Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[liv]

I think a better indicator of the way the wind is blowing will first be NHK... but more importantly, GPF. At GPF all the horses will be in the same ring, with the same set of judges, so I will contain my ire until then.

 

[Meoima]

I think a better indicator of the way the wind is blowing will first be NHK... but more importantly, GPF. At GPF all the horses will be in the same ring, with the same set of judges, so I will contain my ire until then.

I don't have much hope actually. I think he will struggle quite a lot in the first half of the season. At GPF it will be a fest to for some skaters and it won't be easy for Yuzuru. I don't want him to peak early, but I also don't want him to struggle too much before the judges' eyes as they are willing to write him off any time.

 

[Elaine666]

I am really annoyed by the logic "they saved Hanyu in the SP he messed up, so they took it back in the LP". It's wrong. They save other of their favorites in the SP and even overscore those skaters in the LP.
And I am really annoyed, some skaters automatically get +2 and +3 GOE when they land their jumps regardless of whether they have transitions or NOT. But when Yuzuru land his jumps and got low GOE they use all the excuse "less transitions, tilt in the air". I want to slap them and tell them to watch the performances that got all +2 and +3 GOE for almost every elements. Some skaters skate like snail during step and choreo sequences and get all +2 and +3 and it's justified. What the hell is that logic? Not to mention their double standards, they punish some skaters for no direct steps before solo jump but gave +GOE for others.
I find ISU judging more and more disgusting.
No wonder Yuzuru has to upgrade layout. Even with better quality and transitions, he just gets the same as some others. At this rate I am not surprised he will even bring 4lz to competition.

I second everything letter in this sentence. Judges are grossing me out.

 

[lappo]

I second everything letter in this sentence. Judges are grossing me out.

Feel the same...time to start a petition for fair scoring of FS events? I mean, after Yuna retired only Yuzuru kept me into FS, but I'm not sure I will follow it after he retires...the scoring is so blatantly biased. My only hope for the future is Polina T, I pray for her health and really hope that she comes to seniors to teach all the ladies there how proper jumps really look like.

 

[treeloving]

All this talk about 2018 forward....it would be nice if he goes back to Nanami for his last few years (if he continues). I wonder if her health permits all the traveling required though.

Whatever the case, I just hope fans (and him) have realistic goals if he stays. I want him to put his health as a priority and as it stands, his body already has too much wear and tear.

That would be really nice, the program that Nanami gives him really make him unique and truly create his own distinguish style. But regrading the health, consider his personality if he continue I think he will always give all out and give us heart attack as usual.

 

[shiroKJ]

That would be really nice, the program that Nanami gives him really make him unique and truly create his own distinguish style. But regrading the health, consider his personality if he continue I think he will always give all out and give us heart attack as usual.

:angry1: Sigh....I don't want to face that possible reality yet.

 

[DiamondDust]

I do think Yuzuru excels more with dramatic programs. But I actually like that he doesn't only have one style (it keeps the fans at the edge of their seat about his programs unlike some others whose programs genre are expected). He's really versatile and will take on a challenge. It would be nice if he'd return to Ms. Abe for his final year of competition but it would also be nice if he sticks with Brian and TCC throughout.

Can't watch it live again but will be looking forward to NHK. Go Yuzuru!

 

[alia jackson]

And I am really annoyed, some skaters automatically get +2 and +3 GOE when they land their jumps regardless of whether they have transitions or NOT.

NHK is in Japan, his home country so we'll have a pretty good idea how things are developing though the true test will be GPF if he qualifies, when he's in one place with lucky strike and everyone else.

Reminded me of this confession on lucky strike (the new nickname )

I find ISU judging more and more disgusting. No wonder Yuzuru has to upgrade layout. Even with better quality and transitions, he just gets the same as some others. At this rate I am not surprised he will even bring 4lz to competition.

He makes all the difficult entries look so easy that the judges don't seem to be impressed anymore, even though no one else is doing them. They compare his 3A and quad qualities to his best and mark them down while they compare others to their worst and mark them up.

Feel the same...time to start a petition for fair scoring of FS events? I mean, after Yuna retired only Yuzuru kept me into FS, but I'm not sure I will follow it after he retires...the scoring is so blatantly biased.

