Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[giulia95]

I mentioned the post #41508 by Katie J , 09-08-2016 , I'm sorry I'm not able to quote it.

 

[Danibellerika]

If Yuzu just focuses on what he can do, the results he wants will come. Worrying about what X, Y, and Z are doing is not necessary when you know you can do well when you execute. And considering his injuries and that he was out for a considerable amount of time, he is not going to look exactly the same as others who haven't had that down time. He will get there on his own time and there's no use dwelling on it. That's all I got out of it.

 

[Yatagarasu]

I don't like Orser or their current association so I won't get into that talk.

(Btw rough translation: he was rather exhausted during the performance, but next time he will perform cleanly, he really wants to, he will practice hard in order to achieve this. Otherwise, otherwise... he is not Yuzuru Hanyu.)

Ah but this. I couldn't love him more for this, even though yes, it's such a difficult burden to carry. See, if he were different would he be the Yuzuru Hanyu the world knows? I consider him a genius and people like him wouldn't be who they are if they didn't have this particular way of looking at themselves. Recently I was reading something about another sport and a very curious sentence jumped out to me, making me think instantly of Yuzuru.

To paraphrase as it's a translation, to a genius, the road to perfection is the longest road (compared to other people). And I think this is probably one of the truest things I've read. People like that ask so much of themselves that it takes the longest time to be satisfied and they often never are. This is what makes them innovators and movers of their fields, even if it is incredibly difficult for them personally quite often. They push further, faster, harder than anyone else.

I have no problems whatsoever with Yuzuru's choices and the road he chooses to take. People like this are the ones who bring breakthroughs and remain long remembered in history, not those who played it safe. Now, I will say that I hold to the same opinion I had after the World's. Yuzuru only needs to settle his head prior to a skate (and this is the part why above the quote text was needed, and which I skip), and I am sure that he can deliver everything he wants to. I don't think he needs to pay the price of medals, even with this more risky road. He has the ability, that's the one thing that I have never doubted.

 

[Biellmann]

I marvel everytime how much one can read into casual words said by somebody during an interview, if one wants to see what they want to see.

My personal take is that Brian's being cautious and careful about any promises concerning Yuzuru, that's it - and that he'd prefer Yuzu to stick to a more cautious plan. Yuzuru's got enough in his arsenal to win, that's true, but neither of them can predict the future - whether the others will catch up and make them do more difficult stuff, whether Yuzu's health and body is going to be able to cope with everything. So far their goal is to cope with complexities of these two programs.

It's more than just casual words. It's there, for a long time now in every interview. It's always Javi here, Javi there, he said so many times that Javier reminds him of himself- psychology is doing everything else, maybe he doesn't even realize it. I already said i don't trust him at all, for good reason. And my instinct never fails me :disapp:

 

[mcq]

I just watch his post-FS interview. He said Kuyashii word so many times that at one point where he said it again I just laughed instead because that is just so Yuzuru of him.

Anyway anyone have the translation to that part?

 

[Katie J]

I don't agree. Orser is a professional, so he only gives professional advices that he believes in. He thinks skating with a stable style and layout will help you improve your consistency, it is true.
His strategy worked with Yuna before, and it works with Javi, so of course he has reason to believe in his strategy. It is logical. It's a great way to gain reputation and acknowledgement.

However, I'd say it is NOT the mindset of a pioneer and adventurer. Yuzuru is very different, he takes risks even during Olympic season, had he ditched the 4S he might have been more consistent for Sochi. But it is not Yuzuru at all. Yuzuru is a pioneer and an adventurer he isn't afraid of taking risks. It is admirable however he needs to think more for his health. If there is no health, there is less chance in the future. So Yuzuru still needs to listen to his coaching team regard of the issue about health and stability.

