Shoma Uno: 2014-2024

[synesthesia]

Interesting! Thx for posting, xeyra.

In other words, at 4CC Shoma was bloody close to maxing out his current scoring potential in the SP (as was Nathan), apart from leaving a couple of GOE-points on the table. It's difficult to estimate how much higher his PCS would be, if squeaky clean. Maybe 2-3 points? Idk

His FS is a completely different animal as he's planning to up the ante at Worlds, if the experiment at C. d. P. goes well enough and he doesn't break himself in the process. :hopelessness: Would be interesting to re-do the math after this next comp.

Nathan's and Shoma's max PCS aren't that far apart - Yuzuru has a slight advantage there. (I couldn't find your fantasy-protocol for him, btw.) It would also be interesting to see how Javier, Boyang and Patrick compare to these numbers.


Staying in the fantasy-realm: How freaking fantastic would it be, if all of them skated close to their potential at Worlds? It would probably be a giant multiple world record breaking feast with everyone's PCS shooting up to astronomical heights due to the judges being completely dumbfounded! The comp thread would explode, a plethora of GS users needing reanimating measures, Jackie Wong speechless for the first time in his career as FS analyst - it would be glorious!!! Ok, ok, coming back down to earth now... :scard8:





Change of topic:

There's a new fan-cam of the "Pooh-incident" from 4CC

https://twitter.com/juno176/status/837283726262337536

 

[xeyra]

Interesting! Thx for posting, xeyra.

In other words, at 4CC Shoma was bloody close to maxing out his current scoring potential in the SP (as was Nathan), apart from leaving a couple of GOE-points on the table. It's difficult to estimate how much higher his PCS would be, if squeaky clean. Maybe 2-3 points? Idk

His FS is a completely different animal as he's planning to up the ante at Worlds, if the experiment at C. d. P. goes well enough and he doesn't break himself in the process. :hopelessness: Would be interesting to re-do the math after this next comp.

Nathan's and Shoma's max PCS aren't that far apart - Yuzuru has a slight advantage there. (I couldn't find your fantasy-protocol for him, btw.) It would also be interesting to see how Javier, Boyang and Patrick compare to these numbers.


Staying in the fantasy-realm: How freaking fantastic would it be, if all of them skated close to their potential at Worlds? It would probably be a giant multiple world record breaking feast with everyone's PCS shooting up to astronomical heights due to the judges being completely dumbfounded! The comp thread would explode, a plethora of GS users needing reanimating measures, Jackie Wong speechless for the first time in his career as FS analyst - it would be glorious!!! Ok, ok, coming back down to earth now... :scard8:

I have now done this for all the top men: Here's the fantasy protocol for comparison. The yellow marked GOEs are the ones that are in a similar situation to Shoma: either always negative GOE or there's no precedent for it in the FS so I've added either 0 or one of the GOEs from that jump/combo from somewhere else.

Edit: And yes, we'll see what he plans to do at his next competition and I'll re-do the math for that, but I'm not yet convinced he is going to risk a 5-quad program for Worlds.

Edit 2: Also, if he does get the 4F properly in his SP, with positive GOE, his SP will shoot up and so will his scoring potential.

 

[Danibellerika]

Interesting! Thx for posting, xeyra.

In other words, at 4CC Shoma was bloody close to maxing out his current scoring potential in the SP (as was Nathan), apart from leaving a couple of GOE-points on the table. It's difficult to estimate how much higher his PCS would be, if squeaky clean. Maybe 2-3 points? Idk

His FS is a completely different animal as he's planning to up the ante at Worlds, if the experiment at C. d. P. goes well enough and he doesn't break himself in the process. :hopelessness: Would be interesting to re-do the math after this next comp.

Nathan's and Shoma's max PCS aren't that far apart - Yuzuru has a slight advantage there. (I couldn't find your fantasy-protocol for him, btw.) It would also be interesting to see how Javier, Boyang and Patrick compare to these numbers.