I started following FS more closely becoz of Yuzu, and I feel so sad for him because he worked so hard to perfect his steps, transitions, difficult entry, jumps flow, spins, choreo/artistic aspects and continuously upgrade his layout risking injury and his health. He never gave up and he persevered, so much respect for him. I will cheer and follow-up on Yuzu even after he retire, but I too don't think I will follow FS again.

Gambatte Yuzu

 

[Lindacrow]

Well, we will see how he is doing in practice and hopefully all his hard work from SC to now will show in his performances!
Good Luck Yuzu!

But most importantly... Will there be a new SP costume/pants???????

 

[alia jackson]

NHK Trophy

- Website
- Schedule
- Countdown timers: practice #1, practice #2, practice #3, SP, practice #4, LP, gala

NHK promotion #1, #2 (source)

 

[Hanmgse]

My semester is ending just in time for NHK :hap93:

 

[giulia95]

It seems there are some nostalgic memories of a glorious past floating in the air now that Yuzu struggles and hardly gets full credits for his skating compared to his rivals…
Yes, Nanami would make Yuzu bloom again, a pure massive support in each and every moment , just like a warming sunlight or a shelter from the storm .

It seems JSF, which actually naively complains , has effectively learnt the lesson with Shoma.

 

[alia jackson]

His loooong legs


Yuzu banners
#1 (source), #2

Fangift exchange by Kottymarusan

Season 2016-2017 Fanarts
- Phone cover
- Drawings the swan #1, #2, #3
- Pendants Hope&Legacy and the Swan, Let's Go Crazy
- Straps and charms #1, #2
- Earrings and bracelet
- Nail art #1

 

[Yatagarasu]

No wonder Yuzuru has to upgrade layout. Even with better quality and transitions, he just gets the same as some others. At this rate I am not surprised he will even bring 4lz to competition.

He does, or you could say he gets less than others get with easier, poorer performances. Of course, if Yuzuru downgraded to what they are doing, something which he could execute in his sleep, they'd give him even less. It's called being stuck between a rock and a hard place, so of course he upgrades further. 4Lz would not be a surprise at all, we'll see how it's going to go till the end of the season but it may end up being inevitable.
And this has another consequence. I don't think it's just that the judges say, we won't give you the good scores unless you perform the best, I think they want consistency from him in order to hand them out which is very difficult with his lay-outs. So NHK is important in that way too, because the judges will grab on to the negative and then carry it onward.

Meh. I never thought I'd say it but work that home turf JSF, work it. And push behind those scenes. He's the biggest skating star of the world, no matter what some people who live in their little bubbles want to think and there's a reason for it. Protect that. There are so, so many ways considering the current state of skating to do so.

 

[alia jackson]

What I don't understand is that the other top men have not been consistent either but they were not being put on this strict standard and they were rewarded :disapp:.

Last season Yuzu achieved gold at AC, NHK, GPF, Nats and silver at SC, Worlds. He was the only man that achieve clean SP & FP not in one but two events. Also clean SP at Worlds.

Edit: I just went to check some scores
Yuzu first received 46.61 PCS when he skated the world record clean SP at Oly with 1 quad (Feb 2014).
He then got 45.50 at Worlds 2014 (even though he is the Oly/GPF champion), 43.97 at GPF 2014 and 45.28 at Worlds 2015 where he was not clean of otherwise solid skates.
His second 46.89 PCS was when he skated the world record clean SP at NHK with 2 quads (Nov 2015).

He basically have to skate perfect to achieve PCS greater than 46 even though he was Oly, World and GPF champions.

However, other top men examples 46.96, 46.58, 46.46, 46.08 were given these PCSs even when not clean within one season :shocked:

 

[giulia95]

He does, or you could say he gets less than others get with easier, poorer performances. Of course, if Yuzuru downgraded to what they are doing, something which he could execute in his sleep, they'd give him even less. It's called being stuck between a rock and a hard place, so of course he upgrades further. 4Lz would not be a surprise at all, we'll see how it's going to go till the end of the season but it may end up being inevitable.
And this has another consequence. I don't think it's just that the judges say, we won't give you the good scores unless you perform the best, I think they want consistency from him in order to hand them out which is very difficult with his lay-outs. So NHK is important in that way too, because the judges will grab on to the negative and then carry it onward.

Meh. I never thought I'd say it but work that home turf JSF, work it. And push behind those scenes. He's the biggest skating star of the world, no matter what some people who live in their little bubbles want to think and there's a reason for it. Protect that. There are so, so many ways considering the current state of skating to do so.

