Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season
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sigh...I really don't need to read anymore about how Yuzu's team might be utterly incompetent because I can't stop worrying already.........
Sorry!! Nonono, I really think they're in the best state they ever have been right now. Like I said, it was a huge lesson. We've seen Yuzu in SC and NHK and GPF, and he's made progress. Please don't worry about 4CC now because of Boston...
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Nastya was asked about her role models in FS.
She likes Anna, Yuzuru and Shoma.
Anna for her ability to gather her strenght and concentration [before comtetition].
Yuzuru for his skating and incredible jumps.
Shoma because he's so cute and his skating skills are smooth and soft.
The biggest mistake was they allowed him to take part in practice before FS knowing he has injuiry. While Javier was just going around without any jumps and saving himself Hanyu was jumping his 15th quad in the session...... And most of them were quad toes.
I remembered this. Back then I watched the practice through periscope and keep saying "stop jumping" on the screen, and I didn't even know he was hurt back then. Looking back it was just one thing after another piling up that lead to that skate and his worsened condition. I remember in his interview shortly after, Yuzu said he was surprised that he can't do well with an injured foot because previously he could still manage to skate just fine even when his foot was injured. All I could recall was my reaction to that as "Oh dear..."
I do think it is a mixture of so many things that went wrong, and it is probably useless and unwise to pinpoint and blame just one main problem that lead to that skate. Besides, it had passed for a while and crying over spilled milk up to this day is kind of pointless. They happened almost 1 year ago and I'd like to think both Yuzuru and his team has learned from it. So hopefully we will see a different outcome this year.
Yeah that was crazy. Clearly Yuzu wasn't feeling confident in his body and wanted the assurance and made a really stupid decision. Even if he were 100% healthy, that would seem a tad bit dubious thing to do. The fact that he got the official practice time wrong and had to rush warm-up probably shook him. Ideally Brian would have said something. ANA team should have stood up to Hanyu, but as Shirota-san said, they didn't. I wonder if it doesn't make more sense for Yuzu to have a conditioning person in Cricket as well, but probably (they better be) Cricket-ANA communication is better now as well. Maybe Team Brian should also have more input on warm-up strategy in relation to starting order as well... ?
The thing is, none of us know how exactly they divide the responsibility between Cricket team and ANA team. If we trace back, to go to a competition, you need to prepare so many documents, apply for them, reserve flight, confirm attendance/re-register, confirm transportation, prepare your music + CD + national anthem, pack your belongings and sports equipment + supplements + costume, etc. This is just before the competition. Someone like Yuzuru who has sponsorship and media responsibility probably need a lot more things to take note of. From my own experience, coaches are usually the one who handle all of the administrative and logistic stuff, but I would assume for Yuzu it is different; some might be handle by CC while others by ANA or JSF. One thing could be missed and it could ruin your competition, and sometimes it has nothing to do with technical or training. E.G : Misha Ge didn't get his visa on time, Samohin lost his skating boots during his flight.
Every coaching team has different ways of handling stuff. My coach actually expect their pupils to be responsible of their own dry run/practice schedule and costume, but the administration for applying for competition is all on them. For others, the arrangement could be different. We never really know the details of the dynamics in his team. For example, his personal trainer during competition is not from CC, it is Kikuchi-san? But during warm-up, Brian usually sit with him and watch. Personally, unless we know actual details about how they handled stuff there, I would not dwell so much on it.
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sigh...I really don't need to read anymore about how Yuzu's team might be utterly incompetent because I can't stop worrying already.........
But how does this make Yuzu's team sound 'utterly incompetent'?
There was a lot that was going wrong in Boston, a lot of that out of Yuzu's & his teams control, and some of that within their control. Most parties involved made mistakes of some sorts, but everyone does - which coach/team doesn't? Making mistakes doesn't mean you're 'utterly incompetent' by any means. I rather think all of them owning up to their mistakes shows that Yuzu has a great team... and they learned from it. Yuzu, Brian, Shirota and I'd wager the rest of the team too. So I really don't see a reason to be worried because of Yuzus team right now.
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I do think it is a mixture of so many things that went wrong, and it is probably useless and unwise to pinpoint and blame just one main problem that lead to that skate. Besides, it had passed for a while and crying over spilled milk up to this day is kind of pointless. They happened almost 1 year ago and I'd like to think both Yuzuru and his team has learned from it. So hopefully we will see a different outcome this year.
Personally, unless we know actual details about how they handled stuff there, I would not dwell so much on it.
Point taken, mcq
But how does this make Yuzu's team sound 'utterly incompetent'?
100% agreed here as well.