Staying in the fantasy-realm: How freaking fantastic would it be, if all of them skated close to their potential at Worlds? It would probably be a giant multiple world record breaking feast with everyone's PCS shooting up to astronomical heights due to the judges being completely dumbfounded! The comp thread would explode, a plethora of GS users needing reanimating measures, Jackie Wong speechless for the first time in his career as FS analyst - it would be glorious!!! Ok, ok, coming back down to earth now... :scard8:





Change of topic:

There's a new fan-cam of the "Pooh-incident" from 4CC

https://twitter.com/juno176/status/837283726262337536

We must #ProtectThisChild

If everybody is clean at worlds you'd have oooone happy camper over here!!! Though I mostly want it for Yuzu and Shoma. :hap93: I've never flown to a sports competition before. I've never even been to Europe and Shoma is a big reason why I'm going. I want to see him at his best!

 

[synesthesia]

We must #ProtectThisChild

If everybody is clean at worlds you'd have oooone happy camper over here!!! Though I mostly want it for Yuzu and Shoma. :hap93: I've never flown to a sports competition before. I've never even been to Europe and Shoma is a big reason why I'm going. I want to see him at his best!

I'm darn jealous. No chance for me to go to Worlds. *sniffle* Please cheer for me as well, ok? Oh, and welcome to Europe. Are you going to stay a bit longer and travel to other places?

 

[xeyra]

Change of topic:

There's a new fan-cam of the "Pooh-incident" from 4CC

https://twitter.com/juno176/status/837283726262337536

Poor Shoma, traumatized for life.

 

[MaiKatze]

There's a new fan-cam of the "Pooh-incident" from 4CC

https://twitter.com/juno176/status/837283726262337536

Kamelle! Strüßjer!

(Sorry, that only makes sense if you come from a certain part of Germany, *lol*)

 

[synesthesia]

Kamelle! Strüßjer!

(Sorry, that only makes sense if you come from a certain part of Germany, *lol*)

Helau und Alaaf!

Seems we're roughly from the same shores. It's slightly north of Rheinland for me though. Aber Karneval wird hier auch gefeiert.

 

[4everchan]

Interesting! Thx for posting, xeyra.

In other words, at 4CC Shoma was bloody close to maxing out his current scoring potential in the SP (as was Nathan), apart from leaving a couple of GOE-points on the table. It's difficult to estimate how much higher his PCS would be, if squeaky clean. Maybe 2-3 points? Idk

His FS is a completely different animal as he's planning to up the ante at Worlds, if the experiment at C. d. P. goes well enough and he doesn't break himself in the process. :hopelessness: Would be interesting to re-do the math after this next comp.

Nathan's and Shoma's max PCS aren't that far apart - Yuzuru has a slight advantage there. (I couldn't find your fantasy-protocol for him, btw.) It would also be interesting to see how Javier, Boyang and Patrick compare to these numbers.


Staying in the fantasy-realm: How freaking fantastic would it be, if all of them skated close to their potential at Worlds? It would probably be a giant multiple world record breaking feast with everyone's PCS shooting up to astronomical heights due to the judges being completely dumbfounded! The comp thread would explode, a plethora of GS users needing reanimating measures, Jackie Wong speechless for the first time in his career as FS analyst - it would be glorious!!! Ok, ok, coming back down to earth now... :scard8:





Change of topic:

There's a new fan-cam of the "Pooh-incident" from 4CC

https://twitter.com/juno176/status/837283726262337536

i see yuzu's fans are always trying to intimidate shomakun


HAHAHA just kidding but this is just hilarious!!!!

 

[4everchan]

so many German fans of Shoma Warum? why is he special for you guys? It's not like there that many Germans on GS ? or maybe i am wrong

 

[synesthesia]

It's not like there that many Germans on GS ? or maybe i am wrong

Thought so too at first, but now that I've been around here for a while I've come across quite a few German GS members. Haven't directly communicated with most of them though, so I don't know who their faves are.

so many German fans of Shoma Warum? why is he special for you guys?

