Who will break Yuna Kim's record and when?

[jenaj]

Where were you all these years? Of course she did Biellman spins as recently as 2011: https://youtu.be/oACoz5ekzy8?t=134 I don't mind if you dislike her, just don't spread lies. :noshake:

And as for the Ina Bauer, you switch from "can't do" to "not the best example". There's a big difference between the two, and of course, Ina Bauers ARE NOT required to have layback positions, so again please stop with this nonsense.

I don't think it was necessary to accuse another poster of lying. It seemed like an honest mistake to me. Not everyone is a figure skating historian.

 

[NicoleH]

Excuse me. Her FS may be good, but it is not that good. Julia's Schindler's List captured everyone's imagination during the Olympic season and she played her character well. Medvedeva's may be as good in your opinion, but my god you need to re-evaluate things if you think that free program can touch Asada's legendary Sochi FS.

I never think Lipnitskaia's Schindler's List is that good. I can't tell what character she played except her red costume. And all her programs after Schindler program have been mediocre at best. I much prefer Evgenia's artistry, not just this year's program, but last year's "robotic arm" program too. Evgenia has a versatile style. She can skate to anything.

I don't think Asada's Sochi FS was legendary either. Like drivingmissdaisy said, Ito's 1991 Lalique/NHK LP to Rachmaninov was much better than Asada's interpretation.

 

[Krislite]

I don't think it was necessary to accuse another poster of lying. It seemed like an honest mistake to me. Not everyone is a figure skating historian.

It doesn't take a historian, only an honest fan of this sport. It behooves a poster to verify before claiming to be so certain X can't do Y, or when making any assertion for that matter. It's irresponsible and spreads misinformation to do otherwise.

 

[NicoleH]

From 2011 on, Yuna Kim cannot do biellman spins. Her ina bauers have low quality. She CANNOT do layback ina bauers. She cannot do proper 3f and 3lo either.

 

[kiara_bleu]

From 2011 on, Yuna Kim cannot do biellman spins. Her ina bauers have low quality. She CANNOT do layback ina bauers. She cannot do proper 3f and 3lo either.

And yet somehow she was able to win one gold and one silver World Championship medals and one silver Olympic medal. What scrubs Mao, Carolina, and Yulia must be to be beaten by such a low level skater (sarcasm alert). When Medvedeva has accomplished half of what Yuna Kim and Mao Asada has then we can start talking about where she places among the greats. I actually think that she has very good potential to match or even surpass them (maybe not Asada's history-making triple axels though).

 

[begin]

From 2011 on, Yuna Kim cannot do biellman spins. Her ina bauers have low quality. She CANNOT do layback ina bauers. She cannot do proper 3f and 3lo either.

I don't think it was necessary to accuse another poster of lying. It seemed like an honest mistake to me. Not everyone is a figure skating historian.

Said user is very adamant about her 'honest mistake'. Yuna's ina bauer has always been excellent (even after losing some flexibility). I can't believe someone's actually trying to knock her for it AND her 3F lol.

 

[NicoleH]

And yet somehow she was able to win one gold and one silver World Championship medals and one silver Olympic medal. What scrubs Mao, Carolina, and Yulia must be to be beaten by such a low level skater (sarcasm alert). When Medvedeva has accomplished half of what Yuna Kim and Mao Asada has then we can start talking about where she places among the greats. I actually think that she has very good potential to match or even surpass them (maybe not Asada's history-making triple axels though).

Evgenia is still young, but she will achieve something Kim, Asada etc. was unable to achieve: Evgenia will win gold at her first worlds with world record score. I still remember how Kim and Asada bombed at their first worlds. :disapp:

 

[penguin]

Evgenia is still young, but she will achieve something Kim, Asada etc. was unable to achieve: Evgenia will win gold at her first worlds with world record score. I still remember how Kim and Asada bombed at their first worlds. :disapp:

Are you trolling now? You mean when Yuna bombed so badly she won bronze? Your posting in this thread shows a curious lack of understanding of facts and history.

 

[gourry]

Evgenia is still young, but she will achieve something Kim, Asada etc. was unable to achieve: Evgenia will win gold at her first worlds with world record score. I still remember how Kim and Asada bombed at their first worlds. :disapp:

Yeah...... they bombed so badly that Yuna set new world record for SP and Mao set new world record for FP..... Yeah... I want that bomb.

 

[NicoleH]

Are you trolling now? You mean when Yuna bombed so badly she won bronze? Your posting in this thread shows a curious lack of understanding of facts and history.

Kim fell twice in her FP at her first worlds. You don't think falling twice is bombing? then what is bombing?

