Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Biellmann]

Perhaps the judges scores him based on what they know he can do. So instead of scoring the elements and its goe, as they should, they let get influenced by what he can do. They expect more from him than others so he has to work more for his scores. It is not fair, and it shouldn't be like that. But that's life.

The judges doesn't seem to be that hard on Fernandez, the "2 time wc"

 

[HanDomi]

The judges doesn't seem to be that hard on Fernandez, the "2 time wc"

This is not thread for bashing Fernandez, you can go to the edge and discuss this there.


:disapp:

 

[seimei]

So after yesterday men fs I went to rewatch Hanyu SC fs, and while he is still not at his top shape the diffrence in power and ss quality for me is still huge in his favour, it's unbelievable he got so much lower pcs and goes than some of programs that yesterday got 87-93

I thought after SC that ok, he is not yet up to his top speed, but he still looks tons faster than any program from yesterday

I watch his sc programs everyday(esp, both stsq) and think many things about recent pcs tendency, other's opinion(who said 44, 88 pcs is right or overmarked). goe was definetily undermarked, though. speed is not bothering me and I think he kept balance well.

hope& legacy is very different from seimei and as bourne said something like wind or water program. so smooth and lyical.( personally, I think yuzu as a forest fairy hehe) not so dramatic or charismatic piece.
some said programs felt bit empty. maybe this was due to lack of point choreo or preparation time for his 3,4 quad. (I can'see big difference between H&L and seimei in aspect of prepartion time for quad combo, though)I think Orser, yuzu know much better than anyone and will feedback.
I still enjoy SC H&L a lot, beautiful flow and warm thema.but this might not be judge's preference seperated from tes/excuton..I think. But I can't imagine this kind of music to other top male skaters other than yuzu. and this makes him so special and unique.

Definietly, season goes, pcs will rise. but these days consistency and excution are the key of pcs.rising and landing multiple quads cleanly...except for chan, jason. Anyway, I'm not judge and don't care scores as much as others and yuzu(sorry:/), unless his wr will be broken this season. haha

 

[DiamondDust]

Perhaps the judges scores him based on what they know he can do. So instead of scoring the elements and its goe, as they should, they let get influenced by what he can do. They expect more from him than others so he has to work more for his scores. It is not fair, and it shouldn't be like that. But that's life.

It's really unfair that Yuzuru is held to a standard different from other skaters. This can be good -- if he pulls off he'll be greatly rewarded, while it can also be not good -- if he messes up even lightly he'll be underscored, even criticized by overcritical FS fans. However, we all know that Yuzuru is capable of pulling off extra difficult programs and I hope once he performs his programs this season at a high level and then at it's best, he'll be reaping scores he deserves.

 

[JuliettaG]

The Italian comentators were talking about Yuzuru during Nathan's SP in this Gp https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x...ons-yuzu-at-the-end-of-nathan-chen-s-sp_sport
I don't understand the whole conversation, but I think they say they hope that Yuzu isn't watching Nathan's program at that moment, because they don't know what consequences would beThey mention Orser too. They talk about Yuzuru's 4lz but I didn't understand well that part.
Well I think everyone knows that this boy is a bit crazy

 

[mcq]

The Italian comentators were talking about Yuzuru during Nathan's SP in this Gp https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x...ons-yuzu-at-the-end-of-nathan-chen-s-sp_sport
I don't understand the whole conversation, but I think they say they hope that Yuzu isn't watching Nathan's program at that moment, because they don't know what consequences would beThey mention Orser too. They talk about Yuzuru's 4lz but I didn't understand well that part.
Well I think everyone knows that this boy is a bit crazy

Hahahah, no need to worry ESP guys. Eventhough he has this image of being a bit reckless, he is, in my opinion, a sensible and reasonable person. If he just charge forward every time someone else upgrade their tech, we probably would have seen 4Lo or 4 quad by Worlds last year. I doubt we will see any major layout changes before we've seen his current layout performed clean.

 

[Lys]

The Italian comentators were talking about Yuzuru during Nathan's SP in this Gp https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x...ons-yuzu-at-the-end-of-nathan-chen-s-sp_sport
I don't understand the whole conversation, but I think they say they hope that Yuzu isn't watching Nathan's program at that moment, because they don't know what consequences would beThey mention Orser too. They talk about Yuzuru's 4lz but I didn't understand well that part.
Well I think everyone knows that this boy is a bit crazy

This is Max part (joking with Angelo):
"Don't make Hanyu see this program. I hope he is doing something else in this moment because I don't know which consequences could (watching this) bring. The first consequence could be that he goes to Orser - that luckly is here - to say "Okay, next week lutz for me too: there's him (Nathan) doing it, Jin Boyang, and I shouldn't?""

Then he goes on more seriously saying it's clear, looking at his 3lz especially in practices, that Yuzu is training for 4lz, because when he takes off "high" (with too much power), he often opens it in air/pops like he is used at having a rotation more. When he takes off "low", he struggles controlling it. It's an element (3lz) he risked to lose (his feeling towards) by training 4lz. But Plushenko said it ages ago that he (Yuzuru) would go to Korea with 4 different quads. Three he has already, let's wait and see see.

 

[Biellmann]

This is not thread for bashing Fernandez, you can go to the edge and discuss this there.