Back to your initial question: it's probably coincidence?

I'm a big Dai fan (he's my all-time fav - hard to guess, I know *that's why I'll never let him leave to rejoin your harem again* ) and Shoma was called "little Daisuke" in his junior days, because he's such a big fanboy and that influence was quite visible back then. It still is, but to a much lesser extent, because Shoma's artistry has matured a lot and he has developed his own trademark style by now obviously. But they share many of the qualities that I love the most about FS, like their innate musicality, their sort of organic style of skating/movement, emotional connection/full commitment to their programs, placing high value on the performance/artistic aspect of skating, essentially being pretty complete allrounders... :luv17:

I find many of those qualities in other current skaters as well. I'm equally infatuated with Deniss Vasiljevs' and Joshua Farris' skating for example. (I'm also a fan of several other skaters, like Denis Ten, Misha Ge etc. And I've recently grown to appreciate *drumroll* Patrick. *lol*) They all have their unique styles and strengths of course, but the shared pattern is that they're often labeled musical/artistic skaters, I guess? I don't think that preference is connected to my nationality though, so this is probably not an incredibly satisfying answer.

 

[Arriba627]

Change of topic:

There's a new fan-cam of the "Pooh-incident" from 4CC

https://twitter.com/juno176/status/837283726262337536

Shoma was called "little Daisuke" in his junior days, because he's such a big fanboy and that influence was quite visible back then. It still is, but to a much lesser extent, because Shoma's artistry has matured a lot and he has developed his own trademark style by now obviously. But they still share many of the qualities that I love the most about FS, like their inherent musicality, their sort of organic style of skating/movement, emotional connection/full commitment to their programs, placing high value on the performance/artistic aspect of skating, essentially being pretty complete allrounders...

Oh my gosh, I love the Pooh fan cam! Not sure which I love more, Shoma's cute smile or that shirt. The shirt just sparkles and is so gorgeous. I'm sure Shoma was just like Nathan in that he was ready for the Pooh bombardment, although I don't think he thought he was going to get hit in the head...I am wondering at this point how many Spider-Man plushies Jin has. I think he received 3 at Sk Amer.

ETA -- Love how the Bing translator translated the caption with the Pooh avalanche.
I'm Polish, looked really the face I thought I was laughing when I saw the big. With careful I'm flinger babe I w. #4ContsFigure What??????!!!!

I think Shoma's style is SO different from Dai's now. I am so glad he had Dai to serve as his inspiration. In fact, I think I remember Coach Fluffy saying that she would tell Shoma to do something, and he would think about how it would look if Dai did it, or how would Dai do it...I also love when Dai interviews Shoma. I feel like he is really able to get him to relax and open up and talk more freely. (Of course what do I know?! I don't understand a word they're saying. ) But that's how it looks to me. Definitely looked that way at Japanese Nationals.

 

[4everchan]

Thought so too at first, but now that I've been around here for a while I've come across quite a few German GS members. Haven't directly communicated with most of them though, so I don't know who their faves are.




Back to your initial question: it's probably coincidence?

I'm a big Dai fan (he's my all-time fav - hard to guess, I know *that's why I'll never let him leave to rejoin your harem again* ) and Shoma was called "little Daisuke" in his junior days, because he's such a big fanboy and that influence was quite visible back then. It still is, but to a much lesser extent, because Shoma's artistry has matured a lot and he has developed his own trademark style by now obviously. But they still share many of the qualities that I love the most about FS, like their inherent musicality, their sort of organic style of skating/movement, emotional connection/full commitment to their programs, placing high value on the performance/artistic aspect of skating, essentially being pretty complete allrounders... :luv17:

I find many of those qualities in other current skaters as well. I'm equally infatuated with Deniss Vasiljevs' and Joshua Farris' skating for example. (I'm also a fan of several other skaters, like Denis Ten, Misha Ge etc. And I've recently grown to appreciate *drumroll* Patrick. *lol*) They all have their unique styles and strengths of course, but the shared pattern is that they're often labeled musical/artistic skaters, I guess? I don't think that preference is connected to my nationality though, so this is probably not an incredibly satisfying answer.

glad that you have discovered him.... i always loved patrick... but seeing him at nationals .. OMG.... yeah.... he is indeed special and i wish people realized what he has done for the sport... but you know.. to each his own and yes... happy you now appreciate him.