 

[randomfan]

Evgenia is still young, but she will achieve something Kim, Asada etc. was unable to achieve: Evgenia will win gold at her first worlds with world record score. I still remember how Kim and Asada bombed at their first worlds. :disapp:

Don't say your predictions will turn out to be true. Anything can happen at the ACTUAL competition. Evgenia may have a meltdown at Worlds, or she may have a great performance but get lower scores and thus not get a world record score. And also, if she does actually get a world record score, many viewers will find it unacceptable and probably have it cause multiple internet rants happening. Now that's what I would call an uncomfortable WR. Evgenia is a talented skater, but her level is just simply not WR level yet. And as penguin said, Yuna did not bomb her first Worlds. Neither did Mao actually.

Kim fell twice in her FP at her first worlds. You don't think falling twice is bombing? then what is bombing?

Yuna set a WR (at the time) in the SP and while she fell twice in the LP, her other elements were still good and she ended up having the 2nd highest PCS in the LP and won the bronze. Mao may have not had the best SP, but she won the LP by 6 points with a new WR too and in the end lost the gold by just 1 point. I consider bombing to be messing up on most of the elements, but that wasn't the case for Mao or Yuna...

And also, please stop saying that Yuna does not have a real 3F. You seemed to have ignored my comment earlier about how she had some problems with it until the 2009-2010 season when she managed to fix it. Her 3F is one of her best jumps and many people call it textbook quality.

 

[NicoleH]

Don't say your predictions will turn out to be true. Anything can happen at the ACTUAL competition. Evgenia may have a meltdown at Worlds, or she may have a great performance but get lower scores and thus not get a world record score. And also, if she does actually get a world record score, many viewers will find it unacceptable and probably have it cause multiple internet rants happening. Now that's what I would call an uncomfortable WR. Evgenia is a talented skater, but her level is just simply not WR level yet. And as penguin said, Yuna did not bomb her first Worlds. Neither did Mao actually.


Yuna set a WR (at the time) in the SP and while she fell twice in the LP, her other elements were still good and she ended up having the 2nd highest PCS in the LP and won the bronze. Mao may have not had the best SP, but she won the LP by 6 points and in the end lost the gold by just 1 point. I consider bombing to be messing up on most of the elements, but that wasn't the case for Mao or Yuna...

And also, please stop saying that Yuna does not have a real 3F. You seemed to have ignored my comment earlier about how she had some problems with it until the 2009-2010 season when she managed to fix it. Her 3F is one of her best jumps and many people call it textbook quality.

I always think Kim's 2010 Olympics FP was not WR level, and can't wait for someone to break that record score. If not Evgenia then somebody else, but I'm tired of showing non-fans Kim's skate and people stare at me like I'm crazy how can this low-quality skate be the WR skate? Evgenia's GPF skates have better reception than that for example, so I'll be happy if she will break Kim's record.

No, Kim never fixed her 3F. She still lips in 2013. Her 3F is as good as Asada's 3Lz.

 

[solani]

Kim fell twice in her FP at her first worlds. You don't think falling twice is bombing? then what is bombing?

Falling more than twice and not being able to keep the performance level up. And it's still do be seen how Evgenia will do at Worlds. She's very consistent, but you never know.
You obviously don't like Yuna whereas you're a huge fan of Evgenia. I don't have a problem with that, everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But there's no need to bring one skater down to elevate the other. And it doesn't help your purpose. Skating isn't all about flexibility, skaters are allowed to have their own style. I personally can do without biellman spins and layback ina bauers (although such elements can be a highlight if executed well), it's the skating skills and the overall impression that counts.

 

[NicoleH]

But there's no need to bring one skater down to elevate the other. And it doesn't help your purpose.

That's what the Kim fans are doing, bringing down Evgenia and other Russian skaters to elevate Kim. I wish they have read your post.

 

[solani]

That's what the Kim fans are doing, bringing down Evgenia and other Russian skaters to elevate Kim. I wish they have read your post.

That's no reason to do exactly the same. How old are you?

 

[randomfan]

I always think Kim's 2010 Olympics FP was not WR level, and can't wait for someone to break that record score. If not Evgenia then somebody else, but I'm tired of showing non-fans Kim's skate and people stare at me like I'm crazy how can this low-quality skate be the WR skate? Evgenia's GPF skates have better reception than that for example, so I'll be happy if she will break Kim's record.

No, Kim never fixed her 3F. She still lips in 2013. Her 3F is as good as Asada's 3Lz.

A WR should be for a skater who has done what may probably be one of the best performances ever. Maybe it may not be too appealing to a non-Yuna fan now, but at the time, it was the best performance ever and deserved the WR status. Many viewers of figure skating have still cherished that moment and most people agree that even to this day, while it can't really be a WR anymore due to the changes in the system, it is still one of the best performances ever, by one of the best skaters ever. Right now, as a newcomer to the senior field, Evgenia is not quite on that level yet, and in fact no one other than Mao is for this current field.