:disapp:

Sure, because everything is "bashing"

I actually wanted to say that the judges should expect more from Fernandez, bc he is the 2 time wc, but oh well. You can't talk normally with people these days without being accused of something

 

[mcq]

But Plushenko said it ages ago that he (Yuzuru) would go to Korea with 4 different quads. Three he has already, let's wait and see see.

Plushenko said this? :shocked:

 

[Lys]

Plushenko said this? :shocked:

Well last year (actually, last January) Plushenko said he would first land all 4-rotations jumps and then 4a too, but I'm not sure he gave him any time-line for it

Knowing Plushenko, I wouldn't be surprised, tho Plushenko is the one saying Yuzuru lands 4lz in practice since forever, after all XD

 

[mcq]

Well last year (actually, last January) Plushenko said he would first land all 4-rotations jumps and then 4a too, but I'm not sure he gave him any time-line for it

Knowing Plushenko, I wouldn't be surprised, tho Plushenko is the one saying Yuzuru lands 4lz in practice since forever, after all XD

Oh right, I remember this interview with Plushenko during an ice show in Japan and he said he saw with his own eyes that Yuzuru landed 4Lz and 4Lo. but I never knew that Plush himself said he would actually like to/plan to do 4 type in Korea. Oh boy, my poor heart and my poor blood pressure

 

[Lillamyrull]

Talk about 4 didn't Yuzuru one time tried for a 4A, because while crazy pulling a 4A in a Olympic program will scare everyone

 

[Marin]

Well last year (actually, last January) Plushenko said he would first land all 4-rotations jumps and then 4a too, but I'm not sure he gave him any time-line for it

Knowing Plushenko, I wouldn't be surprised, tho Plushenko is the one saying Yuzuru lands 4lz in practice since forever, after all XD

actually there are infos (from skaters, from insiders, people visiting cricket) here and there about his lz at practices ... As I said some time ago, I am even expecting 4 different quads... no surprise at all.

 

[Lys]

actually there are infos (from skaters, from insiders, people visiting cricket) here and there about his lz at practices ... As I said some time ago, I am even expecting 4 different quads... no surprise at all.

Those are more recent, tho, after he couldn't keep denying it any longer.

I think it was around last off-season (but my mind could play trick on me): Yuzu saying "Yes, I land 4lo from time to time but 4lz I landed once by chance and that's all" and Plushenko to the media: "I regularly see him landing 4lo and 4lz, no problem"

 

[mcq]

actually there are infos (from skaters, from insiders, people visiting cricket) here and there about his lz at practices ... As I said some time ago, I am even expecting 4 different quads... no surprise at all.

Lord, to be honest, at this point, nothing would surprise me anymore when it comes to Yuzuru. I would not even be surprised if he actually already has a 4F or if his future goal is a 5-quad program, at this rate. I think the only thing that would shock me now is if one day he lands a 4A.

I think it was around last off-season (but my mind could play trick on me): Yuzu saying "Yes, I land 4lo from time to time but 4lz I landed once by chance and that's all" and Plushenko to the media: "I regularly see him landing 4lo and 4lz, no problem"

Lol I remember this one too, it was during that ice show in new year I think? I think he said something that he landed 4Lz once but he thought it was a fluke (?) but 4Lo he lands regularly though he thought it was not consistent (yet) to be put in a program. But here we are the next season, 4Lo in both SP and LP

 

[Lillamyrull]

Lord, to be honest, at this point, nothing would surprise me anymore when it comes to Yuzuru. I would not even be surprised if he actually already has a 4F or if his future goal is a 5-quad program, at this rate. I think the only thing that would shock me now is if one day he lands a 4A.

No 4A before Olympic please, my nerves, my heart. Warning should then be given to everyone who watch the program, Not suitable for people with weak nerves and heart.

 

[Yatagarasu]

I am not expecting a 4A at the Olympics but post it, I would not be surprised at all if he goes there. I think he can get it too. Also remember rules will change post the OG so there will one jumping pass less. Considering that, a 4A will be singing to him!

As for the quads, I am expecting the 4Lz too for the OG, I have ever since I saw the current FS. To be honest, I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen. Plushenko definitely knows what he's talking about.

it's unbelievable he got so much lower pcs and goes than some of programs that yesterday got 87-93

True but I think it's tough comparing PCS across competitions. GOE sure, that should be very doable but PCS not so much because also as we progress in competitions they go up too. I think if he skated yesterday, and skated the exact same thing he did at SC, he would have gotten more. I mean look at Chen. That was such an empty program, it was jump skate to the next jump, compared to how much he improved for the SP. So if he got 79 (!!!!!) for the FS, Ten 86 and considering Fernandez got 92 which is close to Chan's 91, I think Hanyu would have broken 90, Chan's would have gone up too and Fernandez' would have been also a bit higher. PCS are such a mess

 

[Sorrento]

Plushenko only saw Yuzu training his quads during a couple of shows and you expect him to be in the know of Yuzu real trainings and new quads success rate? He's not his coach. Is it the anime influence?

 

[Lys]

Plushenko only saw Yuzu training his quads during a couple of shows and you expect him to be in the know of Yuzu real trainings and new quads success rate? He's not his coach. Is it the anime influence?

Please have a bit more of respect for other posters and try to understand when people are joking about a topic.

 

[Sorrento]

Please have a bit more of respect for other posters and try to understand when people are joking about a topic.

Did I quote you? Then why are you creating a conflict out of nothing? I expressed my thoughts only.