 

[4everchan]

Oh my gosh, I love the Pooh fan cam! Not sure which I love more, Shoma's cute smile or that shirt. The shirt just sparkles and is so gorgeous. I'm sure Shoma was just like Nathan in that he was ready for the Pooh bombardment, although I don't think he thought he was going to get hit in the head...I am wondering at this point how many Spider-Man plushies Jin has. I think he received 3 at Sk Amer.

ETA -- Love how the Bing translator translated the caption with the Pooh avalanche.
I'm Polish, looked really the face I thought I was laughing when I saw the big. With careful I'm flinger babe I w. #4ContsFigure What??????!!!!

I think Shoma's style is SO different from Dai's now. I am so glad he had Dai to serve as his inspiration. In fact, I think I remember Coach Fluffy saying that she would tell Shoma to do something, and he would think about how it would look if Dai did it, or how would Dai do it...I also love when Dai interviews Shoma. I feel like he is really able to get him to relax and open up and talk more freely. (Of course what do I know?! I don't understand a word they're saying. ) But that's how it looks to me. Definitely looked that way at Japanese Nationals.

i think i am starting to like Shoma now because he is starting to develop into his own... i loved Dai because he was Dai... and I am starting to like Shoma because he is becoming himself.

 

[Arriba627]

glad that you have discovered him.... i always loved patrick... but seeing him at nationals .. OMG.... yeah.... he is indeed special and i wish people realized what he has done for the sport... but you know.. to each his own and yes... happy you now appreciate him.

I just watched (again!) the men's SP and FS from 4CC. The jumps weren't there so much for Patrick, but boy his skating is beautiful. His ice coverage is amazing. It was fun to see the final flight of skaters again!

Shoma has such a smooth style, in fact he was so funny this summer when he tried to do Sat. Night Fever with Jason in an ice show. He just couldn't seem to get the right movements. It was almost like the ballet version of SNF!

 

[Danibellerika]

I'm darn jealous. No chance for me to go to Worlds. *sniffle* Please cheer for me as well, ok? Oh, and welcome to Europe. Are you going to stay a bit longer and travel to other places?

I certainly will cheer extra hard! Thank you for the welcome! I'm going to PyeongChang next year too so it's like skating is letting me see new places. I've been to Japan several times (including this past January) but never South Korea so I'm getting excited!

 

[synesthesia]

I think Shoma's style is SO different from Dai's now. I am so glad he had Dai to serve as his inspiration. In fact, I think I remember Coach Fluffy saying that she would tell Shoma to do something, and he would think about how it would look if Dai did it, or how would Dai do it...

Yes, he has grown so much, hasn't he? It's hard to compare their overall styles, because Dai covered such a vast variety of styles during his long career that there isn't that one type of program, that would define him. He was ever changing. And Shoma has started to branch out as well lately. Rather than many concrete characteristics, some of their general skating-related qualities and values (esp. the ones I listed above) are what primarily connects them imo.


Do you remember what I said about Shoma in Deniss' FF? It's the little reminiscent flourishes wherein the influence is coming through in a more tangible way in my eyes. Like the classic "head-roll":

https://youtu.be/Ut5E027T7bs?t=138
https://youtu.be/q1dgZtNzVvw?t=154


I think, the "similarities" are most pronounced when you compare their softer, lyrical programs. I find them mainly in the head and arm movements, the way they are flying over the ice with abandon during the most passionate sections of the music and of course in the intensity with which they are performing in general :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q345hTFJYAI



And I should have mentioned that, while I liked him since his junior days, I wasn't fully on the Shoma bandwagon until he came into his own. The Dai comparisons just brought him to my attention back in the day. I'm not interested in finding a Dai-replacement (just to clarify in case my previous post made it sound that way ) - no skater can ever replace another anyway and being a near copy of sb. isn't compelling in my book. Dai himself would constantly encourage Shoma to take inspiration from other sources/performers as well, because he was concerned he wouldn't develop his individuality in terms of on-ice expression enough, I guess. (Shoma had a very long phase when he wouldn't watch anyone else's skates, but Dai's to base his own performances on.)


