Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season

[Nontama0817]

Brian said in the past interveiw( it might be in his book), he himself was exactly like Yuzu when he was athelete. Highly driven, loved skating, very competitive. Javi is opposite. He said he knew exactly how Yuzu felt when he won the first National with rough performance and being bashed and how he felt when he lost even though he had worked harder than anyone else. Yuzu knows that too, so he defended Brian when there were big backlash against Brian after COC crash. When Brian said Yuzu is still a mystery to him, I don't think he meant to say that he doesn't understand his mentality when it comes to skating.
Besides, there is no place else better for him to go. Definately not in Japan.
For this Championship, Yuzu was documented closely into his everyday training with several TV crew for the first time. They closely document athelete for normally about a month. It will be aired in April 10. We will see how he was when it will be aired. But this kind of abnormal situation might have added up to his stress.
They said they had been negotiating with him for a long time and finally he accepted it . Maybe if he has to do it, it would be the last year he could afford.

Well he has to deal with mass medeia hysteria pre-olympic and during Olympic. Brian knows more than anybody else how to deal with it because he went through that for himself and also for Yuna.

 

[Meoima]

Seriously, I was much more worried for Yuzuru last year than now. He's fully supported by his coaches and teammates, he can train in a happy and safe environment where his ambitions are worked with and not squashed, etc etc.
I don't get at all this negative and anxious feelings some people in this thread are having. Oo

As for me, I am much more worried for him this year than last year. Because there seems to be a major mental issue that he hasn't figured out how to deal with it.
Yuzuru's mental issue is that he loses his control when he thinks he must win too much. Look at all the time he messed up his free skate after leading the short. Olympic, last season, and this season. It's already a psychological pattern of his. That he "wants too much" and "lose the balance". And he tends to be like that in the biggest competitions. I understand it's the pressure getting at him. But it's getting more serious after each season. And this time it's just too much. He lost to himself completely in the free skate. This is the worst I have seen from him over the years. Other times even when he had meltdown he at least showed that he still wanted to fight, this time? He was totally lost.
So to me, the mental issue is actually getting more serious. I don't want to blame Brian, I think he has done the best he can but Yuzuru needs more than that. I mean, like... Get this kid a sport psychologist!!!

 

[PatricksGaze]

Keep in mind that Japanese usually try to hind their anxiety, their discomfort, they don't think its polite to make others worry about them. So, Yuzury definitely tries hard to put on a smile..

Please look at this sunny young man out here. He's smiling a genuine smile today Is't it a good sign?
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[PatricksGaze]

As for me, I am much more worried for him this year than last year. Because there seems to be a major mental issue that he hasn't figured out how to deal with it.
Yuzuru's mental issue is that he loses his control when he thinks he must win too much. Look at all the time he messed up his free skate after leading the short. Olympic, last season, and this season. It's already a psychological pattern of his. That he "wants too much" and "lose the balance". And he tends to be like that in the biggest competitions. I understand it's the pressure getting at him. But it's getting more serious after each season. And this time it's just too much. He lost to himself completely in the free skate. This is the worst I have seen from him over the years. Other times even when he had meltdown he at least showed that he still wanted to fight, this time? He was totally lost.
So to me, the mental issue is actually getting more serious. I don't want to blame Brian, I think he has done the best he can but Yuzuru needs more than that. I mean, like... Get this kid a sport psychologist!!!

http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?35500-Yuzuru-Hanyu&p=943449&viewfull=1#post943449
Psychiatrist is supposed to support Yuzuru already.

 

[liv]

Brian is hardly going to tell everyone exactly what happened or what he said to his skaters. He knows it will be dissected by the press and public, just as we see in this thread. He only said things we already know, like yuzu being more emotional. That is no secret.

I was brave and watched the program again a couple of times and it wasn't that bad. Compared to nhk/gpf it wasnt good, but compared to others on the night, other than javi, it was still ok. I think feeling and seeing his disappointment made it worse for us as viewers. It seems we now really do expect him to compete against himself and that is not fair. He is human, we should not expect perfection. I don't expect it from myself or my friends, so I wont expect it from him.