Anastasia Gubanova (2nd at JGPF in 2016) mentioned something about Yuzuru here.
Anyone who speaks Russian can kindly help translating what she is saying? Thank you
Reporter: Do you have any role models among skaters?
Anastasia: I like Anna Pogorilaya, I like Yuzuru Hanyu and Shoma Uno.
Reporter: Do they have any distinctive features you would like to learn from them?
Anastasia: Anya is really good in concentrating, I like it very much, (I like) Yuzuru Hanyu's SS, his just ... Ah! incredible jumps and Shoma Uno is just utterly cute, his skating is so soft and smooth.
Sorry for my bad English
Thank you camillo and nihil 
Anyway, Nastya skated to the swan for her SP and romeo and juliet (not the one Yuzu used though, lol) for her FS. Currently my favorite Russian girl at the minute, very lovely skating and it is good to hear that she admires Yuzuru :luv17:
Anyway, Nastya skated to the swan for her SP and romeo and juliet (not the one Yuzu used though, lol) for her FS. Currently my favorite Russian girl at the minute, very lovely skating and it is good to hear that she admires Yuzuru :luv17:
Brian's SP words "I am looking at you. You are fine because you are doing great under these circumstances" is a big part of his mental support that he provides. He has talked earlier about the crazy pressure that skaters come under to perform and how it can mess with them mentally. It is a big part of the support that I remember Yuzuru being very grateful for during Sochi, this kind of 'calmness of mind' that Brian was directly helping him with (you can see it in some Kiss and Cry moments). It's about the whole 'trust your training', it might sound easy but it really isn't and this is the help that Yuzuru has earlier expressed that he needs and is what he more importantly gets.
In an interview I remember Yuzuru expressing that he kind of knew it was all over at Boston when he had to skate 2nd, this kind of thinking - feeling of loss of control is what Brian is trying to make his skaters resilient against, and at Boston for Yuzuru obviously with the injury and all the extreme pressure it was just to much, I mean there is only so much you can do :noshake:
I think Brian is underselling how much he helps Yuzuru. For example a big deal with Yuzuru seems to be his pressure to be perfect, pressure that he mainly puts on himself and in the Kiss and Cry Brian is quite often trying to calm that pressure down and they even talked about it at Japanese nationals 2015 as well. It's all about what kind of help you specifically need Yuzuru is very strong mentally in many ways and handles certain stuff himself best - exactly like Brian used to be, which is why he recognizes himself in Yuzuru (and also knows the possible down-sides of it)
Since Worlds2016 Yuzuru seems to have gotten a better connection with his team, thanks to his English but also because I think he realized that he can ask more for help - that the team is there for him (the experience of learning all your jumps again is a big thing and he seems to have gotten a lot of support - he has said so). The whole thing with him feeling 'left out' in that article just shows that he is expressing his needs more and Brian is aware of that. Brian seems also to be happy that they have started to have that kind of important talks as before Skate Canada and has expressed that now that Yuzuru's English has improved communication has gotten better. Also Brian's talk of removing rocks at IceTalk and the fact that he admits to scolding Yuzuru sometimes at practices shows that he is a very engaged coach. Brian generally has a little bit of a habit of trying to downplay what he does (in favor of emphasizing his skaters' responsibility and maturity, which is a nice thing - he's not trying to take credit), but as soon as someone asks him a more specific question I think he reveals the amount of attention he does pay to his skaters.