Also, I'm not one to be picky with words, but I have to mention that nobody who disagreed with you in this discussion has been insulting another skater. Like psusanne said, we all have our opinions and we don't have a right to try changing others' opinions. But please, just stop with the harsh comments, such as insulting Yuna's 3F and Mao's 3Lz (which is getting better now), Yuna being low-quality, saying a skater does not have a "real" XX, etc. As you can see, pretty much almost everyone else is at least avoiding mean words...

 

[NicoleH]

A WR should be for a skater who has done what may probably be one of the best performances ever. Maybe it may not be too appealing to a non-Yuna fan now, but at the time, it was the best performance ever and deserved the WR status. Many viewers of figure skating have still cherished that moment and most people agree that even to this day, while it can't really be a WR anymore due to the changes in the system, it is still one of the best performances ever, by one of the best skaters ever.

Are you sure? I checked 2010 Olympics threads on this forum and other forums. There were many people who think Kim was overscored in 2010.

Also, I'm not one to be picky with words, but I have to mention that nobody who disagreed with you in this discussion has been insulting another skater. Like psusanne said, we all have our opinions and we don't have a right to try changing others' opinions. But please, just stop with the harsh comments, such as insulting Yuna's 3F and Mao's 3Lz (which is getting better now), Yuna being low-quality, saying a skater does not have a "real" XX, etc. As you can see, pretty much almost everyone else is at least avoiding mean words...

Kim lips and Asada flutzes. That's fact. Why is that mean? People also say Evgenia flutzes, and I didn't think they're mean. When did I say "Yuna being low-quality"? Non-fans who watch Kim's 2010 WR skate and told me it's low-quality skate did not deserve WR. They think I'm crazy, so they're more mean to me huh? Check the poster OS. She always uses mean words against Russian skaters. What you said about Evgenia is also mean.

Evgenia may have a meltdown at Worlds, or she may have a great performance but get lower scores and thus not get a world record score. And also, if she does actually get a world record score, many viewers will find it unacceptable and probably have it cause multiple internet rants happening. Now that's what I would call an uncomfortable WR. Evgenia is a talented skater, but her level is just simply not WR level yet.

You cursed Evgenia to have a meltdown, but I'm telling you she will not have a meltdown like Kim had at her first worlds. And indeed, many viewers find Kim's WR skate unacceptable, so Kim's WR is indeed an uncomfortable WR.

 

[jenm]

I personally think the only skate that came close and maybe should have broken the WR was Yuna's Les Mis. That skate was magical. Right now, I don't see anyone deserving to come close to Yuna's Gerswhin or Les Mis or Mao's Rach. At least not yet. But I fear Evgenia might do it at Worlds if she goes perfectly clean (and the others have unclean skates) given how the trend of out of this world PCS is making everyone a WR contender nowadays.

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Also, it's okay to have a different opinion or to have a different taste but it's not okay to spread lies (Yuna can't do Ina buaer, etc.) Yuna does that move in her sleep as a TRANSITION to 2A, 2A+3T, or 2A+2T-2Lo.

 

[skaterr]

I hope somebody break Yuna record soon and let her alone. Yuna fans do not love her for that. Some people just can't stand her WR LoL. Have that WR thing or whatever. She was from the weak federation and she fought hard for that reason. She became a legend anyways.:luv17:

 

[begin]

Are you sure? I checked 2010 Olympics threads on this forum and other forums. There were many people who think Kim was overscored in 2010.

Overscored but still a WR performance at the time. I doubt anyone can argue that.

Kim lips and Asada flutzes. That's fact. Why is that mean? People also say Evgenia flutzes, and I didn't think they're mean. When did I say "Yuna being low-quality"? Non-fans who watch Kim's 2010 WR skate and told me it's low-quality skate did not deserve WR. They think I'm crazy, so they're more mean to me huh? Check the poster OS. She always uses mean words against Russian skaters. What you said about Evgenia is also mean.

I think your english reading comprehension has failed you if you think anyone has used 'mean words' against Russian skaters. People take issue with the judging and the direction of the sport. Forgive us if, in the process of explaining this, we have to point out Medvedeva's scores and flaws. That doesn't make us hateful. Everyone acknowledges her talent and potential.

You cursed Evgenia to have a meltdown, but I'm telling you she will not have a meltdown like Kim had at her first worlds. And indeed, many viewers find Kim's WR skate unacceptable, so Kim's WR is indeed an uncomfortable WR.

Your selective reading is astounding. I think we understand your agenda well enough to see why.