Fast forward to the present - while he had always been a gifted and engaging performer - he has blossomed tremendously over the last two seasons. He's certainly very much his own skater now with his unique signature traits and I love him for it! And knowing his ambitious nature he's not going to stop there. He seems to be fiercely determined to constantly improve every aspect of his skating, including his expressive range. Said this before, say it again: his potential is through the roof! (I'm gonna stop now before I'm beginning to endlessly repeat myself. )

I also love when Dai interviews Shoma. I feel like he is really able to get him to relax and open up and talk more freely. (Of course what do I know?! I don't understand a word they're saying. ) But that's how it looks to me. Definitely looked that way at Japanese Nationals.

I think so too. There are translations for the two more in depth interviews from last year:

Pre-Worlds 2016
http://shoma-uno.tumblr.com/post/143430302214/daisuke-and-shomas-pre-worlds-interview-on-our

Pre-Nationals 2016
http://shoma-uno.tumblr.com/post/154652958537/1218-shomas-pre-nationals-interview-with-daisuke

 

[da96103]

So Shoma adding 4S? He is trying to out-nathan Nathan.

 

[Arriba627]

https://youtu.be/Ut5E027T7bs?t=138
https://youtu.be/q1dgZtNzVvw?t=154

Fast forward to the present - while he had always been a gifted and engaging performer - he has blossomed tremendously over the last two seasons. He's certainly very much his own skater now with his unique signature traits and I love him for it! And knowing his ambitious nature he's not going to stop there. He seems to be fiercely determined to constantly improve every aspect of his skating, including his expressive range. Said this before, say it again: his potential is through the roof! (I'm gonna stop now before I'm beginning to endlessly repeat myself. )

Wow -- that head roll is uncanny! Almost looks like the same person. Shoma is a lucky guy to have Uncle Dai as such a great senpai. I love when they get together. It looks like a bowing contest! :luv17: There certainly will never be a Dai replacement. I can't help but think that as Shoma has started to mature, he has learned the importance of observing other skaters. I think that's one huge positive of being in all those ice shows.

One thing that always amazes me is the number of choreographers Dai used over the years. And I'm glad Shoma is starting to branch out a little in that direction. It always makes me smile when people ask Shoma what he needs to improve on and he says "everything". He's so driven, which I think you have to be at that level.

That 4CC SP video is fast becoming one of my faves. https://youtu.be/q1dgZtNzVvw?t=300 To see his happiness is so fun. I think we need to get Coach Fluffy back to her pink coat. The one she's wearing there looks like she has a ruffled grouse on her shoulders! And Shoma looks like he's trying not to smile too much. Maybe you're not humble if you smile? So funny.

Yes, there are couple of good tumblr accounts with translations, thank goodness. It would be great to understand things in real time, but I always appreciate all the efforts of others to keep us informed.

 

[Arriba627]

So Shoma adding 4S? He is trying to out-nathan Nathan.

We'll see how this goes at the Luxembourg competition. I still don't like it that Shoma thinks he can beat Nathan at his own game. Those tiny hips of Nathan's give him a jumping advantage.

 

[liv]

I do not like it either, but it seems he is fearless about adding those quads. Did he not say before that he would never do a 4s? Well, he obviously is successful enough to try, or wants the BV the 4loop and 4s give him.... and his program is oodles and oodles better than Nathan's. Maybe he wants to ensure that everyone remembers that he has 4 different quads too because right now everyone is so focused on Nathan.