 

[melmel]

As for me, I am much more worried for him this year than last year. Because there seems to be a major mental issue that he hasn't figured out how to deal with it.
Yuzuru's mental issue is that he loses his control when he thinks he must win too much. Look at all the time he messed up his free skate after leading the short. Olympic, last season, and this season. It's already a psychological pattern of his. That he "wants too much" and "lose the balance". And he tends to be like that in the biggest competitions. I understand it's the pressure getting at him. But it's getting more serious after each season. And this time it's just too much. He lost to himself completely in the free skate. This is the worst I have seen from him over the years. Other times even when he had meltdown he at least showed that he still wanted to fight, this time? He was totally lost.
So to me, the mental issue is actually getting more serious. I don't want to blame Brian, I think he has done the best he can but Yuzuru needs more than that. I mean, like... Get this kid a sport psychologist!!!

I don't think Yuzu will change overnight his strong mindset of "I WANT TO WIN" that he says he has since he actually started to skate when he was a child. It's always going to be a part of him. The fact that he didn't started to self-bash himself or cry uncontrollably, blaming himself and saying everywhere that he only feels "regrets" this time compared to last season is a sign to me that he actually growed on this side and that he's starting to make steps to overcome the down sides of his ambition.

I'm sorry but I will take a Yuzu who is capable to openly express his frustration in a consciously silly way because that's how comfortable he feels around Javier and Brian in the green zone, without fighting tears and not saying a single time in the press conference "kuyashii desu" and actually saying that despite his mistakes in his free program HE IS STILL VERY HAPPY WITH HIS GREAT SHORT PROGRAM as a sign that he is ok, he's on the right path to reign in the pressure he put on himself. It takes time, it takes steps. That Yuzu managed to not handwave his great short program as a silly and unimportant detail to focus and feel frustrated only on his mistake is very positive to me.

So no, there's no reason to be worried. And getting a "mental method" (or a sport psychologist) is exactly what he said in an interview where he was asked what he thinks should help him fix the mistakes. So there you have it. No need to worry, the boy knows how to take care of his needs.

 

[Meoima]

http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?35500-Yuzuru-Hanyu&p=943449&viewfull=1#post943449
Psychiatrist is supposed to support Yuzuru already.

And it doesn't work. I mean, the issue repeat and remains. And this time it's the worst ever I have seen from him.

 

[Meoima]

Please look at this sunny young man out here. He's smiling a genuine smile today Is't it a good sign?
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As for me it's sad smile.

 

[PatricksGaze]

And it doesn't work. I mean, the issue repeat and remains. And this time it's the worst ever I have seen from him.

Maybe we can help him then? Should we make the Golden Skate team and go for it?

 

[skatefan22]

Did Brian say that he realized that Yuzu was a bit off before SP, but he has to take care of two athletes and he was NOT able to deal with Yuzu's mental in time?

http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2016040200171&g=spo

Sorry, I just forgot to type NOT in my last sentence...

 

[xibsuarz]

Ok then since Brian is such a bad coach and sharing him is not working, someone could write Yuzuru and tell him he should change :sarcasm: but I want to know which top coach doesn't have at least one other senior skater as well so he/she could completely focus on Yuzu.

No one but Yuzuru himself can say if he's comfortable at the TCC Or not. Yuzuru is a very honest, strong person, and if there was anything concerned to his skating, his passion, that he feels is not working, he would definitely say so.

 

[Nontama0817]

Please look at this sunny young man out here. He's smiling a genuine smile today Is't it a good sign?
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Yuzu needs Javi

 

[skatefan22]

did he have to compare him with Javier? do you think that's wise?

"He was angry, and I don't see him angry that often," Orser said. "I told him, 'You just need to breathe. You need to let it go. We have to move on.' He's too good to let that kind of stuff bother him."

so far so good and then:

Orser noted his other student, defending world champion Javier Fernández, had a similar problem in the same practice session with a skater other than Ten. The easygoing Spaniard shrugged it off.
"Javi is just less emotional than Yuzu," he said.

i mean, if Yuzury is very sentimental,and he was very angry at that moment, that's not the way to give him comfort, i think..

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/03/31/169878518

I don't like that Brian brought up the Javier story. It is like he is implying javier handled the situation better while omitting the fact that javier hasn't been interrupted by the same person three times.