No person or coach is perfect and sometimes things will go wrong. Yuzuru and Brian seems to me, and according to themselves, to have a really good connection and Tracy seems also lately to have become an important part of Yuzuru's support. The thing with mental pressure is that people can need help with very different things and in different ways - Yuzuru's pre-skating ritual with Brian for example seems to be one thing. Yuzuru also didn't seem to have any problem with expressing nervousness to Brian before (JPN nationals SP 2012 for example) I'm quite sure that we shouldn't read too much into these comments, perhaps Yuzuru needs to be better at asking for help, but during the last year it seems like this is what he has improved on already. Brian saying that Yuzuru is mentally strong and doesn't need his help in certain situations is not wrong, and it doesn't mean that he isn't helping Yuzuru with mental matters in other ways - which I think he clearly does :agree:
Sorry for long post This is just something I have thought about for quite a while
In an interview I remember Yuzuru expressing that he kind of knew it was all over at Boston when he had to skate 2nd, this kind of thinking - feeling of loss of control is what Brian is trying to make his skaters resilient against, and at Boston for Yuzuru obviously with the injury and all the extreme pressure it was just to much, I mean there is only so much you can do :noshake:
I think Brian is underselling how much he helps Yuzuru. For example a big deal with Yuzuru seems to be his pressure to be perfect, pressure that he mainly puts on himself and in the Kiss and Cry Brian is quite often trying to calm that pressure down and they even talked about it at Japanese nationals 2015 as well. It's all about what kind of help you specifically need Yuzuru is very strong mentally in many ways and handles certain stuff himself best - exactly like Brian used to be, which is why he recognizes himself in Yuzuru (and also knows the possible down-sides of it)
Since Worlds2016 Yuzuru seems to have gotten a better connection with his team, thanks to his English but also because I think he realized that he can ask more for help - that the team is there for him (the experience of learning all your jumps again is a big thing and he seems to have gotten a lot of support - he has said so). The whole thing with him feeling 'left out' in that article just shows that he is expressing his needs more and Brian is aware of that. Brian seems also to be happy that they have started to have that kind of important talks as before Skate Canada and has expressed that now that Yuzuru's English has improved communication has gotten better. Also Brian's talk of removing rocks at IceTalk and the fact that he admits to scolding Yuzuru sometimes at practices shows that he is a very engaged coach. Brian generally has a little bit of a habit of trying to downplay what he does (in favor of emphasizing his skaters' responsibility and maturity, which is a nice thing - he's not trying to take credit), but as soon as someone asks him a more specific question I think he reveals the amount of attention he does pay to his skaters.
No person or coach is perfect and sometimes things will go wrong. Yuzuru and Brian seems to me, and according to themselves, to have a really good connection and Tracy seems also lately to have become an important part of Yuzuru's support. The thing with mental pressure is that people can need help with very different things and in different ways - Yuzuru's pre-skating ritual with Brian for example seems to be one thing. Yuzuru also didn't seem to have any problem with expressing nervousness to Brian before (JPN nationals SP 2012 for example) I'm quite sure that we shouldn't read too much into these comments, perhaps Yuzuru needs to be better at asking for help, but during the last year it seems like this is what he has improved on already. Brian saying that Yuzuru is mentally strong and doesn't need his help in certain situations is not wrong, and it doesn't mean that he isn't helping Yuzuru with mental matters in other ways - which I think he clearly does :agree:
Sorry for long post
This is just something I have thought about for quite a while
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Now that I read that part again, I realized that Brian mainly talks about SEIMEI at NHK,
and his view is over 4 pages! Sadly, it's way too long for me to translate each words.
So, just a rough summary:
When Yuzu landed 4T3T successfully, even knowing there were two 3As remaining, Brain already felt like going to another planet
He had goosebumps behind his neck. Forgetting he was a coach, he wanted to go out to the rink to skate with Yuzu.(I nearly cried when I read this phrase.)
That was the best skate he had ever seen in his entire life.
He sent mails to Jeff and Shae-Lynn, asking them to see the video on Internet. He wrote to them he was thankful and it was a really wonderful night.
Brian thinks it was an honor for all the people in the arena to witness Yuzu's performance and it was also great experience for him to witness that historic moment.
He still remembers Torvill & Dean’s Bolero, not only their program but also the arena's atmosphere because he was also there in the Olympics. Brian thinks Yuzu's SEIMEI at NHK is as historic as Torvill & Dean’s Bolero.
After Yuzu's FP, some judges talked to Brian. One of them judged for the first time at the international level that night. Till that day, she had only given skaters PCS something like 7, 7, 7... So she needed great courage to press a 10 button, but she said it was impossible not to give 10s for Yuzu's performance.
Brian says that every judge wants to press a 10 button, but there are not so many chances to do so. If they can, it will be unforgettable experience for them in their lives. According to Brian, all the judges left their judge seats after Yuzu skated, with expression full of satisfaction and happiness, but they would experience another miracle at Barcelona night!
(The book is written in Brian's personal narrative.)
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Quick note, YouTube managed to remove (not mute, but totally remove) the "More" video on that Russian channel, due to the Prince copyright, so while the one from GPF is still there and not muted currently, I am not sure for how long, considering. So who wants to, might want to download it just to be safe.
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You mean this video? https://youtu.be/08m9CebBBF4
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That's the one still up. This one was removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=351G9q2Dtng
If you remember, that was NHK where he showed the 'more' sign after the SP and it spawned into a meme of a sorts. Well they didn't just mute it but removed the whole thing for some reason. It's a real shame, over 700k views too
Sadly, it's way too long for me to translate each words.
So, just a rough summary:
When Yuzu landed 4T3T successfully, even knowing there were two 3As remaining, Brain already felt like going to another planet
He had goosebumps behind his neck. Forgetting he was a coach, he wanted to go out to the rink to skate with Yuzu.(I nearly cried when I read this phrase.)