:agree:

It seems there’s almost an unanimous agreement among Yuzu’s fans about the reason why he has to constantly upgrade his layout to remain competitive , but why?
I wonder what makes the difference between Yuzu and Javi since they have the same team : is Spanish federation so powerful?

Unfortunately I don’t think JSF will push Yuzu behind the scenes, he’s the old one , who’ll probably retire after 2018 Olys, so he’s done. It’s a deja vu.

 

[Biellmann]

:agree:

It seems there’s almost an unanimous agreement among Yuzu’s fans about the reason why he has to constantly upgrade his layout to remain competitive , but why?
I wonder what makes the difference between Yuzu and Javi since they have the same team : is Spanish federation so powerful?

Unfortunately I don’t think JSF will push Yuzu behind the scenes, he’s the old one , who’ll probably retire after 2018 Olys, so he’s done. It’s a deja vu.

"He's the old one". He's the ONLY one. Who do they have? Uno? I think they are not blind and stupid, they should know that Uno can never replace Yuzuru and his success. And they have Sota but right now it's hard to say how his future is going to be.

Listen to these guys, at 4:09 :agree: they have a point :yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1tul6kEd8&t=250s

 

[lappo]

:agree:
Unfortunately I don’t think JSF will push Yuzu behind the scenes, he’s the old one , who’ll probably retire after 2018 Olys, so he’s done. It’s a deja vu.

I really hope JSF doesn't think like that...they have many very good skaters but they have all yet to prove themselves on the big stage and sincerely none of them is able to attract such a huge fan response worldwide, I think not even Mao (look not only in forums, but also on Youtube, even his warm ups have more views than many top skaters routines...that says a lot, me thinks). I think the entire FS world should be really grateful to Yuzuru for "bringing sexy back", he has gained hoards of new fans to the sport in a period of crisis and I don't think many of them will stay there when he retires. So they really should start to appreciate him a bit more and give him fair scoring, regardless of reputation (his or of his competitors...and then 10 in PCS? Who are they, seriously? Michelle the Kween? Strange that I didn't notice...).

 

[Leanna A]

After considering all the aspects (I can think of for several months) carefully and thoroughly, I believe the BEST way for Yuzuru to prepare for 2018 Olympics is:
Nanami Abe joining the Yuzuru’s current team (as an additional coach or just as a general assistant, etc.) with all other current things remain unchanged.

Though it is the first time I express something about the issues regarding Yuzuru’s coaches and training condition here, actually I have been placing very close attention to what has been happening for the issues. I have immense feelings and lots of thoughts in my mind. For the sake of Yuzuru, I don’t further discuss it.

Yuzuru, stay healthy! Have a joyful competition in NHK! You are the first and the only skater I love and support wholeheartedly.:luv17:

All this talk about 2018 forward....it would be nice if he goes back to Nanami for his last few years (if he continues). I wonder if her health permits all the traveling required though.

Whatever the case, I just hope fans (and him) have realistic goals if he stays. I want him to put his health as a priority and as it stands, his body already has too much wear and tear.

That would be really nice, the program that Nanami gives him really make him unique and truly create his own distinguish style. But regrading the health, consider his personality if he continue I think he will always give all out and give us heart attack as usual.

 

[Meoima]

I respect Miss Abe, but whoever thinks that it would be good for Yuzuru to come back to Miss Abe, they're delusional and have no idea about coaching at all. Sorry but I have to say this, Yuzuru outgrew Miss Abe years ago.
People need to remember that at Sendai Yuzuru only had Miss Abe and no one else to coach him properly. And people need to remember that Sendai is not the skating capital of all Japan. If Yuzuru needed top facilities inside Japan to practice, it's not Sendai, it's either at Nagoya or Osaka. And Yuzuru didn't belong to either of these groups in the first place.
You think Mao could go that far without Nagoya team behind her? Do you know they have 2 ice rinks there for their top skaters and it wasn't even enough because Nagoya is too packed with so many skaters now?
I laugh so hard at people who naively think that Yuzuru can just go back to Miss Abe and do better than this. You guys have no idea how Yuzuru has been practicing at CC, how much effort they have put in him. Yuzuru has become the Yuzuru today with the help of many coaches, specialists and choreographers in Toronto. He acknowledges their help, he knows how much he has gotten from them. As his fans, you should be more grateful for what they have done to help him.
Come back to Miss Abe? such a joke.