Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Yatagarasu]

I doubt it :noshake: they love him but anticipating that his anti-fans will claim that he is OVER scored blah blah blah

I hope he benefits as much as possible from the home inflation. Boyang, and the Chinese Federation, learned a hard lesson today. The game is not fair. So as long as the placements are correct, I don't care. He needs a very, very good wave to carry him to the GPF and Nats because people who are waiting there and who will be waiting at the World's keep getting those lucky strikes. Those who don't like him scream anyway. They are also completely irrelevant.

 

[lappo]

Well, as far as I can remember (unfortunately not so much, the first Olympics I have clear memories are the 2006), the top skaters are the benchmarks for all the rest... with that status come both the goods (lots of fan) and the bads, usually in the form of other's skaters fans screaming "overscoring; corruption; (insert country)phobics" (in Yuzuru case we also had plenty of gender remarks, don't let me started with these :disapp. So he really could jumps the best in the world and still have people that say he is overscored. What I'm pleased however is that Yuzuru is an extremely good benchmark and an extremely positive example of athlete who pushes the sport he loves to no end; look, he could have sit on his glory in 2014 and instead he is leading the world of figure skating to a new and unseen level of difficulty on the technical side, while trying to keep the artistry embedded to his program. I think he should really be praised for that (Tracy Wilson, I think, expressed the same feelings during his SC exhibition).

 

[Biellmann]

All this talk about 2018 forward....it would be nice if he goes back to Nanami for his last few years (if he continues). I wonder if her health permits all the traveling required though.

Whatever the case, I just hope fans (and him) have realistic goals if he stays. I want him to put his health as a priority and as it stands, his body already has too much wear and tear.

I was thinking the same

 

[Biellmann]

Well, as far as I can remember (unfortunately not so much, the first Olympics I have clear memories are the 2006), the top skaters are the benchmarks for all the rest... with that status come both the goods (lots of fan) and the bads, usually in the form of other's skaters fans screaming "overscoring; corruption; (insert country)phobics" (in Yuzuru case we also had plenty of gender remarks, don't let me started with these :disapp. So he really could jumps the best in the world and still have people that say he is overscored. What I'm pleased however is that Yuzuru is an extremely good benchmark and an extremely positive example of athlete who pushes the sport he loves to no end; look, he could have sit on his glory in 2014 and instead he is leading the world of figure skating to a new and unseen level of difficulty on the technical side, while trying to keep the artistry embedded to his program. I think he should really be praised for that (Tracy Wilson, I think, expressed the same feelings during his SC exhibition).

It's always like that- until a skater retires. After that, the music change and when i think about the next generation.... they will miss him

 

[lappo]

So true...the same is happening with Yuna, before she was overscored ecc and now everybody longs for a skater with her jumping technique and her musicality (Polina T save us all!!!) The same will happen with Yuzuru.

 

[Elaine666]

I dont really care about those overscoring comments just as I think the majority of skaters are overscored in both GOE and PCS nowadays:disapp:

 

[Lys]

Content has been moved by its translator to another planet.

 

[HanDomi]

Yes, I am abit angry too about people not appreciating enough Hanyu back counter 3A.

The control that he has to have on thisto pull it off with such ease is just insane. And he does that at huge speed, with big height , long distance and perfect landing

 

[Elaine666]

Yes, I had an emotional moment when I heard Yan's music at SC

 

[shiroKJ]

Speaking of GOE, a bit from ESP ITA commentary from today (during Han Yan FP Skate to Romeo&Juliet Soundtrack, MA = Max Ambesi, AD = Angelo Dolfini)

(Sorry, video quality is quite low & video is longer than necessary)

[First they speak about Han Yan difficulties in last year or so, then at around 1:05, mandatory "revival" moment]

AD: "On men's field, this soundtrack is linked to unforgettable memories"

MA: "The most beautiful memory from Nice 2012 World Championship"

AD: "Hanyu's free... a very young Hanyu..."

[Then, the GOEs part, while waiting the scores they speak about Han Yan jumps and their quality and how a skater with a great 3A has a good advantage because a 3A+GOE is worth like a so-and-so quad, around 2:00]

MA:" As Hanyu - the one who skated on this music, charming everybody in 2011/12 - has been saying since forever: with my two triple axels in second half, I've got two quads more."

AD: "Elements for him that are worth +2/+3, he is right."

MA: "But lately on evaluation for that element (3A) something inconsistent has been happenning: if someone put a spread-eagle before that, it's automatically +3 because that spread-eagle. If someone put [note: actual word is stronger: "si inventa", it does give more the sense of pulling a magic trick) an outside back-counter, it's +1."

AD: "These things happening are not right."

MA: "What's the most difficult thing? Explain it."

AD: "Without doubt doing it from a back-counter."

MA: "But why is it not appreciated?"

AD: "It's harder to understand [its difficulty]"

MA: "But judges should be prepared to recognize such things..."

