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woow! I hope to see her at JGP next season.
2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating
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I am no specialist in how the calculation works, but given that Lena made the GPF this year and got gold and silver in her respective GP events, I would be very disappointed if she didn't get 2 assignments.
Im pretty sure Radionova will get 2 assignments. So as Medvedeva, Pogorilaya, Sotskova, Tsurskaya, Zagitova.
Radionova will, most likely. Currently, she is #5 russian lady based on nationals, and had pretty decent GP performance this year - there is no reason for her to be left behind.
Now Lipnitskaya and Tuktamysheva will be lucky to get 1 assignment.
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Top 12 at Senior World's automatically get 2. Top 24 Seasons Best and top 24 in World ranking have a guaranteed 1 spot. The rest of the spots are filled based off the seasons best list. With the highest getting a 2nd event.
In other words, Med, Pogo and 1 of Sots/Rad will automatically get 2 if they finish in the top 12 at Worlds.
Guaranteed 1 spot:
Zag, Polina, Liza, Lena/Sots, Leonova, and Stanislava who are all within the top 24 Seasons Best. Lena/Sots and Liza also will have a top 24 World ranking so they are safe for 1.
Three ladies max per GP, 18 spots max for the Russian ladies and right now they have 12 guaranteed spots leaving 6. Pretty confident Rad and Liza will get a second spot so that's 14/18. The rest can go unfilled unless the other 5 GP are feeling friendly. Leonova and Stanislava are also high enough for a 2nd spot but we will see.
Host spots are usually only 1 (relatively speaking). Each GP are required to select 1 from top 3 at Worlds and 1 from 4-6 at Worlds. So if all 3 Russians finish in the top 6, that may leave only 1 host spot. For example, last year with both Pogo and Rad being assigned to RC. Julia as host pick. Best case scenario, 2 finish in top 3, 1 finish outside the top 6 or 1 top 3, 1 ranked 4-6, and 1 finish 7th and below.
The other ladies outside of Sima are way low on the SB list (outside of the top 50) and would need a host spot. The highest that came off the SB list this season (I believe) initially were all in the top 40 (unless they had a WR in top 24). For some reason the Russians don't come off the sub list (visa?).
So Julia can hope for a host spot. Sima can pray she gets picked from another fed (probably not). No idea why the other girls were mentioned, not submitting Leonova won't help them or Julia/Sima, maybe can help Stanislava though, lol JMO.
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Tukt has a guaranteed spot.
Likely to be 4 spots between Alena (she is guaranteed one off the season's best unless something dramatic happens) http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtslto.htm , Julia (has to be host pick), Serafima (but season's best could be over taken by others in 3 championships still to go, however there's also several non-age eligible juniors such as Anastasiia G and Elivaveta N ahead of her), Adelina if she returns, and Stanislava (she's right on the cusp and could do with a higher score/medal at World juniors). Would have thought Elena and Elizaveta T will definitely get 2 slots otherwise the likes of Gracie Gold wouldn't get 2 either. Plus would expect Alina and Polina (interesting though if Stanislava beats her at World Juniors) to get 2.
Also it begs the question of what happens in future years. I counted 12 Russian ladies in either the top 24 season's best, or world rankings. Applying the rules you would get 3 ladies (at the world champs) who would get 6 slots assuming they came in the top 12, and 9 who would get 1 i.e. 15 in total and only 3 spare. As more junior ladies move up this is only like to get worse e.g. 15 ladies in top 24 of either list and that's 3 skaters with 2 slots and 12 with 1 which would rather defeat the whole object of the Grand Prix series as the latter would have no chance of qualifying for the final. I hope the ISU is aware of this and planning accordingly. However I can't see them being keen on 4 skaters per country, i.e. 24 slots possible, unless they did something like 15 or 18 entries per GP, and say the top 12 went through to the LP.
Also it begs the question of what happens in future years. I counted 12 Russian ladies in either the top 24 season's best, or world rankings. Applying the rules you would get 3 ladies (at the world champs) who would get 6 slots assuming they came in the top 12, and 9 who would get 1 i.e. 15 in total and only 3 spare. As more junior ladies move up this is only like to get worse e.g. 15 ladies in top 24 of either list and that's 3 skaters with 2 slots and 12 with 1 which would rather defeat the whole object of the Grand Prix series as the latter would have no chance of qualifying for the final. I hope the ISU is aware of this and planning accordingly. However I can't see them being keen on 4 skaters per country, i.e. 24 slots possible, unless they did something like 15 or 18 entries per GP, and say the top 12 went through to the LP.
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Stanislava would have to surpass Polina's SB and not just beat her at JW (or at least go higher than her current rank just to be safe). Right now, Polina is quite high, I can't see her not getting 2 even if she is beaten by Stanislava. If Stanislava can go higher on the list than Polina, she would definitely get 2 too, I don't see how she can't as she would be ahead of both Liza and Alena L who are both, also quite high. If she is still behind Liza and Alena L. but in the top 24 at seasons end she still could get 2
I wanna say skaters in the top 24 do end up with 2 but I'm way too lazy to check 
Adelina is so out of luck. It's what happens when you have no SB and a world ranking that will slip to the 70s. I think it's too late to use her comeback status but I would need to read up on that rule (ETA: I checked and it's too late). Of course she could get a spot as a host pick
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Adelina is so out of luck. It's what happens when you have no SB and a world ranking that will slip to the 70s. I think it's too late to use her comeback status but I would need to read up on that rule (ETA: I checked and it's too late). Of course she could get a spot as a host pick
If Adelina returned (which I doubt she will do), she could always do only Senior B's like Yuna did. That would at least let her skate in some weaker fields and give her a better chance of winning, because she will need to rebuild her reputation. However, she hasn't seemed fully committed to training to the level required to compete for world medals, so I doubt she will return at this point.
