOE's was lowered.

Sponsors of ISU are mainly Japanese companies. Japanese federations are very active in supporting their skaters unlike Korean federations KSU. KSU are more interested in Speed skating. They are not happy about Yuna’s success. I think ISU would have happily changed scoring systems. Let's see what ISU would do about Hanyu. I seriously doubt they would make changes about scoring systems at least before olympics 2018.