AD: "I do agree."

https://vimeo.com/192273788

I'm glad we're not the only ones who think so

 

[Elaine666]

Yes, I am abit angry too about people not appreciating enough Hanyu back counter 3A.

The control that he has to have on thisto pull it off with such ease is just insane. And he does that at huge speed, with big height , long distance and perfect landing

That makes two of us. I was extremly pissed off when some skaters' 3A got awarded GOE of 2+ even 3 for nearly no entry into that jump (if we don't count one foot skating across 1/3 of the ice as a kind of entry), while Yuzu barely received GOE of 3 for the back counter entry.

 

[Fayruza]

That makes two of us. I was extremly pissed off when some skaters' 3A got awarded GOE of 2+ even 3 for nearly no entry into that jump (if we don't count one foot skating across 1/3 of the ice as a kind of entry), while Yuzu barely received GOE of 3 for the back counter entry.

Basically, I think their reasoning is: "Hanyu can jump 3A in his sleep, so he shouldn't get as much for it as the others who find it an extremely challenging jump!".

 

[mcq]

That makes two of us. I was extremly pissed off when some skaters' 3A got awarded GOE of 2+ even 3 for nearly no entry into that jump (if we don't count one foot skating across 1/3 of the ice as a kind of entry), while Yuzu barely received GOE of 3 for the back counter entry.

Don't forget his effortless and buttery landing, good flow out and great height + distance. He adds creative exit too. I guess since the 3A is not his first jump, if he botches his earlier jumps, the judges hold the GOE against him no matter how great he execute it

 

[Raomina]

Yes, I am abit angry too about people not appreciating enough Hanyu back counter 3A.

The control that he has to have on thisto pull it off with such ease is just insane. And he does that at huge speed, with big height , long distance and perfect landing

I feel like some judges have the same mentality as some posters who claim that his spread-eagle entries to his quads in the SP are 'probably easier for him' since he does it so much. He makes all the difficult entries look so easy that the judges don't seem to be impressed anymore, even though no one else is doing them. They compare his 3A and quad qualities to his best and mark them down while they compare others to their worst and mark them up.

 

[Elaine666]

I feel like some judges have the same mentality as some posters who claim that his spread-eagle entries to his quads in the SP are 'probably easier for him' since he does it so much. He makes all the difficult entries look so easy that the judges don't seem to be impressed anymore, even though no one else is doing them. They compare his 3A and quad qualities to his best and mark them down while they compare others to their worst and mark them up.

Yep, I think that is exactly what they are doing right now, not only to the 3A.

 

[firal]

I can't lie but I have really high hope/expectation for his performance at NHK. I am trying to keep it down but can't. especially when I see how others fight for landings and his jumps are so gorgeous when he is on.

When do we think he'll arrive in Japan? I hope Tuesday rather than Wednesday for jet-leg recovery.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Yep, I think that is exactly what they are doing right now, not only to the 3A.

NHK is in Japan, his home country so we'll have a pretty good idea how things are developing though the true test will be GPF if he qualifies, when he's in one place with lucky strike and everyone else. More importantly, he'll have one. I'm sure he's keeping an eye on things, including what happened today, especially in regards to the GOEs. Fingers crossed.

 

[DiamondDust]

Basically, I think their reasoning is: "Hanyu can jump 3A in his sleep, so he shouldn't get as much for it as the others who find it an extremely challenging jump!".

Urgh! I hope this is not the case. :gaah:

 

[Elaine666]

I can't lie but I have really high hope/expectation for his performance at NHK. I am trying to keep it down but can't. especially when I see how others fight for landings and his jumps are so gorgeous when he is on.

When do we think he'll arrive in Japan? I hope Tuesday rather than Wednesday for jet-leg recovery.

TBH, my expectation for NHK is relatively low. If he could manage to land at least one 4S3T in the competition, that's totally enough for me

 

[Meoima]

NHK is in Japan, his home country so we'll have a pretty good idea how things are developing though the true test will be GPF if he qualifies, when he's in one place with lucky strike and everyone else. More importantly, he'll have one. I'm sure he's keeping an eye on things, including what happened today, especially in regards to the GOEs. Fingers crossed.

I am really annoyed by the logic "they saved Hanyu in the SP he messed up, so they took it back in the LP". It's wrong. They save other of their favorites in the SP and even overscore those skaters in the LP.
And I am really annoyed, some skaters automatically get +2 and +3 GOE when they land their jumps regardless of whether they have transitions or NOT. But when Yuzuru land his jumps and got low GOE they use all the excuse "less transitions, tilt in the air". I want to slap them and tell them to watch the performances that got all +2 and +3 GOE for almost every elements. Some skaters skate like snail during step and choreo sequences and get all +2 and +3 and it's justified. What the hell is that logic? Not to mention their double standards, they punish some skaters for no direct steps before solo jump but gave +GOE for others.
I find ISU judging more and more disgusting.
No wonder Yuzuru has to upgrade layout. Even with better quality and transitions, he just gets the same as some others. At this rate I am not surprised he will even bring 4lz to competition.