Stanislava would have to surpass Polina's SB and not just beat her at JW (or at least go higher than her current rank just to be safe). Right now, Polina is quite high, I can't see her not getting 2 even if she is beaten by Stanislava. If Stanislava can go higher on the list than Polina, she would definitely get 2 too, I don't see how she can't as she would be ahead of both Liza and Alena L who are both, also quite high. If she is still behind Liza and Alena L. but in the top 24 at seasons end she still could get 2
Adelina is so out of luck. It's what happens when you have no SB and a world ranking that will slip to the 70s. I think it's too late to use her comeback status but I would need to read up on that rule (ETA: I checked and it's too late). Of course she could get a spot as a host pick
Think anyone in the top 24 of both will get 2 unless the Russian Federation wants the like of Julia and Serafima to both have a slot.
Top 12 at worlds get 2 slots i.e. 24 of 72 total. Then top 24 in rankings not in top 12 at worlds. This is likely to be 13 or 14 skaters as there may be 1 or 2 who either have a brilliant one-off competition or are new to the highest ranks of FS and haven't built up their ranking points to be in the top 24 as yet e.g. Mai Mihara or Mariah Bell. After that it's top 24 in seasons best and not in top 12 at worlds or top 24 in rankings. This only affects a few skaters, typically juniors moving up that haven't had the chance to build up their ranking points, plus some of these will also get slots via being medallists at junior worlds. At this point assuming all in the top 24 rankings get 2 slots you're talking about 50 slots, plus a few skaters with either 1 or 2, then host picks and others from the season's best list.
However problem for Stanislava/the Russian Federation is that if she gets 2 slots then that's likely to make 16 with her plus the 7 we expect to get 2 i.e. Evgenia etc. through to Alina/Polina. This just leaves 2 for Alena (guaranteed one), Julia, Serafima, plus Adelina if she can somehow come back as a come back skater. However as you say it looks like she used up her chance of this last year.
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Adelina can't come back as a come back skater, she doesn't qualify. And also filling up 18 spots will depend on the other GP as well, they don't have to take 3 Russian ladies. Adelina, Julia and Serafima not getting a GP will at the end of the day, be a "their" problem and not a "her" problem (Stanislava/Leonova and anyone else in the top 24).
ETA: there is only 8 in the top 24 who are age eligible (Med, Pogo, Zag, Rad, Sotskova, Tukt, Leonova, Stanislava). So if all of them get 2, isn't that 16? So that leaves 2 spots for Julia, Serafima, & Adelina and that again depends on Russia managing to fill all 18 slots.
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Its going to be interesting who will USA and Canada invite in their GP. I dont think they will ask 3 Russians though even if they can. Since Rostelecom Cup will most likely be moved somewhere else, can Russia still get the host pick or they will give it to the replacing Fed/country?
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Why is Rostelecom being moved? Sorry if I'm out of the loop on something.
US and Canada don't have anything to lose by inviting one or two of the "lower" Russian ladies like Sima, Yulia, Alena.
Heck, even Adelina, though it sounds like she hasn't resumed serious training yet....I don't think she's going to want to compete. I don't blame her for that, though it makes me sad because she could be so great. Big jumps, great spins, excellent skating skills and mature interpretation...we could have had it alllllllllllllll.
It'd be nice to see any of them on the GP just to see their programs and how they are doing.
OK, but there's a lot more than 12 skaters end up with more than 2 slots. There's bound to be quite a bit and take between the various federations so I would imagine everyone in the top 24 of both rankings and season's best will end up with 2 slots unless a particular federation decides it would like a skater outside of these to get a slot e.g. by using one of their host picks. The 9 in contention for 2 slots are Evgenia, Anna P, Elena, Liza T, Maria, Alina, Polina, Stansislava and Alena, but then that leaves Julia and Serafima out in the cold (their problem as you say). However as you also say there's only 3 (assuming that they finish in the top 12 at worlds) that are guaranteed 2 spots, so the Russian Federation could probably give/get a slot for one or two other skaters provided that it is seen as fair all round i.e. somebody lower not getting 2 and somebody higher only getting one.
p.s. You missed out Tsurskaya - we keep editing our posts at the same time and perhaps keep coming out at cross purposes!
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Then those 9 should be in for 2. Sorry for the rest, it's a dog eat dog world
I want to see 3 from this list at SA but knowing SA, it won't happen Doping. They have already moved some events in other sports.
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Let's not speculate on that - I think there is a clear "McLaren rule" posted above. So far no matter how strongly some "friends of Russia" wanted to ban all Russian athletes from everything there are no indications that any restrictive measures are going to be introduced with Russian figure skaters and Russian figure skating including Rostelecom. Even the head of USA SU had to backtrack on what he said after he received an official inquiry from the Russian Fed.
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Not speculating. She/He asked, I answered. Do I think they will remove the event? No. Lol
WADA has a bigger issue now that apparently the data in the McLaren report was reported incorrectly as they say "typos"
The link is in Adelina's fan thread. That guy from the US who said all that is a tool.Similar threads