That was the best skate he had ever seen in his entire life.
He sent mails to Jeff and Shae-Lynn, asking them to see the video on Internet. He wrote to them he was thankful and it was a really wonderful night.
Brian thinks it was an honor for all the people in the arena to witness Yuzu's performance and it was also great experience for him to witness that historic moment.
He still remembers Torvill & Dean’s Bolero, not only their program but also the arena's atmosphere because he was also there in the Olympics. Brian thinks Yuzu's SEIMEI at NHK is as historic as Torvill & Dean’s Bolero.
After Yuzu's FP, some judges talked to Brian. One of them judged for the first time at the international level that night. Till that day, she had only given skaters PCS something like 7, 7, 7... So she needed great courage to press a 10 button, but she said it was impossible not to give 10s for Yuzu's performance.
Brian says that every judge wants to press a 10 button, but there are not so many chances to do so. If they can, it will be unforgettable experience for them in their lives. According to Brian, all the judges left their judge seats after Yuzu skated, with expression full of satisfaction and happiness, but they would experience another miracle at Barcelona night!
(The book is written in Brian's personal narrative.)
Thank you SO much
Thanks, daisy616. If you watch the NHK video right when Yuzu lands that 4/3, in the corner you can see Brian really jump in the air, so you know that was the big danger point of the program in his mind. We all know his history of reacting while watching, but that was one of his biggest jumps from my memory, lol. It is nice to know what he was thinking while watching him. All the reactions, from the audience, yuzu, brian, the judges... they all knew this was special.
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Luckily other videos with less views are still on https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yuzuru+hanyu+nhk+2016+spThat's the one still up. This one was removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=351G9q2Dtng
If you remember, that was NHK where he showed the 'more' sign after the SP and it spawned into a meme of a sorts. Well they didn't just mute it but removed the whole thing for some reason. It's a real shame, over 700k views too
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Anyone going to attend Worlds 2017 in Helsinki? Apparently it's been discussed many times already but unfortunately I missed it. I'm going to Helsinki and would be happy to meet up with somebody from here
Also, since this fan fest is visited many times, I can't miss the opportunity. I have some problems with getting tickets for Men Free event and Exhibition. Everything seems to be sold out. I almost tear up when I think that I won't have an opportunity to see Yuzuru's beautiful free program and majestic exhibition. Is there still any chance to get normal tickets (within ice level)? Thank you in advance. Please contact me if you can help.
Also, since this fan fest is visited many times, I can't miss the opportunity. I have some problems with getting tickets for Men Free event and Exhibition. Everything seems to be sold out. I almost tear up when I think that I won't have an opportunity to see Yuzuru's beautiful free program and majestic exhibition. Is there still any chance to get normal tickets (within ice level)? Thank you in advance. Please contact me if you can help.
The men's FS is actually sold out again. They released a bunch of new tickets a couple of days ago, but for the men's FS they're already gone again. Hard to tell if they will release any more seats before the event. They might, they might not. You can also try the For Sale section and keep an eye on this thread in the Worlds Forum.
ETA
Of course, if you're made out of money, you can always buy a VIP ticket :roll9: somebody has inquired about where those seats would be, in case you're actually interested
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Of course, if you're made out of money, you can always buy a VIP ticket :roll9: somebody has inquired about where those seats would be, in case you're actually interested
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Thank you Daisy for the translation:thumbsup:
For sure communication is still an obstacle for both Brian and Yuzu but both parties have been working hard to break the language barrier.
I don't believe Brian would intentionally left out Yuzu just because he think Yuzu is strong enough to be on his own. Maybe Brian knew Yuzu's personality and cultural background, so he want to give Yuzu's own time to gather himself? I guess many introverts work in that way? They sense supports and cares from surrounding but they need time to give out responses? Meanwhile, Brian may be under a huge pressure, too. He had experienced the similar high pressure circumstances. But, he had never experienced breaking the WR-highest point twice in a row. As a coach, maybe he needs time for himself to find the future direction.
For sure communication is still an obstacle for both Brian and Yuzu but both parties have been working hard to break the language barrier.
I don't believe Brian would intentionally left out Yuzu just because he think Yuzu is strong enough to be on his own. Maybe Brian knew Yuzu's personality and cultural background, so he want to give Yuzu's own time to gather himself? I guess many introverts work in that way? They sense supports and cares from surrounding but they need time to give out responses? Meanwhile, Brian may be under a huge pressure, too. He had experienced the similar high pressure circumstances. But, he had never experienced breaking the WR-highest point twice in a row. As a coach, maybe he needs time for himself to find the future direction.
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