I agree. Orser is afraid Hanyu could loose because of his pioneer spirit. He wants Hanyu to be more cautious. Why Orser mentions this in public in this interwiew?
Hanyu has his own will ( see the SP costume Orser didnt see before). What I recall: Hanyu learned jumps himself and showed them to his coaches then...no current German competitive figure skater would dare to do that as far as I know, all hang on the lips of their coaches and hardly dare to train without a coach. When a pupil is such kind of independent from his coach like Hanyu, also his coach will bring some remarks not really in favour of his pupil when things go not the desired way. Normal human reaction: Orser wants to defend himself .
And when Hanyu will do another world record ( I promise there will be one this season) Orser just will smile as a proud honey-cake-horse and sun himself in the success of his pupil. Normal human reaction: Now he has done everything in the right way. I know figure skating coaches when all goes smooth: Proud like hell.

I am still not shure: No exhibition today CAC ?

 

[Biellmann]

I mentioned the post #41508 by Katie J , 09-08-2016 , I'm sorry I'm not able to quote it.

I was just wondering why they're doing this to Yuzuru

 

[Eloyse]

I would say Orser just want Fernandez to win the big prize :disapp:

I wouldn't say that.
For the sake of argument, even if Orser wants Fernandez to beat Yuzuru, surely he wants Yuzuru to beat all others because he can benefit in many ways from Yuzuru's success. I would say he wants his students to lock Pyeongchang's gold and silver, therefore he wants to give Yuzuru the best advice and help, but Yuzuru is stubborn so he won't listen to Orser.
I don't really care about these so called strategies very much, because looking at the past champions, there were conservative Oly champions (Lysacek) and risk takers (Yuzuru). In the end it is what happens on that day that matters. In other words I believe Yuzuru's fate is in God's hand. He can't really develop a must-win strategy.

 

[Fayruza]

It's more than just casual words. It's there, for a long time now in every interview. It's always Javi here, Javi there, he said so many times that Javier reminds him of himself- psychology is doing everything else, maybe he doesn't even realize it. I already said i don't trust him at all, for good reason. And my instinct never fails me :disapp:

You're free to distrust him to your heart's content, but Yuzuru chooses to trust him - so can you respect Yuzuru's choice? Or do you treat him as a JSF puppet as some people here prefer to?

And sorry, I can't take people who say their something never fails them seriously. Everyone's wrong at one point or other.
And if you had enough to count how many times Brian mentions Javi or Yuzu, you certainly do have a lot of time on your hands.

 

[liv]

Brian just wants Yuzu to not worry about what the other guys are doing. ie. when he was at home resting while watching Shoma land a 4F you know Yuzu was itching to get out there, and worried about not being on the ice... you know it, even if he says otherwise. He is looking long term. What I think Orser is saying is that he can't worry about the quads of the other guys, but focus on the other marks, ie. transitions into the jumps, components etc.. that Yuzu was getting rewarded for that the other guys don't have and won't acquire in a year. He has a 3rd quad now, and the best 3A, so focus on those, and then work on making the whole package around those better, rather than just adding another quad which brings even more risk.

 

[JuliettaG]

Talking about coach... I noticed that Ghisland Briand was at the practices with Brian watching Yuzuru and even he advised him. He was watching Yuzuru's performance too. Maybe is he his second coach now?

 

[mcq]

Look, I am just going to post this once and stop talking about this ever again. But can we cut these whole Orser talk. It is getting REALLY ANNOYING. If you don't like him and don't trust him then fine. But your opinion doesn't mean that it is a fact and it is distasteful to make a judgment of someone's character just based on parts of interview that was paraphrased by journalists, because I think some of you are accusing and attacking his professionalism as a coach there and this is not a light matter. Orser said some unpleasant thing about his other student like Javier too; he called him lazy and unmotivated in many of his past interviews as well as mentioning how he get angry at him for that; or he said yuna doesn't have passion for skating. I don't always agree with Orser and I have a lot of differing opinions about him. But seems like some of you just took every little thing he said to fit your narrative that he is trying to sabotage Yuzuru. Just make a new thread about how you dislike him at The Edge or something and for heaven's sake can we stop talking about the same thing over and over when there are more fun things to talk about like Yuzuru's program or Yuzuru's costume.

 

[Fayruza]

Brian just wants Yuzu to not worry about what the other guys are doing. ie. when he was at home resting while watching Shoma land a 4F you know Yuzu was itching to get out there, and worried about not being on the ice... you know it, even if he says otherwise. He is looking long term. What I think Orser is saying is that he can't worry about the quads of the other guys, but focus on the other marks, ie. transitions into the jumps, components etc.. that Yuzu was getting rewarded for that the other guys don't have and won't acquire in a year. He has a 3rd quad now, and the best 3A, so focus on those, and then work on making the whole package around those better, rather than just adding another quad which brings even more risk.

I agree! Brian has a point, but will Yuzu listen?

 

[Danibellerika]

Thank you, mcq. The conspiracy theories are nerve-wracking and turn me off from wanting to look on here. There are more constructive things to talk about. Yuzu seems to have quite a bit of autonomy and his team will do what they feel is best for Yuzu. At the end of the day, no one here knows more about the situation than them.

 

[unico]

I am still not shure: No exhibition today CAC ?

I don't think so, it wasn't on the schedule. All events concluded on Saturday local time.

 

[SuzyQ]

Fuji TV finally aired the interview.

I hope someone will upload the video soon. Just what I remember.

To the question of Marin Honda, junior world champion 2016, "Any routine in order to overcome your pressures?"

Yuzuru: A routine sometimes works, sometimes does not. Make your pressures your friend. (Yuzuru said before "A Pressure is a pleasure/kick.")
I may be a masochist (laughs)

To his juniors:

"Your efforts lie to you, but never be a waste."

"Your efforts cannot make you win every time, but you can learn from there."

I'm going to bed now So hard weekend with so many competitions to see. Exhausted but happy :yay:

 

[Lambari]

Brian just wants Yuzu to not worry about what the other guys are doing. ie. when he was at home resting while watching Shoma land a 4F you know Yuzu was itching to get out there, and worried about not being on the ice... you know it, even if he says otherwise. He is looking long term. What I think Orser is saying is that he can't worry about the quads of the other guys, but focus on the other marks, ie. transitions into the jumps, components etc.. that Yuzu was getting rewarded for that the other guys don't have and won't acquire in a year. He has a 3rd quad now, and the best 3A, so focus on those, and then work on making the whole package around those better, rather than just adding another quad which brings even more risk.

First sequence, true for any skater. Second sentence, this is the standard do-what-you-do-best approach, that has worked for several skaters especially well established ones; quite a predictable and quite reasonable for a coach to say but we know Yuzuru doesn't go for conventional.

 

[mcq]

Fuji TV finally aired the interview.

I hope someone will upload the video soon. Just what I remember.

To the question of Marin Honda, junior world champion 2016, "Any routine in order to overcome your pressures?"

Yuzuru: A routine sometimes works, sometimes does not. Make your pressures your friend. (Yuzuru said before "A Pressure is a pleasure/kick.")
I may be a masochist (laughs)

To his juniors:

"Your efforts lie to you, but never be a waste."

"Your efforts cannot make you win every time, but you can learn from there."

I'm going to bed now So hard weekend with so many competitions to see. Exhausted but happy :yay:

Yuzuru and Marin! Is there a segment of skaters sending question to him? This sounds interesting.

 

[Eloyse]

On the other hand, I do think Orser should just stop comparing his students. I know he means well, but some of his comparisons really hurt people. For example he said that Yuna Kim was selfish but Yuzuru was generous, because Yuna didn't want to share couch with others but Yuzuru doesn't mind (I don't remember the exact wording but this is the basic idea). You know these kinds of comparisons are really unnecessary

Re Orser's strategy, yes I think this strategy makes sense. I believe Yuzuru will feel better if he takes Orser's advice to not pay attention to other quad jumpers, but Yuzuru just won't listen

 

[Fayruza]

I'm quite happy with what Jackie Wong had to say about Yuzu's free.
https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/782396200494465024