 

[msteach3]

I think the only reconsideration Yuzu might do is to not stay away from Toronto as long as he did between Nationals and Worlds this season to prepare the next one. And even that is only pure speculation from me based on pretty much nothing.
Yuzu had a step back in his consistency, and would have Javi faltered too, Yuzu would have win and that's it. Why would he change coaches, teammates and environment so close to the Olympics when it's those coaches, teammates and environment that helped him develop into being able to become much more consistent ?

Exactly. I was very worried about this when I heard he hadn't made it back to Toronto until the end of February. A month to prepare and work with Brian does not seem like enough.

 

[melmel]

i don't understand how that's protecting their private lives

In not giving details about their day to day and personal behaviours that could be inflated in the media or by fans like "sometimes Yuzu likes to put his fingers behind people's head during a picture" and people turning it into" YUZURU HANYU IS SO DISRESPECTFUL TO EVERYONE HE CAN'T TAKE PICTURE WITHOUT MAKING THEM LOOK WORSE THAN HIM!"

It's protecting them by not letting the media take the control of their lives and relationships to eachothers. Brian is not going to lay out on the media his routines and schedules in which he handles all his skaters. He's going to make his skaters' mental state come first instead of firing up rumors and speculation in the media like for example Caroll did. His priority was to help Yuzuru to regain his calm, not to wipe crap brought up by someone else.

 

[melmel]

Please look at this sunny young man out here. He's smiling a genuine smile today Is't it a good sign?
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Clearly he looks absolutely devastated and ready to break into tears at any moment and to lay down on the ground in a fetal position for at least a week !

Seriously, they are adorable together and I'm so happy that they are both seeming to enjoy their medals this year.

 

[Meoima]

Ok then since Brian is such a bad coach and sharing him is not working, someone could write Yuzuru and tell him he should change :sarcasm: but I want to know which top coach doesn't have at least one other senior skater as well so he/she could completely focus on Yuzu.
No one but Yuzuru himself can say if he's comfortable at the TCC Or not. Yuzuru is a very honest, strong person, and if there was anything concerned to his skating, his passion, that he feels is not working, he would definitely say so.

Just saying his mental issue keep repeating and it's getting bigger as the pressure is on. So there must be some way to deal with it. The root of the issue is to control his too strong emotions and yet he lost it, this time too big.

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It's so painful to read this. I mean even his coach didn't notice what's off with his mind at that moment. Brian knew Yuzuru was off but he didn't know why.
I'm not recommending coach changing or something. But the root of the issue is that it has been there in his mind for too long yet there has been no treatment. Look at all the time he bombed: SA 2012, Sochi, Shanghai and now Boston.
It's the demon inside him getting stronger each time it's out.
So Yuzuru must find a way to deal with this. If this means he needs some special psychologist or a new environment then they should do it.

 

[melmel]

lol clearly Yuzuru is enjoyng the second place

Well were you here last year where he was so devastated Javier had to help him dry his tears and we had a never ending string of "I have regrets/kuyashi kuyashi" ?

Yuzu said in the press conference that he's happy he did a good short program even if his free program wasn't that good. It's the very first time EVER he doesn't self-whip himself and handwaves away his accomplishment to focus on his mistakes. I call that an improvement.

 

[Lindacrow]

Well, This championships weren't very good for Japan in singles. Yuzu was the only medalist, and I'm still sad that after 10 years a Japanese lady was not on the podium but oh well. They will kick butt next year! Does anyone know what and when he will be skating in the gala?

 

[Athena13]

Long time lurker here! eace:

I just wanted to post that there's too much overreaction (I'm sorry it's a bit too much) to Yuzuru's silver medal due to the demands today it's crazy to get another medal, it even took the Yuna several years to get a second medal and she only skated six times super clean in her entire career. Legends rise and fall and then rise again. Given how many times Yuzuru skated his short and long clean I think were in for a real treat next season, bad skates happen but we mustn't forget the good skates that did happen under pressure. I bet we'll all laugh at this when Yuzuru slays next season and wins his second olympic medal in 2018. Bet on it. For now let's just relax and remember that Yuzuru did skate clean for the first time at worlds which is progress. :agree: