Really appreciate your coming across to comment and share your perspective on this...:agree:
I really feel the impact of those thumbs up too......
And it becomes very hard not to either react / feed the troll or walk away altogether when the troll is rewarded by so many posters...
Lastly, I'd like to note that Canadians can be hesitant to react to comments about Canadian skaters that are not neutral or substantiated because many of us expect the response "You Canadians are soooo nationalistic"....
That´s my problem as well,
to see that a rude comment is upvoted by so many, hurts, as it makes you feel not welcome and that others support those words, why else would they click vote up? It´s not the fault of the vote system, I actually think it´s helpful to see if your post was well received, as example when someone analyzes a competition or says something nice to a skater, it´s good to know that it´s appreciated, it´s the users fault, that blindly clicks vote up, without caring that he or she supports a toxic comment.
The thread here, calls Evgenia a cheater and has 21 up votes, so sad how people can be like that, luckily the post that supports her has more, at least something. :thumbsup:
To all: Please use the report feature to call the moderators' attention to posts that violate the Golden State guidelines, posted at the top of each page.. (Click on, um, Guidelines.
) The competition threads explode up to 100 pages so fast that we cannot keep up with them on our own.
Come back, come back! It is just an ugly rumor that GS is unfriendly to Canadians. We love Patrick Chan, Virtue and Moir, Duhamel and Radford, Kaetlyn Osmond. We love Gilles & Poitier and Kevin Reynolds. Chartrand! Daleman! Weaver and Poje! :yes:
I appreciate the hard work and I hope you did not get offended as it´s not the fault of the mods when users are rude
The thing is, to go through a thread where you want to celebrate a great ladies comp (only Kaety had a fall), many clean programs and strong performances, - and all you see is yet another Anti Medvedeva program, anti her body type - jumping technique... where everyone seems to agree about her being bad and rude... it´s just not nice and yes, I could certainly report every single post, but it completely ruins my positive vibes then, as I still need to read it, therefore I just leave these threads to not be infected with that negativity
I actually reported one, but it was so much I couldn´t take more of that
and yes, the up votes were very sad, people supported these comments about her, just like with that silly petition once against Adelina.
Something else is, that not everyone see´s FS as a "perfect sport", I watch it to see skaters overcome challenges and analyze their presentation but also to enjoy their programs, for me it doesn´t matter who wins, but others have a different approach to this, they really look for each single mistake so that they find a reason why their own skater didn´t win and that´s a conflict. It´s nobodys fault, it´s just how it is. It´s like watching a movie and the guy next to you, tells you all the time, how the camera men didn´t have the right angle and that his friend who did not get the job, is so much better.
When someone want´s to make a separate thread like here, then I find this better, as we who come for the entertainment and positive vibes, can enjoy that in the competition threads, while the experts of jumps can talk here, but then please all skaters and not just one. That´s also what I meant with "witch hunt". The other thread was full of anti Medvedeva, nobody even talked about the comp or other athletes, it was all against one and same with the thread here. It´s a bit like in school, one kid is singled out and bullied, that´s not fair.
I support Rika a lot, she is a great entertainer, last season she had one of the best FS´s, but I also see things where she is not that good. It´s not worth a thread though, in my opinion, but each skater could have threads like these here and yet it´s always about specific ones.
I won´t deny the knowledge these people have, maybe they are coaches or judges themselves, if so then they are qualified to make these topics, but I have a bit of a problem if a random fan, believes to know more than judges and panel, people who had to go through a hard process before being selected for that job. The scoring system is not perfect, especially from the point of presentation marks, who are very subjective and way too often influenced by the amount of difficult jumps. In my opinion, its not wrong to give a skater with good technique but poor presentation a score that reflects this.
That being said, judges are just like we are, individual characters and GOE are very subjective too, like with the term "creative", what is creative? Is it creative if a skater goes long on one blade, while touching his nose, before the Lutz or if someone adds a Mohawk and sings Dido on the way? Hands down are -1 or -2, two footed are -2 as well I believe, so that´s a criteria to hold on to, but even that can be hard to see without super slowmotions.
I also have to admit that if we talk about UR´s, that it´s really hard to see at times - skaters know how to disguise it. At home, people have hours to make super slow motions, to watch each angle ..., judges don´t have that, I am not even sure if the technical panel has access to that. Judges can only click on the elements on their screen to review them, but it´s real time not slowed down or anything and they face immense pressure, as there is a schedule to keep and it´s unfair to let the next skater wait long, so they need to hurry and there is a lot to process in a short time for them.
Honestly, I have a problem with too critical views - it´s not an easy job and quite often people at home, make it look like they know it all better and if so, then why don´t they sit on the chairs at the ice rink? I can assure you, even if you sit there, it´s very hard and not all judges have the perfect view either, there are many reasons why results can be as they are, it´s not judges who cheat or Putin and what not, it´s just a human procedure. I sit at Oberstdorf each year, not judging ofc. but I have the same view as judges, it´s really not easy if landings are very far right or left (I sit middle) and why I tend to refuse to give feedback about jumps without protocols or scores that we can get sometimes (there is a monitor, where each elements score is given to us). That being said, having never done those jumps, makes me a lousy analyst anyways
I admire people who see a jump and instantly know all about it, my brain works slower there and maybe it´s good that it does, as in music I listen to something and instantly see all the flaws in production, it´s not nice, especially if you listen to older records and now see how bad those actually are. I notice similar with writing and I am sure Mrs. P has a similar situation and might even read my stuff and goes :noshake:
So ya to summarize,
being positive is good, to analyze is not wrong, but it should not be about one person alone and it should especially not be rude. Working with kids taught me one thing, words have a very strong impact on them and especially with young athletes, the words should be chosen more careful. I know it´s hard for Americans, free speech and so - but ya
But nobody else is even allowed to challenge her? She doesn't get called for her faults, while other skaters like Asada and Hongo constantly receive phantom tech calls and big GOE deductions for no good reason.
Rika Hongo's 3Lutz at Skate Canada being called as both "e" and underrotated, and then receiving full downgrades on two other jumps, is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen. Hongo's opening 3F+3T that received a << call and -2 GOE was more rotated and jumped bigger than than Medvedeva's 3S+3T that received no call at all and got +GOE. It is UNFAIR and WRONG.
Each skater has faults, even World Champions, but I never see threads about Javier, Hanyu and so on. It can´t be that only Russians make mistakes, honestly at Worlds last year, I felt that several results did not meet my own judgment, I also noted how I felt that Anna should had won the SP, even though I love Gracie or how Rika should have been before Mao at Cup of China and so on.
So yes, I understand if you feel something could be different and I am sure you are qualified to analyze programs, but you also need to understand that it can look like, that this forum is only there to blame skaters, as many threads are full of complaints of scores, jump technique, music choice, outfit choice ...
No offence to anyone, just my thoughts!
Thank you.
